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Aitikin
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 Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 7:40 am Post subject: Zap2it ruins my plans for a mythbox |
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So Zap2it Labs announced <a href="http://labs.zap2it.com/ztvws/ztvws_login/1,1059,TMS01-1,00.html">the end of their support</a> on the first of September. So now, MythTV no longer has the availability of a central service so now we need to have web screaping. I have no clue how to do this and was wondering if a fellow Myth user would be willing to post one they wrote with instructions on how to make it work for any location? If so, it'd be much appreciated.
As a side note, perhaps a warning should be put at the end of the MythTV emerge process pointing this out.
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Hobbes-X
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| Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 8:34 pm Post subject: |
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I'm not aware of any web scrapers for the US that are a drop-in replacement for DataDirect- the best place to keep an eye out for solutions would probably be the Myth Users' list, where there's an enormous thread currently covering the subject.
Isacc (the head Myth developer) and others seem to be working to provide data through TMS for myth uses, but there haven't been any details announced as to if it will be a pay service, free, or whatnot. (See: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/275533#275533, in that same thread)
Right now, the message from the devs seems to be "don't panic", so I'd imagine an official solution appears relatively soon. |
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Hobbes-X
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| Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 4:26 pm Post subject: |
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And here's the first official announcement, in case you hadn't seen it yet:
| Quote: | Greetings from the newly-formed team at Easy TV Data,
This organization was formed by members of various software projects in response to the announcement from Zap2it Labs that they will be discontinuing the free TV listings service that they have been providing to the non-commercial free and open source communities for the last 3+ years.
We know that many of you are waiting on the edge of your seats to find out what's going on behind the scenes here, and we're just as excited to tell you, but we can't give you many details while we are still involved in negotiations. We can, however, let you know that we are actively working on a solution that will provide what we hope will be a smooth transition away from Zap2it Labs by the September 1 deadline. We will release more details as soon as we are able to do so, so please keep an eye on http://easytvdata.org/ for updates.
In the mean time, we are in need of a good lawyer who is familiar with business contracts and federal nonprofit law (preferably someone willing to work pro bono, at least initially). We are also looking for a good accountant (we are registered in Washington State) to help with any eventual financial/tax paperwork. If you are qualified and willing to help, please contact us at http://easytvdata.org/contact.php .
Thanks for sticking with us,
The Easy TV Data Board:
Isaac Richards, Chairman (MythTV)
Robert Eden (XMLTV)
Daniel Kristjansson (MythTV)
Kevin Odorczyk (MacProgGuide)
Chris Petersen (Mythtv) |
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| Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 1:03 pm Post subject: |
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See http://www.schedulesdirect.com
It's going to be a pay service, which doesn't bother me much... they are only accepting payment through paypal.
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| Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 1:05 pm Post subject: |
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| I hope they make it so you can have separate digital and analog lineups using the same lineup. Right now I have to use two accounts to do this, but I certainly wouldn't want to pay twice as much! |
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Aitikin
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| Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 5:20 am Post subject: |
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Am I the only one who is slightly bugged by the fact that this used to be a situation where a Mythbox was an initial fee (cost of building and time it takes to build) and only an initial fee. It appealed to me greatly over a Tivo or anything of the sort because of this factor. Now it seems I'm going to be paying half as much for the consistent service and twice as much on the box itself. I'm just a very slight bit bitter about the fact that I'm just about to get my system totally and completely up and running and this news comes out. 
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| Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 4:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Aitikin wrote: | | Am I the only one who is slightly bugged by the fact that this used to be a situation where a Mythbox was an initial fee (cost of building and time it takes to build) and only an initial fee. It appealed to me greatly over a Tivo or anything of the sort because of this factor. Now it seems I'm going to be paying half as much for the consistent service and twice as much on the box itself. I'm just a very slight bit bitter about the fact that I'm just about to get my system totally and completely up and running and this news comes out. |
Well...obviously everyone would rather not pay to be able to have two weeks of reliable listings. The current situation however is that this data, well organized by all the thousands of markets, is only available from two sources right now...TVGuide (Gemstar) or TMS...period. The reality is that the stations themselves would probably like the listings to be given out for free, as it's really just advertising for them. I believe that many (if not all) of them, actually have to pay TMS to carry their data. However the massive undertaking of all those stations and markets getting together to do everything that TMS is doing themselves simply doesn't gain them enough to bother.
Given that situation, the best we can hope for is to buy listings from a non-profit for as little as they can get away with charging...and that's what schedules direct is doing for us. If they reach their target of $20 a year, personally I think that's pretty awesome given the quality of the TMS listing data...trivial even.
