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amne Bodhisattva
Joined: 17 Nov 2002 Posts: 6378 Location: Graz / EU
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Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 10:36 am Post subject: |
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I doubt our point of view has changed recently - OTW still is the place for everything not related to Gentoo. As these are the Gentoo forums we're not exactly fond of having more than one non-Gentoo forum, so you'll probably just have to post more interesting Linux related threads to OTW that make the flamew^H^H^H^H^H^Hpolitical discussions look uninteresting and no one joins them any more. _________________ Dinosaur week! (Ok, this thread is so last week) |
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at240 l33t
Joined: 12 Aug 2005 Posts: 603 Location: UK
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Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 11:23 am Post subject: |
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Thank you for the reply, amne---appreciate it , and I do understand any reluctance to expand non-Gentoo aspects of the site.
My suggestion was provoked because I was looking for discussion of the way in which GNOME seems to be getting stronger backing right now than KDE. There is a thread on precisely that active in OTW right now. But finding that was just luck on my part, because OTW threads don't show up in searches or on the last-24-hrs/unanswered boards (or, at least, they don't show up for me), so it requires a specific visit to OTW to see what's going on. For those of us (and I'm sure there are many) who bookmark just the last 24hrs page rather than the forums home page, this means you have to click, scroll, click, search... and all for topics which can be serious as well as significant for a gentooer even if not directly or immediately gentoo-relevant.
So I guess what I'm saying is that having general linux chat in OTW makes it less visible than is (perhaps?/arguably?) desirable.
Or maybe I'm just too lazy and should look at OTW more often. |
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amne Bodhisattva
Joined: 17 Nov 2002 Posts: 6378 Location: Graz / EU
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Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 11:50 am Post subject: |
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Excluding OTW from the searches per default was something many/most users wanted for a very long time. _________________ Dinosaur week! (Ok, this thread is so last week) |
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niskel Guru
Joined: 17 Nov 2004 Posts: 457 Location: Fredericton, NB, Canada
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Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2006 5:39 pm Post subject: |
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amne wrote: | Excluding OTW from the searches per default was something many/most users wanted for a very long time. | I agree with this but I believe the reasoning and intent behind wanting OTW omitted from the search was to avoid all the religous/political and other non-Linux posts. Now, saying that Linux related but non Gentoo related threads should go in OTW sort of goes against the intent of having OTW omitted from the search as, really, most people still want Linux related threads in the search, just not the religous/political and other threads. |
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at240 l33t
Joined: 12 Aug 2005 Posts: 603 Location: UK
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Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2006 6:20 pm Post subject: |
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niskel wrote: | saying that Linux related but non Gentoo related threads should go in OTW sort of goes against the intent of having OTW omitted from the search as, really, most people still want Linux related threads in the search, just not the religous/political and other threads. |
Yes, that was my point too, really---but if a majority of people don't want it, then I'm happy to accept that. Either solution has drawbacks---after all, general linux chat can be very general indeed and might crowd out gentoo support requests.
Maybe a compromise would be to have an option for users to decide whether or not they wanted OTW to figure in their search results?
Or is that a silly suggestion? |
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tomk Bodhisattva
Joined: 23 Sep 2003 Posts: 7221 Location: Sat in front of my computer
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Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2006 6:33 pm Post subject: |
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at240 wrote: | Maybe a compromise would be to have an option for users to decide whether or not they wanted OTW to figure in their search results?
Or is that a silly suggestion? |
In the new search engine you will be able to choose whatever combination of forums you'd like. _________________ Search | Read | Answer | Report | Strip |
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open_coder Tux's lil' helper
Joined: 09 Sep 2004 Posts: 103
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Posted: Sun May 14, 2006 2:31 am Post subject: |
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Here is my basic view on this topic. When trying to get general tech help on this forum, you have to sift through alot of crap. Often times the threads with general help get buried in all this crap and the same question will occur two or three times, because the user doesnt notice the first post made several days or weeks earlier. This serves to aggravate the community because people have to answer questions more than once. I also don't feel that this inspires a great deal of community.
Not only that, but OTW doesnt count toward your postcount. So, when I answer a technical question, I dont get any credit for that post. I think that questions with technical pertinence should count towards your postcount.
Another reason for a separate forum is that some of us don't like to belong to too many forums. I use Windows, so I am on another forum in addition to this one, but if I ever left Windows I would lose the part of the Windows forum that I use for general tech help. And, users who only use Gentoo don't get the same kind of help from the current layout.
I just feel that the idea of a separate tech forum would improve the quality of the Gentoo Forums and provide a greater community for all of us.
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sugar Guru
Joined: 07 Aug 2004 Posts: 579 Location: Morrinsville, New Zealand
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Posted: Sat May 27, 2006 3:54 am Post subject: Forum suggestion, split OTW |
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Hello,
I think OTW should be split into 2 catagories. Linux and non-Linux discussion, as relevant and important Linux discussions don't fit anywhere, as Gentoo chat is gentoo only.
Also, there should be a forum for people who don't use Gentoo to post questions for their problems. It would create an enormous amount of goodwill in the community.
My 2c!
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kallamej Administrator
Joined: 27 Jun 2003 Posts: 4975 Location: Gothenburg, Sweden
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Posted: Sat May 27, 2006 8:27 am Post subject: |
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Merged the above post to this thread. _________________ Please read our FAQ Forum, it answers many of your questions.
