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Jaglover Watchman
Joined: 29 May 2005 Posts: 8291 Location: Saint Amant, Acadiana
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Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 11:46 pm Post subject: |
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tylerwylie wrote: | If that's what's keeping you from buying it, then good luck on a better laptop at a better price man. |
Sadly enough it is keeping me back. I know I could not be happy with a laptop if I had to pay money to a company I despise for something I do not use. I just repaired my old T23 one more time. In case it dies I'll get a new one from powernotebooks.com. |
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Mimamau Apprentice
Joined: 11 Jun 2002 Posts: 160 Location: Germany
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Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 10:02 pm Post subject: |
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Jaglover wrote: | tylerwylie wrote: | If that's what's keeping you from buying it, then good luck on a better laptop at a better price man. |
Sadly enough it is keeping me back. I know I could not be happy with a laptop if I had to pay money to a company I despise for something I do not use. I just repaired my old T23 one more time. In case it dies I'll get a new one from powernotebooks.com. |
When I bought my Thinkpad X61s about 2 years ago, I asked Lenovo and they offered to take back my unused Vista and give me about 30$. |
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ziggysquatch Apprentice
Joined: 16 Nov 2004 Posts: 172 Location: /USA/Minnesota
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Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 2:02 am Post subject: |
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don't laugh but I've always had good luck with Acer laptops and Gentoo. The construction quality isn't the sturdiest though if that's a concern.
Also I can't speak from experience but I have heard from others that the asus laptops are awesome with linux and anything else. |
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d2_racing Bodhisattva
Joined: 25 Apr 2005 Posts: 13047 Location: Ste-Foy,Canada
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Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 11:40 am Post subject: |
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I know that too, they are cheap, but if you are lucky, they are well supported by Linux. |
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neepie n00b
Joined: 06 Dec 2009 Posts: 9
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Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 3:20 pm Post subject: recommended laptop |
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Hi,
I am shopping for a new laptop for work. My boss wants to get me a laptop that will last me for a while. He's willing to spend the money to get a good laptop (about $1,500 - $1,700). I was hoping anyone could recommend a good laptop.
I'll be using the laptop to do development (PHP / MySQL), it will run the dev environment on it (apache + mysql). I do all my coding in vi.
I'm planning to make the laptop dual boot (Gentoo + whatever version of Windows it comes with), since my OS of choice is Gentoo, and for the (very) few times that I'll need to use Windows (mostly to give demo's over GoToMeeting).
Besides that what I would like to have is a SSD drive + enough memory (which I don't think should be a problem in the price range I'm looking in).
I'm sure there are many other nice to haves that I'm not thinking of right now. But this is what I've got right now.
Thanks |
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Mr. M Tux's lil' helper
Joined: 18 Sep 2004 Posts: 89 Location: USA
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Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 3:42 pm Post subject: |
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A lot of people have good experiences Thinkpads; I have a T61 and I'm very happy with it. Have a look at the current T or X series, they are in your price range. An important thing is to do your research to find out if all the hardware is supported in Linux. A save bet is usually Intel for CPU, chipset, GPU and Wifi.
Good luck |
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fangorn Veteran
Joined: 31 Jul 2004 Posts: 1886
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Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 3:50 pm Post subject: |
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Some years ago the answer would have been easy. For professional use: Thinkpad.
But since Lenovo took over not only the production but also the design, the durability of Thinkpads degraded IMHO.
For your usage profile I'd say you need a decent keyboard and a nonreflective display with a middle resolution (no 12" 800x320 and no 15,4" 1920x1080)
Displays without second function as a shaving mirror are nowadays only found in the business lines mostly.
Main problem will be finding a keyboard that fits your needs. I have good experiences with HP Compaq Business Laptops and Lenovo Thinkpads. But that is up to you and your liking, so there is nothing but trying to tell if this is good for you.
Performance, Harddisc, RAM and battery runtime should be only minor problems.
Edit: Golden rule when bying Laptops to run Linux upon: Don't buy just released technology New chipsets always have problems at first. Be it BIOS, driver or ACPI problems. To be on the safe side, buy hardware that is half a year on the market.
