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pingtoo
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 Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2023 6:05 pm Post subject: |
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lefsha,
Since you indicate you wish to be in discussion, I will try to just that.
| lefsha wrote: | | pingtoo wrote: | Throughout the entire thread of this topic, I got a feeling you have a idea of Gentoo is like a complete program that every part should work together. May I present a different point of view? I believe Gentoo is no more than Portage (The package manager) and ::gentoo repos (A large set of build procedures). I think Gentoo Dev. voluntarily share their experience on how to build one package, the experience were translated into "ebuild" so someone else who is interesting the same program can benefit.
A "ebuild" must expressed in a way that all understand in order for it can be shared. so choose a common denominator that majority user can accept is good thing. Bash is good common denominator for all linux distro. however since bash is still evolving it would be best to choose a milestone so everyone can easily reference. you may think that is right but why don't we use POSIX as the "milestone", for the logical thinking I agree, but I am not at the time when decision were made so I accept what was given. on the other hand I agree from design point of view I will choose a tool with feature rich as oppose a tool with feature limited for long longevity of the design.
You continue state that using bash5.x is wrong, in my mind one must know what is right in order to know what is wrong. so can you share your right way of doing that we all can benefit from the "right" 
All the above of my saying is trying to "Help" that there could be other point of view in hope you can consider. |
Your points are valid and not valid at the same time.
Let me express what I am thinking about it.
First of all blaming me, that I am requesting to rewrite everything from scratch is wrong!
Saying, that I am asking people do more work, than they do is wrong. |
Please point out in where in my post that I blaming you for requesting rewrite everything. If you feel that I implied, than allow me to state that I have no intention to ask you to ask for rewrite.
| lefsha wrote: | I am fully aware, that people spend own time for that and I am not the one to push them work more and work harder!
Exactly the opposite is the case! |
OK, understand your intention. However the result of the intention imply rework in order do what you believe is correct way.
| lefsha wrote: | There is a very simple idea, that if you stick with "today's" version of any porgram, be it bash, or what ever you tend to create tons
of legacy code. The work, which has been done by people and cannot be used ANYMORE by anyone. |
How is the code is "today's version with legacy code "cannot be used ANYMORE by anyone"? If it is today's code it surely can be run on today's system. Maybe you mean yesterday's code?
| lefsha wrote: | I guess Python is the best example of that. Tons of code made for Python-2.0 will never work for Python-3.0
But it is getting worse, that that. Now Python-3.9 and 3.10 and 3.11 are not compatible to each other.
Making a long time project in pyhton-2.0 will push me to rewrite the code over and over again!
If that is not free private time for any developer, than no company will pay for it! |
I am not sure what is the "it" you refereed, If it is the "python" I believe no one is paying for python.
"Python" is a programming language specification; "python-2.x", "python-3.x" is a implementation of the programming language. The incompatibility is due to poor implementation. And it is shown in the version changes, I will explain my point of view in later.
| lefsha wrote: | I work in the Semiconductor Industry. Good or bad, but you can still see Windows XP running there in masses!
Some sort of software you cannot update. There is no update. There are no free monkeys who will spend time from
adapting it to the new version!
If a tool vendor will provide a new version _for_money_ obviously, then no customer will agree with an upgrade.
I believe very few of you if anyone at all have ever worked in the industry. |
In fact today's Tool vendor does provide new version for their software for money. And many customer do agree to pay for upgrade. I am sure the same application used in Semiconductor Industry must have have same application that will work with today's Windows environment and the IT deportment I am sure will suggest or find a way to bring the application to modern day standard.
| lefsha wrote: | People who make things for money do them better, because money becoming a parameter in the game.
Free time cost nothing. Every month one can rewrite Linux from scratch... |
Agree, see my point above.
| lefsha wrote: | It's enough to see how often a new portage version is coming... That frequency alone is a good sign, that something is wrong.
People who spend their time on changing portage or ebuilds do not know the price of the time. |
I am pretty sure people who wrote the ebuild know their time value, They just willingly proved it free of charge.
| lefsha wrote: | I was just asked by Hu - what is the benefit of what I am suggesting...
