| View previous topic :: View next topic |
| Author |
Message |
halfgaar
l33t
Joined: 22 Feb 2004
Posts: 781
Location: Netherlands
|
 Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2004 12:02 pm Post subject: What software to use for DVD-/+ recording |
 |
|
Hi,
I've just bought a DVD-writer and I'm very confused about how to write DVDs and with what tools. I've created two coasters already by using K3b (frontend for cdrecord, cdrdao etc). After some searching, I came accross cdrecord-prodvd, but you have to request a key for it. Even though the key is free, I don't like requesting keys. Is there no free-software way to write DVD's? There isn't some kind of law that prohibits free DVD-writing sofware, right?
Another strange thing is that K3b first reported to have detected cdrecord version x.x.x-dvd. I updated cdrools, and now, it no longer detects a dvd-version. Is there a special cdrecord dvd-version? I didn't find it anyway
The coasters I created BTW do work in the writer. When using dvd+rw-mediainfo, it reports the track to be partial, which I suppose is the problem which causes my DVD-player not to understand it.
So, in short, how do I go about writing DVDs  ? |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
michaelarch
Tux's lil' helper
Joined: 08 May 2003
Posts: 87
Location: Huntsville, AL
|
| Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2004 1:09 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Hello,
I'm at work right now but there is a version of cdrecord that incorporates a dvd patch, however, it is not the latest version. Check the depository and it will show which still has dvd capabilities. Have you tried dvd+rw-tools? It also works by using the growisofs command. Hope this helps. Let me know.
Michael |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
halfgaar
l33t
Joined: 22 Feb 2004
Posts: 781
Location: Netherlands
|
| Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2004 1:39 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Quote: | | I'm at work right now but there is a version of cdrecord that incorporates a dvd patch, however, it is not the latest version. Check the depository and it will show which still has dvd capabilities |
But that still is an obscure way of writing DVD's. Aren't there a lot of people with DVD-burners? You'd expect there to be wide support.
| Quote: | | Have you tried dvd+rw-tools? It also works by using the growisofs command. Hope this helps. Let me know. |
I have dvd+rw-tools installed. Growisofs is used by K3b as well.
Wait a minute, I just remembered something. A +R disc should be formated before use right? I assumed that cdrecord did that for me, but is it perhaps so that I have to format it manually with tools from dvd+rw-tools and then use k3b to add files to it? I'm giving it a shot.
Something else BTW. I thought that +R discs were 4,7 GB in size, but I can only put 4.4 on it. Is this just gb being measured as 1000 mb? |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
evoweiss
Veteran
Joined: 07 Sep 2003
Posts: 1678
Location: Edinburgh, UK
|
| Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2004 2:12 pm Post subject: |
|
|
[MAJOR EDIT: I mixed up growisofs and mkisofs commands!]
Hi there,
| halfgaar wrote: | | I have dvd+rw-tools installed. Growisofs is used by K3b as well. |
The first DVD+R I tried burning with K3B was also a coaster, but I discovered the reason why and the only other coaster I've burned since came about because of bad media.
If you create an .iso file with mkisofs that you eventually want to burn as a video DVD you need to include the -dvd-video flag. Additionally, the -dvd-compat and -Z flags need to be used in the growisofs command. The earlier version of K3B I used did not use these flags and, hence, the resulting image was crap and burning the resulting image led to a coaster. I think my newer version appears to as I can create an image that I can later burn without fail.
My recommendation would be the following.
1. Use K3B to create an image file, but do not burn it to a disk (there's a check box for this in the burn menu).
2. Mount the .iso file and try watching it via mplayer or xine (I'm not home, so I don't have the commands at hand). If you can watch it this way, you have an image that, when burned to a DVD+R, will play in a stand-alone set (I'm assuming you have semi-decent media, imation seems to work for me and I have an old DVD player).
3. If this doesn't work, erase the iso file you just created and use mkisofs at the command line with the flags I mentioned to create the image and try viewing it again. If this works, then K3B is not using the -dvd-video flag when it creates the image. If this does not work, I'm not sure what could be wrong.