The only options right now are to either do without listing data by depending on EIT or something else that's not very good, or to pay. I'll definitely opt to pay...and the more subscribers they get, the better the chances of the price dropping.
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tld
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| Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 4:46 pm Post subject: |
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Let's also not forget that there are countless reasons to use MythTV aside from free listings. Mine is used for only digital OTA ATSC with three tuners and 1 TB on the backend (and more if I want to expand). Not to mention having direct access to all the video files...MythVideo...mythweb (I love my mythweb)...etc.etc.etc. How would I ever get anything like that with Tivo?
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| Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 5:48 pm Post subject: |
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| tld wrote: | Let's also not forget that there are countless reasons to use MythTV aside from free listings. Mine is used for only digital OTA ATSC with three tuners and 1 TB on the backend (and more if I want to expand). Not to mention having direct access to all the video files...MythVideo...mythweb (I love my mythweb)...etc.etc.etc. How would I ever get anything like that with Tivo?
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Because...um...TiVo has features like that (web interface, ability to transfer videos to computers, ability to transfer files from computers to tivo, etc) in more recent boxes? :X
Don't get me wrong, I've run MythTV in the past and liked it - I had plans to run it again until I heard about Zap2it dying...but I think with the pain I have to put in to get it working *somewhat* well, AND the fact that I'd have to upgrade my tv cards to HD cards to get HiDef programming...Tivo just looks better.
I will be setting up MythTV again, but it will be for dumping videos on it and accessing them for my HDTV easily and as a general fileserver...and I will be purchasing the new lighter TiVo for HDTV and probably upgrade the HDD to handle recording TV. |
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Nicias
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| Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 2:22 am Post subject: |
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| Any news on if and when the ebuilds will be updated to use schedulesdirect? |
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Hobbes-X
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| Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 8:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Nicias wrote: | | Any news on if and when the ebuilds will be updated to use schedulesdirect? |
The patch was only added to myth's svn three days ago- and it looks like it hasn't been applied yet. There's a version of the ticket backported for the fixes branch though, so it should make it to both the 0.20 and 0.21 ebuilds once it is applied. |
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| Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 8:40 pm Post subject: |
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| RoundsToZero wrote: | | I hope they make it so you can have separate digital and analog lineups using the same lineup. Right now I have to use two accounts to do this, but I certainly wouldn't want to pay twice as much! |
From the myth ticket #3842:
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The updated version of the patch for the trunk adds basic caching of the DD downloaded data. The current patch creates the cache files based on the date, I plan to change this to create unique files per mythfilldatabase run. This caching makes multiple DD based lineup updates per run more efficient.
You can create two MythTV "Video Sources" with the same DataDirect? based grabber, the same login info, and the same lineup, but set up two different MythTV channel lineups (left as an exercise for the reader for now). As long as the DataDirect? lineup contains all the channels contained in the two or more MythTV lineups, "mythfilldatabase --remove-new-channels" will download the data once and then fill in the listings for all your MythTV lineups while not messing up any of your mythtv channel lineups.
So what's the downside? Well if any new channels are added upstream they will not be automatically added to your lineup, also the "Fetch channels from listings source" button in mythtv-setup will fetch all the channels on a shared analog+digital DataDirect? source, including the digital ones you probably can't tune. You will have to delete channels in mythtv-setup's Channel Editor which don't belong; or, configure the DataDirect? lineup editor with just the analog channels before setting up an analog card, and then adding back the digital channels before doing anything with the digital cards.
Although most of my testing has been with Schedules Direct, when speaking of DataDirect? in this comment I am referring to both Schedules Direct and TMS Labs.
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So yes, looks like multiple listing sets based on the same lineup will be possible- nice for me too, since I'm also running both analog/digital capture with different channels available. |
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| Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 5:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Hobbes-X wrote: | | The patch was only added to myth's svn three days ago- and it looks like it hasn't been applied yet. There's a version of the ticket backported for the fixes branch though, so it should make it to both the 0.20 and 0.21 ebuilds once it is applied. |
I've been curious as to just how complex those changes would be for 0.20.1, and whether it would just require a patch, or upgrading to a higher SVN. I've been sort of hoping it wouldn't be the latter, at least if that meant going to a ~x86 version due to the last minute nature of all this. Looking at that patch for 3842, it appears to be pretty simple except for some overlap with the XMLTV changes back-ported here:
http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/1777
...at least in the libs/libmythtv/videosource.cpp file. That complicates things a bit. Actually it looks like a patch that would work against the current stable SVN 13344 wouldn't be too tough.