I do exactly the same question - what is the benefit of upgrading portage every months or so? Is it worth it? |
Although I should not speak for Hu, But I feel Hu's question is that he understood current Gentoo state, but not able to understand your idea, therefor he asked.
| lefsha wrote: | Many overlays do have ebuilds, which are not working anymore, because EAPI considered being OLD.
The package/program they provide are available and fully functional, but ebuilds cannot be used. |
I agree, I too consider this indicate design deficiency. However, since I am not involve in daily work in maintenance of portage, there could be some use cases I am not aware therefor I will just accept the current implementation.
| lefsha wrote: | The source code if still available is not like food it won't start smelling and even after 10 or 20 years be perfectly
functional.
The idea of the permanent upgrade is wrong per seI
A well made program can work even after 20 years w/o issues. |
cannot 100% agree this idea. Because the world is evolving all the time. 20 years ago shell script may not work will for today's computer due to modern computer can execute multiple threads concurrently. So some old shell script will have unexpected raise condition. So to say that 20 years ago program will just work without modification is just not true.
| lefsha wrote: | Imagine, what would happen if the Automotive industry will change the base (distance between wheels) of cars every time
different - better of course... wider of course, for more comfort...
We will end up with necessity of building new roads. That new cars can not use old roads and must stick to the new roads only.
God bless the automotive industry, that it is commercial one and not made by programmers in the free time...
And you still can buy tires for your oldtimer... |
In fact Automotive industry did just that, They do change base and they even charge it for that And they call that upgrade  Take Honda Civic as example. 20 years ago Civic is a much small car than today's Civic.
| lefsha wrote: | | Yes, I can share the proper view on the product development. |
So please do share 
| lefsha wrote: | I have never said, that depending on bash or even bash-5.0 is a wrong one!
I said, that today dependence on bash-5.0 and tomorrow on bash-6.0 and in 10 years on bash-25 is wrong one! |
If fact you did said that see There is no problem if portage depends on bash as long one understand it like POSIX shell scripting functionality of bash. Being depending on bash-5.0 is a misconception! It is a wrong thing. There is nothing what portage cannot live w/o from bash-5.0
| lefsha wrote: | It wasn't me. It has been developed by commercial industry many years ago.
That something calls the STANDARD. You can have any bolt you like as long it is M4 M6 M8 and what ever else.
You cannot have a bolt M4.34 and go to the public market with it. It is possible to make physically, but it will be ignored by the market!
As a commercial company you will go bankrupt.
But obviously not as a "free time code writer". Those species will survive forever and make problems for themselves and others.
The proper way of doing almost everything is to agree upon standards!
Hold to the standards and you will be happy. |
Not much comment, as we all know the great thing abort STANDARD is there are many to choose from.
| lefsha wrote: | It wasn't me again. Linus said - we don't break the user space!
ebuilds are user space for portage. Portage regularly breaks the ebuilds! That is the fact. |
That is true. However nobody is perfect, mistake happen. the mistake can be either bad coding or bad design choice.