4. Once you have an image that works try burning it to a DVD. First, try with the growisofs command and be sure to include the -dvd-compat and -Z flags. If this works, it suggests that K3B might not enable these flags when burning video dvds and that you need to configure K3B to include the flags when burning video DVDs (there's a way to check). If that doesn't work, again, I'm at a loss for what might be wrong.
As per the media, etc. I imagine that the claim of how much space is on them is made before they are formatted. Also, the DVD+Rs I get are already formatted, I suspect the same is true for you.
I found this to be a very helpful guide to the proper growisofs and mkisofs commands for burning a video DVD.
Best,
Alex |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
halfgaar
l33t
Joined: 22 Feb 2004
Posts: 781
Location: Netherlands
|
| Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2004 3:14 pm Post subject: |
|
|
thanks, evoweiss, that's something I can use. I was half-way ahead of you.. Let me explain.
1 Second after my previous post, I discovered that growisofs is not just used for manipulating iso fs's, but also for the writing itself (I feel ashamed). I read the manpage. I saw the dvd-compat flag, And because the difference with DVD+R of my hand and movies I have is the open track, I suspected that was the cause, because -dvd-compat closes up the session. So, I added -dvd-compat to the parameters of growisofs in K3b. I just created a DVD, another coaster. Then I read your reply, seeing that I should also add -Z /dev/bla. BTW, the discs I'm trying to write are just data-discs.
| Quote: |
Also, the DVD+Rs I get are already formatted, I suspect the same is true for you.
|
When they are already formated, is -Z necessary?
Well, I'm a tryin' again. Anybody interessted in a coaster ?
Edit:
I just saw that my last coaster was created by (k3b executed this):
/usr/bin/growisofs -Z /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target1/lun0/cd -use-the-force-luke=notray -use-the-force-luke=tty -use-the-force-luke
=dao -speed=4 -dvd-compat -gui -graft-points -V label -volset -A -P -p -sysid -volset-size 1 -volset-seqno 1 -sort /tmp/kde-halfgaar/
k3bnhayMa.tmp -J -hide-joliet-list /tmp/kde-halfgaar/k3bHUVPga.tmp -iso-level 1 -path-list /tmp/kde-halfgaar/k3bvvGt5a.tmp
Meaning, -Z and -dvd-compat were both given. Stil, it's a coaster 
Last edited by halfgaar on Tue Jun 29, 2004 3:25 pm; edited 2 times in total |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
evoweiss
Veteran
Joined: 07 Sep 2003
Posts: 1678
Location: Edinburgh, UK
|
| Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2004 3:22 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| halfgaar wrote: | thanks, evoweiss, that's something I can use. I was half-way ahead of you.. Let me explain.
1 Second after my previous post, I discovered that growisofs is not just used for manipulating iso fs's, but also for the writing itself (I feel ashamed). I read the manpage. I saw the dvd-compat flag, And because the difference with DVD+R of my hand and movies I have is the open track, I suspected that was the cause, because -dvd-compat closes up the session. So, I added -dvd-compat to the parameters of growisofs in K3b. I just created a DVD, another coaster. Then I read your reply, seeing that I should also add -Z /dev/bla. BTW, the discs I'm trying to write are just data-discs.
|
Ok, did you try the dvd-video flag with mkisofs before burning them? I think that sets up the format of the directories, etc. correctly for video DVDs.
One thing you may want to do is buy a single DVD+RW for when you're experimenting. If you botch up the burn or image, just erase it and try again. Again, mounting the iso and the like is a good way to test it out.
[quote"halfgaar"]When they are already formated, is -Z necessary?[/quote]
I believe it is, yes.
| halfgaar wrote: | | Well, I'm a tryin' again. Anybody interessted in a coaster ? |
Good luck. Remember, first try just making an image you can watch. Once you have that down, you just need to get the right burn commands working.
Best,
Alex |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
evoweiss
Veteran
Joined: 07 Sep 2003
Posts: 1678
Location: Edinburgh, UK
|
| Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2004 3:26 pm Post subject: |
|
|
P.S.
| halfgaar wrote: | | BTW, the discs I'm trying to write are just data-discs. |
I'm not quite sure what you mean by this. If you mean that you're not trying to burn DVD videos, then what I have said about -dvd-video and -dvd-compat flags, doesn't really apply (though I am not sure about the -Z flags). Also, you can still just try to make images, mount them, and see whether you can access the data you tried to burn if this is the case.
