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Which layout should we use for subforums? |
It's fine as it is |
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Adding an option in the profile to show/hide the subforums |
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Having javascript collapsable subforums |
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Add a server-side option to hide the subforums |
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Only showing links to the subforums |
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Indenting the subforums |
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Profile + javascript |
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Profile + server-side |
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Profile + links |
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Some other combination/option (please explain) |
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tomk Bodhisattva
Joined: 23 Sep 2003 Posts: 7221 Location: Sat in front of my computer
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Posted: Fri Apr 21, 2006 6:39 pm Post subject: Subforums layout |
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We've successfully tested the funtionality of the subforums, but before we add any support subforums we want to find out which layout would suit people best.
It's fine as it is:
http://dev.gentoo.org/~tomk/forums/screenshots/subforums_as_is.png
Adding an option in the profile to show/hide the subforums:
If set to show subforums then it would appear as it does now, otherwise it would hide all subfoums.
Having javascript collapsable subforums:
There would be a button which would show/hide each set of subforums, similar to http://gathering.tweakers.net/.
Add a server-side option to hide the subforums:
Same as the javascript option but with the code being run server-side, similar to only showing a certain category.
Only showing links to the subforums:
http://dev.gentoo.org/~tomk/forums/screenshots/subforums_links.png
Indenting the subforums:
http://dev.gentoo.org/~tomk/forums/screenshots/subforums_indented.png
Profile + javascript:
Having a profile option but with javascript collapsable layout, so if you set it to show subforums they will all be expanded otherwise they would all be collapsed.
Profile + server-side:
Same as Profile + javascript, but using server-side code.
Profile + links:
Setting the profile to show subforums would show them expanded, otherwise it should only show links to the subforums.
Some other combination/option (please explain):
If you've got a better solution please explain it, preferably with links to either a site that uses that layout or a screenshot. _________________ Search | Read | Answer | Report | Strip |
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Aries-Belgium l33t
Joined: 08 Jul 2005 Posts: 730 Location: Willebroek, Belgium
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Posted: Fri Apr 21, 2006 6:56 pm Post subject: |
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The option with "Javascript and a Profile option" has my vote.
The layout now is also okay, but it would be cool if this would be collapsable. _________________ Ep2.nl | Developers Community |
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kallamej Administrator
Joined: 27 Jun 2003 Posts: 4975 Location: Gothenburg, Sweden
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Posted: Fri Apr 21, 2006 8:49 pm Post subject: |
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I prefer the Profile + links alternative. _________________ Please read our FAQ Forum, it answers many of your questions.
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jmbsvicetto Moderator
Joined: 27 Apr 2005 Posts: 4734 Location: Angra do Heroísmo (PT)
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Posted: Fri Apr 21, 2006 9:19 pm Post subject: |
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I prefer the profile + javascript option. _________________ Jorge.
Your twisted, but hopefully friendly daemon.
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Coffee_drinker n00b
Joined: 16 Jun 2003 Posts: 24 Location: Delft, The Netherlands
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Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 9:37 am Post subject: |
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I like the way it works with gathering.tweakers.net. I'm using it for a long time and i'm quite happy with it.
It could be an improvement for f.g.o. IMO. |
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SirYes Apprentice
Joined: 15 Jan 2006 Posts: 282 Location: Lodz, Poland
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Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 9:53 am Post subject: |
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Javascript is cool UNLESS the forums are browsed in lynx/links - when doing manual installation using console. By default such browsers have no Javascript support compiled in (!). This is especially unfair for all arches except x86, when their respective LiveCD doesn't boot into a GNOME session (yet)...
So, profile + links could be an option, or profile + server-side (the least common denominator). Maybe the last one could be some kind of a fallback if the server detects that the browser in questions doesn't support Javascript? ASP.NET does this for a long time (and I know that this particular example is not "kosher" enough... ).
But there's one issue - visibility. Compare the current view:
Quote: | Polish
Witajcie na polskim forum uzytkowników Gentoo! Polski portal: www.gentoo.pl
Moderators muchar, Raku, Poe, arsen, milu, Global Moderators
|| Instalacja i sprzet
|| Pytania i problemy zwiazane z instalacja Gentoo oraz sprzetem
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with the one proposed in http://dev.gentoo.org/~tomk/forums/screenshots/subforums_links.png :
The subforums are almost invisible!