Bad coding (as some use cases was not considered)
Bad design choice (as in create incompatibility between changes, like python implementation example above)
Any of the "bad thing" should be reported and present with reason. But simply call the "bad thing" is wrong without any prove is just wrong. |
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Here is a example how I successfully build "bash" without "readline". | Code: | mkdir -p /etc/portage/profile
echo 'app-shells/bash -readline' >> /etc/portage/profile/package.use.force |
| build log: | root@5db7d943050e ~ # USE='-readline' emerge -1v --nodeps bash
These are the packages that would be merged, in order:
[ebuild R ] app-shells/bash-5.1_p16-r2::gentoo USE="net nls (-afs) -bashlogger -examples -mem-scramble -plugins -readline* -verify-sig" 0 KiB
Total: 1 package (1 reinstall), Size of downloads: 0 KiB
>>> Verifying ebuild manifests
>>> Emerging (1 of 1) app-shells/bash-5.1_p16-r2::gentoo
* bash-5.1.tar.gz BLAKE2B SHA512 size ;-) ... [ ok ]
* bash51-001 BLAKE2B SHA512 size ;-) ... [ ok ]
* bash51-002 BLAKE2B SHA512 size ;-) ... [ ok ]
* bash51-003 BLAKE2B SHA512 size ;-) ... [ ok ]
* bash51-004 BLAKE2B SHA512 size ;-) ... [ ok ]
* bash51-005 BLAKE2B SHA512 size ;-) ... [ ok ]
* bash51-006 BLAKE2B SHA512 size ;-) ... [ ok ]
* bash51-007 BLAKE2B SHA512 size ;-) ... [ ok ]
* bash51-008 BLAKE2B SHA512 size ;-) ... [ ok ]
* bash51-009 BLAKE2B SHA512 size ;-) ... [ ok ]
* bash51-010 BLAKE2B SHA512 size ;-) ... [ ok ]
* bash51-011 BLAKE2B SHA512 size ;-) ... [ ok ]
* bash51-012 BLAKE2B SHA512 size ;-) ... [ ok ]
* bash51-013 BLAKE2B SHA512 size ;-) ... [ ok ]
* bash51-014 BLAKE2B SHA512 size ;-) ... [ ok ]
* bash51-015 BLAKE2B SHA512 size ;-) ... [ ok ]
* bash51-016 BLAKE2B SHA512 size ;-) ... [ ok ]
* bash-5.1_p16-patches.tar.xz BLAKE2B SHA512 size ;-) ... [ ok ]
>>> Unpacking source...
>>> Unpacking bash-5.1.tar.gz to /var/tmp/portage/app-shells/bash-5.1_p16-r2/work
>>> Unpacking bash-5.1_p16-patches.tar.xz to /var/tmp/portage/app-shells/bash-5.1_p16-r2/work
>>> Source unpacked in /var/tmp/portage/app-shells/bash-5.1_p16-r2/work
>>> Preparing source in /var/tmp/portage/app-shells/bash-5.1_p16-r2/work/bash-5.1 ...
* Applying bash51-001 ...
[ ok ]
* Applying bash51-002 ...
[ ok ]
* Applying bash51-003 ...
[ ok ]
* Applying bash51-004 ...
[ ok ]
* Applying bash51-005 ...
[ ok ]
* Applying bash51-006 ...
[ ok ]
* Applying bash51-007 ...
[ ok ]
* Applying bash51-008 ...
[ ok ]
* Applying bash51-009 ...
[ ok ]
* Applying bash51-010 ...
[ ok ]
* Applying bash51-011 ...
[ ok ]
* Applying bash51-012 ...
[ ok ]
* Applying bash51-013 ...
[ ok ]
* Applying bash51-014 ...
[ ok ]
* Applying bash51-015 ...
[ ok ]
* Applying bash51-016 ...
[ ok ]
* Applying bash-5.0-syslog-history-extern.patch ...
patching file builtins/shopt.def
Hunk #1 succeeded at 242 with fuzz 2 (offset 119 lines).
[ ok ]
>>> Source prepared.
>>> Configuring source in /var/tmp/portage/app-shells/bash-5.1_p16-r2/work/bash-5.1 ...
* econf: updating bash-5.1/support/config.guess with /usr/share/gnuconfig/config.guess
* econf: updating bash-5.1/support/config.sub with /usr/share/gnuconfig/config.sub
./configure --prefix=/usr --build=aarch64-unknown-linux-gnu --host=aarch64-unknown-linux-gnu --mandir=/usr/share/man --infodir=/usr/share/info --datadir=/usr/share --sysconfdir=/etc --localstatedir=/var/lib --docdir=/usr/share/doc/bash-5.1_p16-r2 --htmldir=/usr/share/doc/bash-5.1_p16-r2/html --libdir=/usr/lib64 --disable-profiling --with-curses --disable-mem-scramble --enable-net-redirections --disable-readline --disable-bang-history --disable-history --without-afs --without-bash-malloc --with-installed-readline=.
