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LumiNousiT n00b
Joined: 28 Dec 2002 Posts: 16 Location: UC Davis
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Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2003 5:09 am Post subject: Installing Gentoo from Knoppix |
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Hi, I've been a lurker for quite a while, yet only post occasionaly. I thought I might toss out my experience from installing from Knoppix. I found to be better for me as I was still able to use my computer during the long time that it takes for the bootstrap and base system compile.
1.) Boot from the Knoppix CD. It generally does a really good job of hardware detection. (Be warned you may have to add some boot options. I ended up passing "knoppix wheelmouse xvrefresh=75 screen=1600"
2.) By default Knoppix boots into a KDE 3.0 desktop. The first thing I did was open a konsole and typed "sudo passwd root". This lets you set the root password for Knoppix.
3.) Next, I su to root and typed "usermod -d /root -m root". This sets user roots home directory to /root (the Gentoo way) from /home/root (the Knoppix way). If you do not do this, then you will receive errors when emerging about "/home/root: not found" or something to that effect.
4.) I then typed "exit" and then su back into root. This loads the change that was made with the usermod command. At this point, you can pick up with the standard install documentation at step 6.
I hope someone else is able to make use out of this. It makes the install much less "painful" as the computer is fully useable. Thank you and good night. |
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piquadrat Guru
Joined: 18 Feb 2003 Posts: 301 Location: Switzerland
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Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2003 9:11 am Post subject: |
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Thank you! Might use that way for the next PC I'll go to install Gentoo |
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chadders Tux's lil' helper
Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 113
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Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2003 2:43 pm Post subject: |
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I love knoppix as a rescue and install cd. It is great to be able to user your computer for other stuff while compiling gentoo for 2 days
Chad |
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jmercer Tux's lil' helper
Joined: 15 Nov 2002 Posts: 95 Location: Newfoundland, Canada
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Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2003 4:58 pm Post subject: |
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I too have been using knoppix as my live cd although I hadn't set the root's home to /root or setup a password though. What I do once I boot into knoppix is "sudo su -" and then carry on. Best thing with this approach is that you can listen to music, have konqueror/fav browser open with the install instructions and goof around with the games while you fdisk, mount and install. You get the best of both worlds, a roll-up-your-sleeves gentoo installation and a fully functional kde environment with all the perks of home. Thanks LumiNousiT for starting this thread and making people aware of this alternate install method. |
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lannie n00b
Joined: 22 May 2002 Posts: 33
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Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2003 7:00 am Post subject: |
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Using Knoppix is a great way of installing gentoo IMHO (esp. for the modem users!) , why? because when i tried to use the 1.4RC2/RC3 boot cd, it always loved to stuff up at the cloop stage o_O (don't ask me why..) and u can use the computer as well
so what did i do to install gentoo?
1) pop knoppix cd into drive
2) boot computer
3) on the boot screen of knoppix, enter
then, let the hardware detect itself, and then u'll end up with a nice terminal with root access to all ur hardware
for extra use... which i find quite good considering that gentoo takes AGES to install..
just switch to a new virtual terminal (ALT + F2, F3 ...) just
kde should load up... and for me, i used kppp to connect myself onto the internet (wvdial didn't work for me) and yah... u can just browse the web or play a game of frozen bubble while u wait for gentoo to compile it self
-Lan |
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Jimbow Guru
Joined: 18 Feb 2003 Posts: 597 Location: Silver City, NM
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Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2003 10:22 am Post subject: |
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I think this is a great idea. Installing Gentoo from an existing X windowed Linux is much less painful.
The only downside I see is that we might get flooded with new users that have a lot to learn but don't want to. _________________ After Perl everything else is just assembly language. |
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chadders Tux's lil' helper
Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 113
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Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2003 6:42 pm Post subject: |
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Knoppix is great! I have been installing with knoppix for awhile and never had any problems.
Chad |
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iplayfast l33t
Joined: 08 Jul 2002 Posts: 642 Location: Cambridge On,CA
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Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2003 5:36 am Post subject: |
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What do you Knoppix installers think about this?