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GNUtoo Veteran
Joined: 05 May 2005 Posts: 1919
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Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 9:50 am Post subject: Computer sub forum? |
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there is a lot of computer related question in off the wall so it would be great to have a computer sub forum |
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coriolan Apprentice
Joined: 21 Apr 2005 Posts: 273
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Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 10:43 am Post subject: |
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I want a subforum named "Trolling", perhaps subsubforums for "Cokehabit only trolling", "Albert Alligator's Trolling", "America Bashing", and "General Trolling". |
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mark_alec Bodhisattva
Joined: 11 Sep 2004 Posts: 6066 Location: Melbourne, Australia
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Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 10:53 am Post subject: |
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Merged above two threads. |
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cokey Advocate
Joined: 23 Apr 2004 Posts: 3355
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Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 12:48 am Post subject: |
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coriolan wrote: | I want a subforum named "Trolling", perhaps subsubforums for "Cokehabit only trolling", "Albert Alligator's Trolling", "America Bashing", and "General Trolling". | I think we should have one called "whingeing" as well.
I do think OTW should have a sub-forum where linux/other distros can be discussed _________________ https://otw20.com/ OTW20 The new place for off the wall chat |
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Old School Apprentice
Joined: 20 Nov 2004 Posts: 252 Location: West Bank of the Coast Fork
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Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 2:54 am Post subject: |
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cokehabit wrote: Quote: | I do think OTW should have a sub-forum where linux/other distros can be discussed |
I agree. A sub forum titled "General Linux/Other Distros"
The old argument that these are Gentoo forums, thus everything "non Gentoo" needs to be in OTW just does not fly. One look at the "Multimedia" forum (which over the years has been a trmendous help for me )shows that most of the discussions and help could easily be considered general Linux in nature. For example https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-473129.html is just one example at the time of this post. _________________ www.otw20.com
The further a society drifts from truth, the more it will hate those who speak it.
George Orwell
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GNUtoo Veteran
Joined: 05 May 2005 Posts: 1919
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Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 3:00 am Post subject: |
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menelmacar wrote: | cokehabit wrote: Quote: | I do think OTW should have a sub-forum where linux/other distros can be discussed |
I agree. A sub forum entitled "General Linux/Other Distros"
The old argument that these are Gentoo forums, thus everything "non Gentoo" needs to be in OTW just does not fly. One look at the "Multimedia" forum (which over the years has been a trmendous help for me )shows that most of the discussions and help could easily be considered general Linux in nature. For example https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-473129.html is just one example at the time of this post. |
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dman777 Veteran
Joined: 10 Jan 2007 Posts: 1004
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Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 3:08 am Post subject: Off The Wall Forum |
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I have a general non gentoo specific linux question but I know if I post it in the Off The Wall Forums it probably won't get answered because the forum gets flooded with non-linux off the wall topics. There should be a general linux(non gentoo specific) support forum or the Off the Wall Forum should be split into linux and non linux sub forums. Or am I just insane? |
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Bones McCracker Veteran
Joined: 14 Mar 2006 Posts: 1611 Location: U.S.A.
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Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 4:45 am Post subject: |
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The general Linux questions I've seen in Off the Wall get answered, and pretty quickly usually. You might also get hazed a little, but you get answered. |
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dman777 Veteran
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PaulBredbury Watchman
Joined: 14 Jul 2005 Posts: 7310
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Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2010 7:08 am Post subject: |
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The forum is like 80% nutters & misfits - it's the lunatics' asylum of the forums. Putting remotely serious threads there, amongst e.g. "It's f******g hot" threads, is ridiculous. |
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dman777 Veteran
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Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2010 7:13 am Post subject: |
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I agree...that is why I was asking if there could be a General Linux Questions forums aside from the one that is current. |
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Earthwings Bodhisattva
Joined: 14 Apr 2003 Posts: 7753 Location: Germany
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Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2010 10:45 am Post subject: |
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Merged the last five posts. Chose necromancy over moving to duplicates _________________ KDE |
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Sadako Advocate
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Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 2:24 am Post subject: |
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I'd actually quite like a general linux forum too, there've been a few posts I wanted to make but not bother with because they're not really specific to gentoo (despite gentoo being all I really use), and I didn't want them dumped in OTW... _________________ "You have to invite me in" |
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pjp Administrator
Joined: 16 Apr 2002 Posts: 20067
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Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 7:24 pm Post subject: |
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Sadako wrote: | I'd actually quite like a general linux forum too, there've been a few posts I wanted to make but not bother with because they're not really specific to gentoo (despite gentoo being all I really use), and I didn't want them dumped in OTW... | Ad nauseam... Gentoo is not a generic support forum and anything not related to Gentoo belongs in OTW. Posting more content you want to see in OTW will reduce how much of the other stuff you see.
If I recall correctly when we first started creating sub-forums, increased moderation effort was the primary reason for not splitting OTW. OTW is what its participants make of it. _________________ Quis separabit? Quo animo? |
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Old School Apprentice
Joined: 20 Nov 2004 Posts: 252 Location: West Bank of the Coast Fork
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Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 1:11 am Post subject: |
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Sadako wrote: | I'd actually quite like a general linux forum too, there've been a few posts I wanted to make but not bother with because they're not really specific to gentoo (despite gentoo being all I really use), and I didn't want them dumped in OTW... | Hopeless, you know as well as anyone that questions "dumped in OTW" will probably be answered faster than any other Gentoo sub forum. _________________ www.otw20.com
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Bones McCracker Veteran
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Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 1:35 am Post subject: |
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Old School wrote: | Sadako wrote: | I'd actually quite like a general linux forum too, there've been a few posts I wanted to make but not bother with because they're not really specific to gentoo (despite gentoo being all I really use), and I didn't want them dumped in OTW... | Hopeless, you know as well as anyone that questions "dumped in OTW" will probably be answered faster than any other Gentoo sub forum. |
Shhh. If word gets out, it will be forum anarchy. |
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