I use AMD as private notebooks for years now and did not have any problems. With Intel hardware your chance is bigger to get driver support even at release date of the new chipsets, but these also need time to settle. _________________ Video Encoding scripts collection | Project page |
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d2_racing Bodhisattva
Joined: 25 Apr 2005 Posts: 13047 Location: Ste-Foy,Canada
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Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 5:05 pm Post subject: |
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Me too, Thinkpad are great. |
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neepie n00b
Joined: 06 Dec 2009 Posts: 9
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Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 7:15 pm Post subject: |
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Thank you, this has been very helpful.
I'm looking at the Thinkpad T410 and it looks pretty nice. I think I'll go with that. The only annoying thing is that it ships within 9-18 business days. But I can live with that. |
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d2_racing Bodhisattva
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Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 8:15 pm Post subject: |
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Good luck with your new laptop
You will love it. |
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nixnut Bodhisattva
Joined: 09 Apr 2004 Posts: 10974 Location: the dutch mountains
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Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 6:06 pm Post subject: |
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merged above six posts here _________________ Please add [solved] to the initial post's subject line if you feel your problem is resolved. Help answer the unanswered
talk is cheap. supply exceeds demand |
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cwc Veteran
Joined: 20 Mar 2006 Posts: 1305 Location: Tri-Cities, WA USA
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Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 2:02 pm Post subject: |
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d2_racing wrote: | Me too, Thinkpad are great. |
I installed xp 32 bit on a Lenovo t61 and I really like it. I did have trouble with the sata drive.
Will it be a problem installing gentoo using a sata drive?
Now I need to decide which lenovo to purchase. _________________ Without diversity there can be no evolution:) |
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d2_racing Bodhisattva
Joined: 25 Apr 2005 Posts: 13047 Location: Ste-Foy,Canada
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Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 3:21 pm Post subject: |
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cwc wrote: | d2_racing wrote: | Me too, Thinkpad are great. |
I installed xp 32 bit on a Lenovo t61 and I really like it. I did have trouble with the sata drive.
Will it be a problem installing gentoo using a sata drive?
Now I need to decide which lenovo to purchase. |
Nope and for the record, it's because your XP didn't have the proper driver. At work, when I need to install a XP, I use a usb floppy disk that contains the sata driver from the lenovo site. |
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d2_racing Bodhisattva
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Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 3:22 pm Post subject: |
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cwc wrote: | d2_racing wrote: | Me too, Thinkpad are great. |
Will it be a problem installing gentoo using a sata drive?
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No, because you will need to use the AHCI module and the latest minimal CD or SystemRescueCD can handle that, sata drivers are very common these days |
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HeXiLeD Veteran
Joined: 20 Aug 2005 Posts: 1159 Location: Online
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Posted: Sat Sep 18, 2010 4:40 pm Post subject: |
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I am looking at this IBM Thinkpad laptop or very similiar. I have decided to buy an IBM and the thinkpad series are currently my preference.
Code: | Intel Core i7-620M Processor (2.66GHz, 4MB L3, 1066MHz)
15.6" HD+ (1600 x 900) 16:9 aspect Anti-Glare display with LED backlight and WWAN antenna
NVIDIA NVS3100M graphics with 512MB DDR3 Memory
2 GB PC3-8500 DDR3 SDRAM 1067MHz SODIMM Memory (1 DIMM)
500GB Hard Disk Drive, 7200rpm4
DVD Recordable, Ultrabay Enhanced
9 cell 2.8Ah Li-Ion Battery - Dual Mode
Intel WiFi Link 1000 (or another)
Integrated Mobile Broadband - Upgradable
Processor Intel Core i7-620M Processor (2.66GHz, 4MB L3, 1066MHz)
Operating system (will be linux of course)
Display type 15.6" HD+ (1600 x 900) 16:9 aspect Anti-Glare display with LED backlight and WWAN antenna
System graphics NVIDIA NVS3100M graphics with 512MB DDR3 Memory
Total memory 2 GB PC3-8500 DDR3 SDRAM 1067MHz SODIMM Memory (1 DIMM)
Keyboard US English Keyboard
Pointing device UltraNav (TrackPoint and TouchPad) with Fingerprint Reader
Camera 2.0M Pixel Camera
Hard drive 4 500GB Hard Disk Drive, 7200rpm
Optical device DVD Recordable, Ultrabay Enhanced
System expansion slots Express Card Slot & 5 in 1 Card Slot
Battery 9 cell 2.8Ah Li-Ion Battery - Dual Mode
Power cord 90W AC Adapter; NA, LA, (2pin)
Bluetooth Integrated Bluetooth PAN 2
WiFi wireless LAN adapters Intel WiFi Link 1000 (or better)
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This is my main option at the moment; however i have some questions regarding the hardware support for a few things like the wireless card:
The wireless options that i have for this and other models are :
- Intel WiFi Link 1000
- Intel Centrino Advanced-N 6200 AGN
- Intel Centrino Ultimate-N 6300 AGN
What is your experience or knowledge regarding these chips linux support and performance.
