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logrusx
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 Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2025 3:48 pm Post subject: [firefox] no more (easy) search in Gentoo Wiki? |
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I'm not sure when it happened but I'm using Firefox 137.0.1 and I used to start typing wiki... and a suggestion "search in Gentoo wiki" would appear and I could select it with the arrow keys. I remember I added it as a search provider clicking on a button in the address bar suggestions.
Now it's changed, I have to start typing the name of the provider, which is alright, but it wants me to click it with the mouse instead of selecting it with the arrows?!
Does somebody know if this is configurable or the idiots at Mozilla did it just like that? I'm mad about that and I'm waiting for the mail with registration link to file a bug.
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| Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2025 5:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | typing wiki... and a suggestion "search in Gentoo wiki" |
I assume you mean the address/urlbar in firefox?
I do have 137.0.1 and clean my cookies etc. every closure of firefox. So my behavior may be different.
I do not get a suggestion since I do not have this option enabled (about:preferences#search -> about:preferences#search).
But, while visiting the gentoo wiki and then entering some string into the addressbar, I do get a suggestion at the bottom of the list "Add search engine (gentoo wiki)".
Maybe this is something you did and now it is gone?
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| Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2025 6:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Banana wrote: | | Quote: | | typing wiki... and a suggestion "search in Gentoo wiki" |
I assume you mean the address/urlbar in firefox? |
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| Banana wrote: | I do have 137.0.1 and clean my cookies etc. every closure of firefox. So my behavior may be different.
I do not get a suggestion since I do not have this option enabled (about:preferences#search -> about:preferences#search).
But, while visiting the gentoo wiki and then entering some string into the addressbar, I do get a suggestion at the bottom of the list "Add search engine (gentoo wiki)".
Maybe this is something you did and now it is gone? |
No. I guess I don't have it because I already did it. When I start typing the name of a search provider (was url before but that doesn't matter), there's an entry in the suggestions "search with <the name of the provider>". Selecting this would redirect the search term to in this case Gentoo Wiki. Or Wikipedia, Google or something else if you selected it. It's not selectable with arrow keys anymore. Only clickable with the mouse. Was selectable in the past. If that's hard-coded, it's idiotic to force you to take your hand off of the keyboard, grab the mouse, move it, click and the put your hand back on the keyboard.
That's what my question is, is this hard-coded or configurable behavior. Sine Firefox ebuild maintainers have answered my Firefox questions before here, I hoped they could shed some light on it.
EDIT: I now checked some Release Notes. Those idiots have "modernized" the address bar. Meaning they have screwed it. Mozilla has indeed turned into for profit arrogant corporation.
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| Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2025 7:00 pm Post subject: |
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After a quick test with 'firefox-bin-137.0.1' I can say that it does allow me to toggle between the search providers ("this time search with"), but I don't generally use the browser and have no ideas on what could be blocking it.
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| Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2025 7:06 pm Post subject: |
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| I finally found it! This crap drove me crazy. It's the tab button now! The idiots at Mozilla are hilarious. |
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| Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2025 7:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Banana wrote: |
But, while visiting the gentoo wiki and then entering some string into the addressbar, I do get a suggestion at the bottom of the list "Add search engine (gentoo wiki)".
Maybe this is something you did and now it is gone? |
Actually that was it. I finally figured out it could be activated with TAB. I didn't understand you the first time around, because in the past there was an option to add the current site as a search provider and I thought you were talking about that. It appeared at the bottom and I think it had the bookmark icon, along with other actions. Now they cleaned it up and what's worse I don't see how you can add custom providers. There are no such options, only to remove the ones you already have.
Also now if you try that on the forums, it will not use the forum search engine but Google and it will also pass a broken link. Go figure what the logic is.
EDIT: and it won't actually search the forums! It would search the base domain! Why did those idiots break something that worked?!
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| logrusx wrote: | | Why did those idiots break something that worked?! |
They've been doing that for as long as I can remember.
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| Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2025 7:48 am Post subject: |
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| logrusx wrote: | | I finally found it! This crap drove me crazy. It's the tab button now! The idiots at Mozilla are hilarious. |
It does work for me using the arrow keys, while tab only cycles through the "firefox suggest" and history.
Moreover, adding the forums search via the suggestion of that "pop-down" area, it does seem to use the forums search.
That is, the URL will be, for example:
https://forums.gentoo.org/search.php?mode=results&show_results=topics&search_keywords=firefox
Does everything remain the same for you with a fresh new profile?
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| Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2025 8:12 am Post subject: |
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| Banana wrote: | Just out of curiosity I made a screenshot from my browser while browsing the wiki, because I do think there are multiple options to talk about.
https://delta-labs.org/sp/Hh4
For me there are suggestion for the search to be used and the green circle with the + indicates that I can add the wiki to the search providers. |
I can't open the image and don't want to bother downloading it with curl, but after following the advice below, I'm pretty certain you both have the old profile that behaves as it used to and as I liked it to.
| Chiitoo wrote: | | logrusx wrote: | | I finally found it! This crap drove me crazy. It's the tab button now! The idiots at Mozilla are hilarious. |
It does work for me using the arrow keys, while tab only cycles through the "firefox suggest" and history.