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| Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 6:31 pm Post subject: |
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My mistake...I hadn't noticed that media-tv/mythtv-0.20.1_p14146 which includes those XMLTV changes is now marked stable.
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| Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 5:02 am Post subject: |
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Just FYI...I've been looking at the patches listed for the fixes branch for ticket 3842:
http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/3842
Note that I haven't compiled or actually tried any of them, but I was curious which patches could at least be applied cleanly to the current stable media-tv/mythtv-0.20.1_p14146 ebuild.
The 3842-fixes-v3.patch patch applies against it with no errors.
The 3842-fixes-v4.patch, which has the latest filldata.cpp changes in svn, requires the changes I mention above for ticket 1777. What I found however, is that the mythfilldatabase_capabilities_backport.2.diff on ticket 1777 (the backport for the fixes branch) appears to apply the appropriate changes to filldata.cpp, but with some differences in formatting (with some { characters are at the end of lines rather than on the next line) which prevent 3842-fixes-v4.patch from applying correctly. I was actually able to make a patch file with the changes in mythfilldatabase_capabilities_backport.2.diff that corrects this. I believe those newer changes in filldata.cpp are only for users of XMLTV anyway.
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| Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2007 5:04 pm Post subject: |
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Cool...I see that 0.20.2 is in portage, although it's still hard masked:
| Code: | # Doug Goldstein <cardoe@gentoo.org> (22 Aug 2007)
# MythTV 0.20.2 pre-release, masked due to ABI
# change that requires plugin rebuild |
...so I guess we're not too far from being able to upgrade.
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| Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 6:44 pm Post subject: |
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I decided to try the 0.20.2 versions today. I usually avoid package.unmask, but decided to go ahead since it appeared that the masking was only due to the need to recompile plugins.
In my case the only plugins I'm using are mythvideo and mythdvd. I unmasked the 0.20.2 version of everything I'm using (mythtv, mythtv-themes, mythvideo, and mythdvd) and upgraded my frontend and backend. Since I was upgrading plugins, I didn't have to force a recompile of anything. All seems to work just fine.
Next I migrated to my new Schedules Direct lineup. I set up a lineup there that was identical to my labs.zap2it.com lineup. Then in mythtv-setup on the backend I went into my video source, changed the grabber type to the new type for schedules direct with the correct login and password, clicked Retrieve Lineups and then Finish.
I then manually ran mythfilldatabase --no-delete which connected with no problem and ran without errors. I still haven't given that a good test yet though as my mythfilldatabase had already run against zap2it today, so this run didn't retrieve anything new. I'll have to double check that tomorrow.
Great stuff...kudos to SD, the mythtv devs, and to Doug Goldstein for getting the pre-release ebuilds out so quick.
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| Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 6:02 pm Post subject: |
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| tld wrote: |
Great stuff...kudos to SD, the mythtv devs, and to Doug Goldstein for getting the pre-release ebuilds out so quick.
Tom |
No kidding! Thanks Doug, you had the ebuild out before I got through to the announcement on the myth-dev list  |
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| Yeah, everything working great here. Unmasked and updated mythtv to 20.2, signed up for schedules direct and everything is ready to go for the fall TV season with time to spare and with no problems at all. Many thanks to everyone involved, especially the Gentoo MythTV devs. You guys are awsome. |
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| Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 10:06 pm Post subject: |
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Forgive the question. I don't have a mythtv box yet (hopefully soon).
Can timed records be set manually, like a VCR?
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| AaronPPC wrote: | Forgive the question. I don't have a mythtv box yet (hopefully soon).
Can timed records be set manually, like a VCR? |
Absolutely. You can do it straight in mythfrontend or even through your browser via MythWeb. |
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| Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 10:24 pm Post subject: |
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| AaronPPC wrote: | Forgive the question. I don't have a mythtv box yet (hopefully soon).
Can timed records be set manually, like a VCR? |
Yep- You can schedule recordings based on the channel, date, and time. |
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| Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 10:53 pm Post subject: |
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Not to mention scheduling of any kind in a browser via mythweb. I'm spoiled for that. I almost never schedule anything at the TV anymore.
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| Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 4:19 am Post subject: |
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Thanks, that is what I assumed. I'm still doing research but, every time I think I know what hardware I need, I find out I'm wrong and the price usually goes up. 
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| Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 3:39 pm Post subject: Does 20.2 fix the old mythweather issue as well (URL change) |
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| Does the 20.2 masked ebuild resolve the older mythweather URL change issue as well? |
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