There are also other concerns about blue-tooth and web cam support . Does anyone knows their linux compatibility ?
And finally one last question is regarding the UltraNav (TrackPoint and TouchPad) with Fingerprint Reader. Linux supported ? _________________ Do you hear the sound of inevitability?
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Peach Advocate
Joined: 08 Mar 2003 Posts: 3686 Location: London, UK
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Posted: Sat Sep 18, 2010 4:58 pm Post subject: |
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HeXiLeD wrote: | I am looking at this IBM Thinkpad laptop or very similiar. I have decided to buy an IBM and the thinkpad series are currently my preference.
Code: | Intel Core i7-620M Processor (2.66GHz, 4MB L3, 1066MHz)
15.6" HD+ (1600 x 900) 16:9 aspect Anti-Glare display with LED backlight and WWAN antenna
NVIDIA NVS3100M graphics with 512MB DDR3 Memory
2 GB PC3-8500 DDR3 SDRAM 1067MHz SODIMM Memory (1 DIMM)
500GB Hard Disk Drive, 7200rpm4
DVD Recordable, Ultrabay Enhanced
9 cell 2.8Ah Li-Ion Battery - Dual Mode
Intel WiFi Link 1000 (or another)
Integrated Mobile Broadband - Upgradable
Processor Intel Core i7-620M Processor (2.66GHz, 4MB L3, 1066MHz)
Operating system (will be linux of course)
Display type 15.6" HD+ (1600 x 900) 16:9 aspect Anti-Glare display with LED backlight and WWAN antenna
System graphics NVIDIA NVS3100M graphics with 512MB DDR3 Memory
Total memory 2 GB PC3-8500 DDR3 SDRAM 1067MHz SODIMM Memory (1 DIMM)
Keyboard US English Keyboard
Pointing device UltraNav (TrackPoint and TouchPad) with Fingerprint Reader
Camera 2.0M Pixel Camera
Hard drive 4 500GB Hard Disk Drive, 7200rpm
Optical device DVD Recordable, Ultrabay Enhanced
System expansion slots Express Card Slot & 5 in 1 Card Slot
Battery 9 cell 2.8Ah Li-Ion Battery - Dual Mode
Power cord 90W AC Adapter; NA, LA, (2pin)
Bluetooth Integrated Bluetooth PAN 2
WiFi wireless LAN adapters Intel WiFi Link 1000 (or better)
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This is my main option at the moment; however i have some questions regarding the hardware support for a few things like the wireless card:
The wireless options that i have for this and other models are :
- Intel WiFi Link 1000
- Intel Centrino Advanced-N 6200 AGN
- Intel Centrino Ultimate-N 6300 AGN
What is your experience or knowledge regarding these chips linux support and performance.
There are also other concerns about blue-tooth and web cam support . Does anyone knows their linux compatibility ?
And finally one last question is regarding the UltraNav (TrackPoint and TouchPad) with Fingerprint Reader. Linux supported ? |
Hi HeXiLeD, I've recently bought a Lenovo T510 and I'm really happy with it. Everything works flawlessly, only thing that still have to test are several output plugs and Fn key combinations (e.g. I cannot get Fn+F7 binded via xbindkeys, and I'm not going to try the finger reader).