If you mean that you bought regular blank DVD+Rs, then that's what I use as well.
Best,
Alex |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
evoweiss
Veteran
Joined: 07 Sep 2003
Posts: 1678
Location: Edinburgh, UK
|
| Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2004 3:32 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| halfgaar wrote: |
Edit:
I just saw that my last coaster was created by (k3b executed this):
/usr/bin/growisofs -Z /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target1/lun0/cd -use-the-force-luke=notray -use-the-force-luke=tty -use-the-force-luke
=dao -speed=4 -dvd-compat -gui -graft-points -V label -volset -A -P -p -sysid -volset-size 1 -volset-seqno 1 -sort /tmp/kde-halfgaar/
k3bnhayMa.tmp -J -hide-joliet-list /tmp/kde-halfgaar/k3bHUVPga.tmp -iso-level 1 -path-list /tmp/kde-halfgaar/k3bvvGt5a.tmp
Meaning, -Z and -dvd-compat were both given. Stil, it's a coaster |
Hmmmm... if you're trying to create a movie DVD, can you post the generated command that creates the image, i.e., mkisofs? If the image is not properly formatted a la -dvd-video, it would still screw up. Another thing you could try is a simpler version of that command using the -Z. I'm at a bit of a loss without knowing exactly what you're trying to burn and what mkisofs is doing. If I'm right, trying to mount and access the image would also lead to an inability to read it.
Best,
Alex |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
halfgaar
l33t
Joined: 22 Feb 2004
Posts: 781
Location: Netherlands
|
| Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2004 3:46 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Fist, by "i'm just creating a data-disc", I meant that I'm just creating a DVD with files. no video-DVD.
this was the mkisofs command of my last try:
/usr/bin/mkisofs -gui -graft-points -V label -volset -A -P -p -sysid -volset-size 1 -volset-seqno 1 -sort
/tmp/kde-halfgaar/k3bnhayMa.tmp -J -hide-joliet-list /tmp/kde-halfgaar/k3bHUVPga.tmp -iso-level 1 -path-list /tmp/kde-halfgaar/k3bvvGt5a.tmp
I've just created an ISO image, I'm mounting it now. Ok, I can mount it and the files are OK. I created it by using k3b, with the option -dvd-compat added to the list of arguments. The image I've created now is exactly what I used to create my 3rd coaster, so the problem is not in the image.
Is that even possible BTW, an iso9660 error causing the dvd-romdrive not to understand the disc? The drive in my computer is just reading and reading until I open it up. It seems to me that the error is on a lower level than iso9660.
So, I'm at a loss. I created an image which works, it's been written to dvd with both just "-Z" and "-Z and -dvd-compat" and it all resulted in coasters. Do you have a written DVD+R at your disposal? Could you run dvd+rw-mediainfo on it? Is the first track partial or complete? |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
evoweiss
Veteran
Joined: 07 Sep 2003
Posts: 1678
Location: Edinburgh, UK
|
| Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2004 3:56 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| halfgaar wrote: | | Fist, by "i'm just creating a data-disc", I meant that I'm just creating a DVD with files. no video-DVD. |
Ok, that helps and your problem does not appear to be the image.
One thing I am wondering, is whether the write speed perhaps too high? In your last post it was set at 4. Some media may be touchy. You may also want to pick up a single DVD+RW of a different brand and try that. Who knows, maybe you got a bad batch.
| halfgaar wrote: | | Is that even possible BTW, an iso9660 error causing the dvd-romdrive not to understand the disc? The drive in my computer is just reading and reading until I open it up. It seems to me that the error is on a lower level than iso9660. |
Honestly, I'm not sure. Sounds like nothing is on the discs at all. I take it you saw it burning the disc, right?
| halfgaar wrote: | | So, I'm at a loss. I created an image which works, it's been written to dvd with both just "-Z" and "-Z and -dvd-compat" and it all resulted in coasters. Do you have a written DVD+R at your disposal? Could you run dvd+rw-mediainfo on it? Is the first track partial or complete? |
I'll do that as soon as I get home tonight.