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| pingtoo wrote: | Here is a example how I successfully build "bash" without "readline". | Code: |
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@lefsha
Well, now the question becomes whether or not one can live without the compgen command.
Regarding the static bash thing, it seems like you are talking to a brick wall here.
Go open a bug about this if it is true that bash can be built static. At least this was the advice recently given to me about such problems.
Maybe write an ebuild for static bash and add it to an overlay. I find that better that maintaining everything outside of portage.
Sad that we have to implement local workarounds for so many things. That's what I've done before joining the forums, and that's what I'll keep doing.
I believe you made some other points too, but I can't keep tracks of them in all this.
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Yeah wrt compgen there was https://bugs.gentoo.org/445576 (bug is referenced in the ebuild to explain why it asks for [readline]), there is also one ebuild that use it (ncdu). Does make me wonder if the latter is valid though, PMS doesn't really say anything about compgen availability in ebuilds, portage itself is free to use what it wants if it depends on it though.
This also make me realize that on one of my package (written in bash) I should also depend on bash[readline], compgen being conditional wasn't something I really thought about and I did use it. |
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| Ionen wrote: | | Yeah wrt compgen there was https://bugs.gentoo.org/445576 (bug is referenced in the ebuild to explain why it asks for [readline]), there is also one ebuild that use it (ncdu). Does make me wonder if the latter is valid though, PMS doesn't really say anything about compgen availability, portage is free to use what it wants if it depends on it though. |
So only 2 ebuilds depend on compgen, which is the only reason portage wants USE="readline" on bash, one of them being bash itself?
If that's true, I agree with lefsha that the dependency isn't sane.
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| stefan11111 wrote: | | Ionen wrote: | | Yeah wrt compgen there was https://bugs.gentoo.org/445576 (bug is referenced in the ebuild to explain why it asks for [readline]), there is also one ebuild that use it (ncdu). Does make me wonder if the latter is valid though, PMS doesn't really say anything about compgen availability, portage is free to use what it wants if it depends on it though. |
So only 2 ebuilds depend on compgen, which is the only reason portage wants USE="readline" on bash, one of them being bash itself?
If that's true, I agree with lefsha that the dependency isn't sane. |
No it's not bash itself, bug is just misleading. It's portage internals that uses it, and thus you'd see this message on anything you emerge.
And so, since portage uses compgen, it depends on bash[readline].
Edit: it's hard to say if it makes sense to change & remove though, PMS-wise (package manager specification) there's no mention of if compgen must be available -- and fail that, we could assume that a non-gimped bash is expected. In theory a future EAPI (if not a retroactive revision) could add a clause to either say that "compgen must not be used" or "must be available", to remove this ambiguity (guess there's a few other optional things that could use clarification/banning in ebuilds like bash's plugin support or networking stuff -- albeit not as bad as compgen which feels a bit part of the language).
Edit2: thinking about it, I do believe PMS shouldn't allow compgen
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| Ionen wrote: |
Edit: it's hard to say if it makes sense to change & remove though, PMS-wise (package manager specification) there's no mention of if compgen must be available -- and fail that, we could assume that a non-gimped bash is expected. In theory a future EAPI could add a clause to say that "compgen must not be used", to remove this ambiguity. |
On my system, this wouldn't get rid of readline anyway:
| Code: | Calculating dependencies... done!
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app-shells/bash-5.2_p15-r3 requires >=sys-libs/readline-8.2_p1:=, >=sys-libs/readline-8.2_p1:0/8=
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I should probably ditch ruby and find a replacement for mkvtoolnix. Maybe someone can give me suggestions.
As long as samba and gdb need readline, it has to stay. Why they need it is another question.
Still, I can see why some embedded/minimal systems wouldn't want any of these.
It would help those guys to not have to install readline and bloated bash just because portage uses compgen.
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| stefan11111 wrote: | | I should probably ditch ruby and find a replacement for mkvtoolnix. Maybe someone can give me suggestions. |
I used to use mkvtoolnix long ago, but it's rare I have something I can't do with just ffmpeg (it can copy streams as-is without re-encoding, adjust metadata and such, and mux into mkv). And I'm more used to it at this point, mkvtoolnix just has me into the man page trying to figure out how to do what I want (Edit: not to claim that ffmpeg is easy to use  just "more used to"). Guess depends on what you need it for.