Moreover, adding the forums search via the suggestion of that "pop-down" area, it does seem to use the forums search.
That is, the URL will be, for example:
https://forums.gentoo.org/search.php?mode=results&show_results=topics&search_keywords=firefox
Does everything remain the same for you with a fresh new profile? |
Thanks for the hint. I had another user which I used for experimentation when I migrated to Hyprland. That user had the old profile as you both with Bananna have. When I created a new one (because I definitely didn't want to mess with my main user's profiles) it appeared exactly as what I'm complaining about. I also read the release notes and saw the screenshots. They messed with something they shouldn't have. And since adding the broken search provider leads to google instead of the forum search, I bet my behind this is Google's deed.
On one hand Google had been the main source of income for the foundation. On the other hand Google is something that should not be anymore. It was good for a while, now it's just another corporation rotten by greed.
p.s. I have no idea how my main user's profile got migrated.
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| Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2025 8:21 am Post subject: |
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I forgot to mention that in addition to my old profile, I did try with a new, clean one too, which I had the same experience with.
Wouldn't think that 'firefox-bin' makes a difference here either?
Quite curious on what it could be, though I certainly would not be surprised of them changing things in... such ways... but I don't see it here yet.
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| Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2025 8:25 am Post subject: |
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Reading through the documentation which you're redirected to when clicking on the link "Firefox is managed by your organization" in settings, I read some things are only available on ESR which I belive firefox-bin is. Is it 137?
The least it uses a different profile. When I tried it some time ago, I had to manually make it use the profile I used with the source based version.
You can see how it looks like now here: https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/137.0/releasenotes/
Pay attention to the Imdb example. The search with Imdb is not selectable ith the arrow keys, they just jump over it. By a complete accident, because I refused to believe they broke it so bad, I found out Tab could activate it.
Also see the next screenshot of the question to add it as a search engine just above the address bar. I made this thing appear once (and no more) on Gentoo Forums. It added a search which redirected to Google, but for gentoo.org, not forums.gentoo.org. And the first time around it was broken, I don't remember how. That's why I believe this effort was forced by Google.
Also the buttons that used to be below the suggestions are now gone. The ones you could use to add the forums and the wiki as a search engine. It's absolutely clean. What a hypocrisy to claim they improved usability. And if you look at Reddit, the normies are loving it.
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| Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2025 10:26 am Post subject: |
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Ah, thx for the link to the release notes. Didn't thought of them. Now I understand what you mean. It is different from the things I still see.
| Quote: | | I can't open the image and don't want to bother downloading it with curl, |
No worries. This is my own personal wgetpast style service. There are no hidden things to worry about.
But if you want, please share the error you get. Maybe something needs to be improved.
EDIT:
Ow, I do see something. FF does not like it. Chrome like browsers are not a problem. Maybe the image header is missing.
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| Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2025 10:43 am Post subject: |
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| Banana wrote: |
No worries. This is my own personal wgetpast style service. There are no hidden things to worry about. |
I just don't feel like typing it :D
| Banana wrote: | | Maybe the image header is missing. |
That's my thought too, but I'm feeling mentally lazy today and I always think of clever ways to do things so when I feel that way I don't do them at all :)
EDIT: finally, I just "Save page as" in Firefox and added a png extension. It's the old look yes. I guess they implemented that through the means of HTML/JS/CSS and it could be reversible, but I don't have the zest to go dig the git history and do it.
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| Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2025 11:18 am Post subject: |
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| logrusx wrote: | | Reading through the documentation which you're redirected to when clicking on the link "Firefox is managed by your organization" in settings, I read some things are only available on ESR which I belive firefox-bin is. Is it 137? |
Yeah, ESR is a bit special, but looking at the versions, it should be 128.9.0, and mine is 137.0.1 (rapid) so I'd someawhats expect it to match non-bin... but maybe it still makes a difference.
Quote from the release notes:
"This feature brings the simplicity of mobile Firefox to your desktop experience."
Because that is /definitely/ what we want for the desktop...
Have to say, while I'm not entirely happy to depend on Qt WebEngine (and as such, Chromium in a way), I'm glad I don't depend on Firefox.
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| Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2025 11:51 am Post subject: |
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Well, I told you, the other user had the old experience. Same version, perhaps old profile. But when did that migration happen for my regular user, I don't know. I remember erroneously pressing "Refresh profile" thinking it was restart Firefox, but that was at least a few months back and since then I had the old experience. I remember using the wiki search the old way after that, to answer forum posts. Maybe it happened gradually and me pressing that refresh button made it possible for automatic migration, while the other user didn't have that intermediate step, who knows.
Mozilla sux. Maybe everyone should stop donating altogether. I don't think more donations will solve the problem, that's mentality. Maybe some executive wants to save their job and is doing what big money says, who knows, but this is not not-for-profit organization. Not anymore if it at all has been.
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