Best,
Alex |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
halfgaar
l33t
Joined: 22 Feb 2004
Posts: 781
Location: Netherlands
|
| Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2004 3:58 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| How likely is it BTW, that instead of three coasters, I have three perfectly good DVD's, but my BenQ DVD-ROM-drive is just not able to read them? I unfortunately don't have access to another DVD-ROM-drive which isn't a burner (seeing as how burners can read discs without proper TOCs, so testing on a burner doesn't tell if it is a TOC/session problem or not). |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
evoweiss
Veteran
Joined: 07 Sep 2003
Posts: 1678
Location: Edinburgh, UK
|
| Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2004 4:03 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Hi again,
| halfgaar wrote: | | How likely is it BTW, that instead of three coasters, I have three perfectly good DVD's, but my BenQ DVD-ROM-drive is just not able to read them? I unfortunately don't have access to another DVD-ROM-drive which isn't a burner (seeing as how burners can read discs without proper TOCs, so testing on a burner doesn't tell if it is a TOC/session problem or not). |
Well, given that I didn't see anything wrong with the commands and K3B typically works flawlessly, I suppose it might be possible. You may want to try reading the dvds in that drive and then use dmesg to see if any errors crop up. Have you considered trying to switch the cables or making sure that everything is plugged in well? Do you have access to a friend's computer or a computer lab?
Best,
Alex |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
halfgaar
l33t
Joined: 22 Feb 2004
Posts: 781
Location: Netherlands
|
| Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2004 4:04 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Quote: |
One thing I am wondering, is whether the write speed perhaps too high? In your last post it was set at 4. Some media may be touchy. You may also want to pick up a single DVD+RW of a different brand and try that. Who knows, maybe you got a bad batch.
|
I was considering that option, but I hadn't given it much more thought. The media is certified for 4X and the writer for 8X (NEC ND-2510A). After I got my Benq DVD-drive, I never really liked Benq for anything, so perhaps the discs are faulty (I didn't buy the Benq-discs, a friend of mine....).
The dvd's are written BTW, I can see it on the surface. But you're right in that the DVD-romdrive acts the same as it would with an empty disc, being unable to read it.
I'll pick up an RW tomorrow, and perhaps make a few more coasters by trying 2x tonight. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
halfgaar
l33t
Joined: 22 Feb 2004
Posts: 781
Location: Netherlands
|
| Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2004 4:06 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| evoweiss wrote: | Hi again,
| halfgaar wrote: | | How likely is it BTW, that instead of three coasters, I have three perfectly good DVD's, but my BenQ DVD-ROM-drive is just not able to read them? I unfortunately don't have access to another DVD-ROM-drive which isn't a burner (seeing as how burners can read discs without proper TOCs, so testing on a burner doesn't tell if it is a TOC/session problem or not). |
Well, given that I didn't see anything wrong with the commands and K3B typically works flawlessly, I suppose it might be possible. You may want to try reading the dvds in that drive and then use dmesg to see if any errors crop up. Have you considered trying to switch the cables or making sure that everything is plugged in well? Do you have access to a friend's computer or a computer lab?
Best,
Alex |
As I said, I don't have access to other drives. And I don't think it's the cables. A dvd-drive should accept the disc even without cables connected to it. And, this is the first time it's given me problems. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
halfgaar
l33t
Joined: 22 Feb 2004
Posts: 781
Location: Netherlands
|
| Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2004 4:45 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Well, this is just great. I wrote a disc with 2X, K3b also passed speed=2 to growisofs, but still, the overal writingspeed was 4x. Well, coaster nr 4. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
evoweiss
Veteran
Joined: 07 Sep 2003
Posts: 1678
Location: Edinburgh, UK
|
| Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2004 5:19 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Hi,
| halfgaar wrote: | | Well, this is just great. I wrote a disc with 2X, K3b also passed speed=2 to growisofs, but still, the overal writingspeed was 4x. Well, coaster nr 4. |
Yikes, that sucks. Given your other emails I'm pretty stumped at this point. I am assuming that you can burn CDs ok with the drive, right? I'd try a different media brand and hopefully somebody else knows what might be plaguing you. If you bought the media at a store, you may be able to go to the store and return the DVDs saying they're defective. Staples stores around me are very good about that sort of thing.