I'd suggest to at least mark the "Subforums:" text bold:
or better yet, all subforums:
And maybe some smaller graphic of the folder image could be added as well? (here I used the @ sign as a marker)
Anyway, I voted finally profile + javascript, because for my everyday use it would be great!
Just my POV _________________ My blog: In search for ultimate programming language |
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Deathwing00 Bodhisattva
Joined: 13 Jun 2003 Posts: 4087 Location: Dresden, Germany
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Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 10:47 am Post subject: |
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kallamej wrote: | I prefer the Profile + links alternative. |
Ditto... why did you add the "Profile + javascript"? I thought we decided that we would not implement that one for sure :/
Javascript = sucks |
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RiverRat n00b
Joined: 07 Oct 2004 Posts: 65 Location: Colorado
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Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 10:58 am Post subject: Another Option |
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How about a profile switch that is expanded/collapsed and then use the java to expanad/collapse the subforms? Basically, just select the original setting in the profile. Or for that matter make it all selectable, expand/collapse, links, indented, etc. within the profile. Just a thought. And I'm a n00b again, I resigned my Arch Tester status. _________________ RiverRat |
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mark_alec Bodhisattva
Joined: 11 Sep 2004 Posts: 6066 Location: Melbourne, Australia
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Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 12:04 pm Post subject: |
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An option in the profile to view the subforums as either indented or linked in the parent forum is what I would find most usable. |
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LinuxBlues l33t
Joined: 26 Mar 2005 Posts: 892
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Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 12:10 pm Post subject: |
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Profile+server side |
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castor_fou Apprentice
Joined: 23 May 2002 Posts: 249 Location: Clermont-Ferrand, France
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Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 12:12 pm Post subject: |
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we have a very active community around Gentoo and the forums are the cornerstone of this success.
However how does it work in other popular linux distribution ? Maybe we should look around at other linux forums (ubuntu of course, fedora, etc) to see if we can inspire to get more efficient forum.
I think that profile + server-side would be great (but I am pretty happy with the current layout, I would prefer seeing an improvement on the search engine) |
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Venceremos n00b
Joined: 14 Jan 2005 Posts: 45 Location: Gdansk, Poland
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Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 12:33 pm Post subject: |
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profile + javascript would be nice. I second the idea of improving the search engine. It could be much more usefull. |
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Maedhros Bodhisattva
Joined: 14 Apr 2004 Posts: 5511 Location: Durham, UK
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Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 12:47 pm Post subject: |
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Venceremos wrote: | I second the idea of improving the search engine. It could be much more usefull. |
Well, that's an ongoing project. This is something we can do now. _________________ No-one's more important than the earthworm. |
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eddymulyono n00b
Joined: 02 Jan 2004 Posts: 45 Location: Hayward, CA
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Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 2:28 pm Post subject: |
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I voted for profile + JS.
I am aiming to reduce our top-ten-busiest phpBB server's work. Using JS, hopefully the (phpBB) server only need to generate 1 version of the document, and don't do too much processing until the next posting.
I have another agenda voting for this option.
Let's think about how subforums are being used today.
It appears that people (forum admins?) use subforums mainly to contain translations/adaptations of English content to another language. We can safely assume that the ordinary Polish forum user Sergey doesn't visit the Italian forum very often. Then Sergey's profile should probably let him define "extra _language=PL". That way, when Sergey user logs in, he sees both the English content, and the Polish subforums expanded by JS, while other languages will be collapsed.
Implementing this "extra_language" should be feasible after we got the original "profile + JS" in place. |
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jmbsvicetto Moderator
Joined: 27 Apr 2005 Posts: 4734 Location: Angra do Heroísmo (PT)
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Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 3:25 pm Post subject: |
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eddymulyono,
I think there might be two problems with your suggestion:
1. Some users partiicipate in more than one national forum. They might prefer that extra_language be defined as a list, instead of a string. That way, all the forums present in that list would be expanded by default and the others collapsed.
2. This poll has been started with tomk stating that
tomk wrote: | We've successfully tested the funtionality of the subforums, but before we add any support subforums we want to find out which layout would suit people best. |
So we hope to have some sub-forums within support forums such as Installing Gentoo soon.