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| Ionen wrote: | | stefan11111 wrote: | | I should probably ditch ruby and find a replacement for mkvtoolnix. Maybe someone can give me suggestions. |
I used to use mkvtoolnix long ago, but it's rare I have something I can't do with just ffmpeg (it can copy streams as-is without re-encoding, adjust metadata and such, and mux into mkv). And I'm more used to it at this point, mkvtoolnix just has me into the man page trying to figure out how to do what I want. Guess depends on what you need it for.
I don't have ruby myself. |
All I use it is to add subs to blu-rays that wash up from the 7 seas.
It is probably well documented enough so that I'll find my may with it.
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Maybe...
But I don't know is readline is that heavy. At least I suspect it to not be as poorly written and wasteful as atk.
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| lefsha wrote: | | Do you understand that your words support my idea |
Yes.
However I'm not complaining about it as loudly. I'm ok with some restrictions. There are some other things on portage that I'd like to get improved rather than bash[readline] requirement removal. Those other things are pretty minor things. Another topic, another time...
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| Ionen wrote: | | stefan11111 wrote: | | I should probably ditch ruby and find a replacement for mkvtoolnix. Maybe someone can give me suggestions. |
I used to use mkvtoolnix long ago, but it's rare I have something I can't do with just ffmpeg (it can copy streams as-is without re-encoding, adjust metadata and such, and mux into mkv). And I'm more used to it at this point, mkvtoolnix just has me into the man page trying to figure out how to do what I want (Edit: not to claim that ffmpeg is easy to use just "more used to"). Guess depends on what you need it for.
I don't have ruby myself. |
Finally ditched mkvtoolnix.
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| The next version of sys-apps/portage (3.0.50) will no longer make use of compgen, nor will it depend upon app-shells/bash[readline]. |
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Just figured out that I don't need samba and cifs to mount network filesystems and play videos from them.
I removed samba and cifs, which interestingly also removed libcap. That caused some preserved libs on openrc, but those were resolved after rebuilding openrc.
Now I am left with these packages that depend on readline:
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app-shells/bash-5.2_p15-r6 requires >=sys-libs/readline-8.2_p1:0/8=, >=sys-libs/readline-8.2_p1:=
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I want to see what I can do about readline, but I want to still have a working shell, however:
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These are the packages that would be merged, in order:
Calculating dependencies... done!
Dependency resolution took 0.95 s.
[ebuild R ] app-shells/bash-5.2_p15-r6::gentoo USE="net pgo (readline) verify-sig -afs -bashlogger -examples -mem-scramble -nls -plugins" 0 KiB
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USE="readline" is forced by my profile. How can I disable it?
| kerframil wrote: | | The next version of sys-apps/portage (3.0.50) will no longer make use of compgen, nor will it depend upon app-shells/bash[readline]. |
Great if true.
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| stefan11111 wrote: | | USE="readline" is forced by my profile. How can I disable it? |
To prevent it from being forcibly enabled:-
| Code: | | echo "app-shells/bash -readline" >> /etc/portage/profile/package.use.force |
| stefan11111 wrote: | | kerframil wrote: | | The next version of sys-apps/portage (3.0.50) will no longer make use of compgen, nor will it depend upon app-shells/bash[readline]. |
Great if true. |
It is (the change is already in portage-9999). |
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Made the change on my pi.
Now whenever I telnet into it, I get this message:
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Any idea how to fix it?
I also see that USE="readline" is still masked/forced(don't know the proper term).
Why is that?
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It appears that shell option is only present in bash builds with USE=readline. You should not attempt to modify that option on your USE=-readline bash.
It is probably still forced because no one has removed the force: | profiles/base/package.use.force: | # Zac Medico <zmedico@gentoo.org> (2012-12-04)
# Force app-shells/bash[readline] in stage1 builds, so that compgen is
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I can live with that warning. But I still don't think that is the proper way.
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