Best,
Alex |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
halfgaar
l33t
Joined: 22 Feb 2004
Posts: 781
Location: Netherlands
|
| Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2004 5:39 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Quote: |
Yikes, that sucks. Given your other emails I'm pretty stumped at this point. I am assuming that you can burn CDs ok with the drive, right? I'd try a different media brand and hopefully somebody else knows what might be plaguing you. If you bought the media at a store, you may be able to go to the store and return the DVDs saying they're defective. Staples stores around me are very good about that sort of thing.
|
I've created several data and audio CDRW's and audio CD's which work perfectly. The audio cd's don't contain a single audible error.
But I think it's the medium. I've acquired Nero and created a DVD in Windows (at 4X): the exact same thing, a coaster. It also reads exactly the same as DVD's created with growisofs with dvd+rw-mediainfo, 1 completed session with 1 partial track.
It is also a possiblity of course that my DVD-ROM-player just sucks (even more than I initially thought). But I doubt it, because it never completely failed to read a disc. Then again, I never tried to read DVD+/-R's
And about returning the discs, I doubt that the one who bought them still has the receipt. Well, we'll see. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
evoweiss
Veteran
Joined: 07 Sep 2003
Posts: 1678
Location: Edinburgh, UK
|
| Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2004 5:46 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| halfgaar wrote: | I've created several data and audio CDRW's and audio CD's which work perfectly. The audio cd's don't contain a single audible error.
But I think it's the medium. I've acquired Nero and created a DVD in Windows (at 4X): the exact same thing, a coaster. It also reads exactly the same as DVD's created with growisofs with dvd+rw-mediainfo, 1 completed session with 1 partial track. |
Ok, I suspect you're right about that. It does happen from time to time.
| halfgaar wrote: | | It is also a possiblity of course that my DVD-ROM-player just sucks (even more than I initially thought). But I doubt it, because it never completely failed to read a disc. Then again, I never tried to read DVD+/-R's |
If it reads CDs just fine, it ought to do ok with DVDs. One possible way to check is to see whether some pre-burned DVD (software for windows, an AOL DVD, or a movie) will work in the drive. If not, something is definitely wrong with the drive but, if they work fine, you can bet it's probably the blanks.
| halfgaar wrote: | | And about returning the discs, I doubt that the one who bought them still has the receipt. Well, we'll see. |
Typically the company might be perfectly willing to give you a new set of DVDs even without a receipt if you have the proof of purchase.
Good luck!
Best,
Alex |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
halfgaar
l33t
Joined: 22 Feb 2004
Posts: 781
Location: Netherlands
|
| Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2004 6:22 pm Post subject: |
|
|
I've got results. I upgraded the firmware of my DVD-Rom drive. Now, all the coasters are readable . It doesn't read them very fast, it keeps the RPM down, but it reads them. It can read movies at full speed (except when playing though a dvd-player like powerdvd for windows, becuase then it keeps the speed, read noise, down on purpose).
| Quote: |
Typically the company might be perfectly willing to give you a new set of DVDs even without a receipt if you have the proof of purchase.
|
Well, with receipt I meant prove of purchase . But no matter, they seem to work afterall. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
evoweiss
Veteran
Joined: 07 Sep 2003
Posts: 1678
Location: Edinburgh, UK
|
| Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2004 6:26 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| halfgaar wrote: | | I've got results. I upgraded the firmware of my DVD-Rom drive. Now, all the coasters are readable . It doesn't read them very fast, it keeps the RPM down, but it reads them. It can read movies at full speed (except when playing though a dvd-player like powerdvd for windows, becuase then it keeps the speed, read noise, down on purpose). |
Congratulations! Not sure what was wrong with the previous firmware, but, hey, who cares, the dang thing works, right  ?
Best,
Alex |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
|
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
|
|
Other Things Gentoo