However, your idea for having national forums expanded or collapsed according to a user variable is interesting. Let's see if the admins think it's feasible. _________________ Jorge.
Your twisted, but hopefully friendly daemon.
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codergeek42 Bodhisattva
Joined: 05 Apr 2004 Posts: 5142 Location: Anaheim, CA (USA)
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Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 4:32 pm Post subject: |
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I think indentiing the subforums is the most viable option. as it's a great visual cue and - if implemented properly - works both in graphical browsers like Firefox as well as text-based browsers like Lynx.
Edit: Grammar fixups. _________________ ~~ Peter: Programmer, Mathematician, STEM & Free Software Advocate, Enlightened Agent, Transhumanist, Fedora contributor
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RlC Guru
Joined: 30 Jul 2005 Posts: 358 Location: austria
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Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 4:55 pm Post subject: |
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Indenting the subforums has my vote. please... no js |
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at240 l33t
Joined: 12 Aug 2005 Posts: 603 Location: UK
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Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 5:05 pm Post subject: |
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Profile + links seems sensible to me.
Would it be possible to set this up so that if the subforums are chosen to be expanded, they will be indented too? That would kill two birds with one stone. |
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Penguin of Wonder Apprentice
Joined: 17 Jan 2006 Posts: 280 Location: West Virginia
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Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 5:07 pm Post subject: |
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Indenting is very easy on the eyes, but also keeps the sub-forums within easy distance of the mainpage without reloading. If you must get rid of them though the profile option and perhaps the javascripts button option seem to be the two best ways. _________________ My Linux Blog
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pjp Administrator
Joined: 16 Apr 2002 Posts: 20067
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Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 5:12 pm Post subject: Re: Subforums layout |
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tomk wrote: | Profile + server-side:
Same as Profile + javascript, but using server-side code. | JavaScript just seems like a bad idea for a key element of navigation. _________________ Quis separabit? Quo animo? |
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MmmmJoel Tux's lil' helper
Joined: 24 Jan 2003 Posts: 82
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Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 6:02 pm Post subject: Re: Subforums layout |
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I think we should simply have different forums for each language:
forums.gentoo.de
forums.gentoo.be
etc....
This way they can each maintain their own structure and stay within their own search space. I personally don't like getting results of a search for a common term in 7 different languages. I don't see much value in keeping them all in one massive forum. |
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Deathwing00 Bodhisattva
Joined: 13 Jun 2003 Posts: 4087 Location: Dresden, Germany
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Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 6:32 pm Post subject: Re: Subforums layout |
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MmmmJoel wrote: | I think we should simply have different forums for each language:
forums.gentoo.de
forums.gentoo.be
etc....
This way they can each maintain their own structure and stay within their own search space. I personally don't like getting results of a search for a common term in 7 different languages. I don't see much value in keeping them all in one massive forum. |
For minoritary languages like Finnish or Greek, that is not viable. |
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pjp Administrator
Joined: 16 Apr 2002 Posts: 20067
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Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 6:36 pm Post subject: |
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de-forums.gentoo.org could work. _________________ Quis separabit? Quo animo? |
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MmmmJoel Tux's lil' helper
Joined: 24 Jan 2003 Posts: 82
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Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 6:40 pm Post subject: Re: Subforums layout |
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Deathwing00 wrote: | MmmmJoel wrote: | I think we should simply have different forums for each language:
forums.gentoo.de
forums.gentoo.be
etc....
This way they can each maintain their own structure and stay within their own search space. I personally don't like getting results of a search for a common term in 7 different languages. I don't see much value in keeping them all in one massive forum. |
For minoritary languages like Finnish or Greek, that is not viable. |
Why?
They wouldn't have 100 different forums like English does, but they could have one and scale as need be. |
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kallamej Administrator
Joined: 27 Jun 2003 Posts: 4975 Location: Gothenburg, Sweden
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Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 7:41 pm Post subject: Re: Subforums layout |
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MmmmJoel wrote: | ... stay within their own search space. I personally don't like getting results of a search for a common term in 7 different languages. I don't see much value in keeping them all in one massive forum. |
The international forums are not included in a standard "All available" search. You have to select them explicitly. _________________ Please read our FAQ Forum, it answers many of your questions.
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