The one I've got has bluetooth, N 6200 intel wifi, camera, multi card reader, nvidia GT218 (3100M) gfx card and everything of this hardware works really well "straight out of the box" with gentoo (atm I'm using tuxonice sources).
I won't change it for anything else, well built (at least compared to my previous Vaio) and really good specs compared to price. _________________ Gentoo user since 2004.
"It's all fun and games, until someone loses an eye" - mom |
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HeXiLeD Veteran
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Posted: Sat Sep 18, 2010 5:20 pm Post subject: |
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What drivers are you using for the wireless, blue tooth and video camera?
Could you also post your lspci -vv ? _________________ Do you hear the sound of inevitability?
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Peach Advocate
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Posted: Sun Sep 19, 2010 11:08 pm Post subject: |
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here you can see the output of lspci -vvk _________________ Gentoo user since 2004.
"It's all fun and games, until someone loses an eye" - mom |
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Letharion Veteran
Joined: 13 Jun 2005 Posts: 1344 Location: Sweden
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Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 11:05 pm Post subject: FOSS perspective: Lenovo/Apple? |
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Work is going to get me a new laptop.
My choices are a Lenovo Thinkpad 410s or a MacBook Pro.
Would either be a better purchase?
The two main issues:
Hardware support: Will Linux work better or worse on either of them?
FOSS Friendlyness: To me, the thinkpad is an obvious choice because Apple isn't very open source friendly.
However, after some consideration, it strikes me that Apple (or Jobs?) is largely in favor of HTML5 rather than Flash, and have actually given the world OpenCL.
I'm not quite sure where Lenovo stands on the whole "Openness/Freedom" front.
Opinions or suggestions please
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dmpogo Advocate
Joined: 02 Sep 2004 Posts: 3267 Location: Canada
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Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 11:11 pm Post subject: Re: FOSS perspective: IBM(Lenovo)/Apple? |
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Letharion wrote: | Work is going to get me a new laptop.
My choices are a Lenovo(IBM) Thinkpad 410s or a MacBook Pro.
Would either be a better purchase?
The two main issues:
Hardware support: Will Linux work better or worse on either of them?
FOSS Friendlyness: To me, the thinkpad is an obvious choice because Apple isn't very open source friendly.
However, after some consideration, it strikes me that Apple (or Jobs?) is largely in favor of HTML5 rather than Flash, and have actually given the world OpenCL.
I'm not quite sure where IBM stands on the whole "Openness/Freedom" front.
Opinions or suggestions please |
What has IBM to do with Lenovo ? Thinkpad line was sold to Lenovo, which is quite an independent company. |
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Letharion Veteran
Joined: 13 Jun 2005 Posts: 1344 Location: Sweden
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Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 10:15 am Post subject: Re: FOSS perspective: IBM(Lenovo)/Apple? |
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dmpogo wrote: | What has IBM to do with Lenovo ? Thinkpad line was sold to Lenovo, which is quite an independent company. |
Oh, so that's where I got confused. I wasn't aware, and still thought of ThinkPad as IBM's. Changed my original post to reflect this. |
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Jaglover Watchman
Joined: 29 May 2005 Posts: 8291 Location: Saint Amant, Acadiana
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Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 10:20 am Post subject: |
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AFAIK those laptops that were sold as IBM and now are sold as Lenovo are made by Quanta. BTW, here in the US Lenovo refused to sell me a Thinkpad without Windows. |
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XQYZ Apprentice
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Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 11:25 am Post subject: |
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Jaglover wrote: | AFAIK those laptops that were sold as IBM and now are sold as Lenovo are made by Quanta. BTW, here in the US Lenovo refused to sell me a Thinkpad without Windows. |
Ask Apple if OS X is an optional purchase. If you buy complete PCs (which laptops usually are), then you'll have a hard time finding something without an OS. |
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Jaglover Watchman
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johskar n00b
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Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 7:48 pm Post subject: |
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My T410 works like a charm so far with Gentoo, highly recommended. |
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