The idea is making a knoppix cd that is gentoofied. Knoppix can do a quick install to a hd. Do that, and then do a rebuild of the world. |
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joshmccormack n00b
Joined: 14 Mar 2003 Posts: 5
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Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2003 4:04 pm Post subject: knoppix installer |
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Do you use the info Knoppix generates from it's hardware detection?
There's a way to install Knoppix (Debian) to the hd from the CD, isn't there? Anyone want to work on customizing that to do a Gentoo install? Ideally with compressed sources on the CD. |
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Jimbow Guru
Joined: 18 Feb 2003 Posts: 597 Location: Silver City, NM
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Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2003 7:24 pm Post subject: Re: knoppix installer |
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joshmccormack wrote: |
There's a way to install Knoppix (Debian) to the hd from the CD, isn't there? Anyone want to work on customizing that to do a Gentoo install? Ideally with compressed sources on the CD. |
I am interested. I've downloaded a knoppix iso. I'm emerging burning tools now. Any suggestions a good burner gui for KDE? I tried xcdroaster but couldn't figure out how to burn a plain iso.
Edit:
Am burning now using cdrecord. Added the following function to my .bashrc Code: | burn () {
sudo cdrecord -v speed=8 dev=0,0,0 -data $1
} |
_________________ After Perl everything else is just assembly language. |
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chaos2 n00b
Joined: 04 Feb 2003 Posts: 5 Location: Germany Hamburg
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Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2003 12:17 am Post subject: Re: knoppix installer |
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A good burner gui is eroaster or Arson |
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iplayfast l33t
Joined: 08 Jul 2002 Posts: 642 Location: Cambridge On,CA
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Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2003 7:05 am Post subject: Re: knoppix installer |
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joshmccormack wrote: | Do you use the info Knoppix generates from it's hardware detection?
There's a way to install Knoppix (Debian) to the hd from the CD, isn't there? Anyone want to work on customizing that to do a Gentoo install? Ideally with compressed sources on the CD. |
That would be the idea. Possibly even setting USE and compile flags. The thing is that many people enjoy the manual install (I guess). And I found it fun myself the first 5 times.... Now I just want to plug in a CD and load up a generic gentoo, then rebuild the world.
When Knoppix loads onto the HD it doesn't do a very good job (compared to running off the CD). I really don't know enough about Debian but apparently the Knoppix install to a HD is supposed to turn into a debian system. It is close but not quite. Plus it seems that the configurations used on the CD aren't available after the HD Install. |
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TecHunter Tux's lil' helper
Joined: 15 Feb 2003 Posts: 124
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Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2003 1:01 pm Post subject: |
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i want to know if i can use adsl network connection after boot from the knoppix cd??? _________________ Gentoo is GREAT!!! |
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chadders Tux's lil' helper
Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 113
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Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2003 4:17 am Post subject: |
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Yep you can.
Chad |
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gsfgf Veteran
Joined: 08 May 2002 Posts: 1266
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Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2003 1:13 am Post subject: |
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NOT: if you're reinstalling, knoppix mounts drives according to their device name (/mnt/hda3, etc.) remember copying to dev/hda3 and /mnt/hda3 (however similar they look) is not the same. However, the xfs utils do a good job of restoring a corrumpted drive. _________________ Aim:gsfgf0 |
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tandoori n00b
Joined: 29 Apr 2003 Posts: 9 Location: Mississauga/Waterloo
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Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2003 2:54 pm Post subject: |
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chadders:
or anyone else for that matter...
i've been playing aroudn with knoppix again so i can reinstall gentoo with a gui...anyway
i can't seem to get adsl working...i've searched all over the forums and internet the only docs i can find are in german and really dont make sense to me
with gentoo i just needed to adsl-setup
adsl-start
i use sympatico high speed (standard adsl with a user name and password and server assigns everything else)
i was wondering if someone could tell me how to get it working in knoppix so i can not render my computer useless for 2 days during my install
thanks guys! |
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tandoori n00b
Joined: 29 Apr 2003 Posts: 9 Location: Mississauga/Waterloo
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Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2003 3:14 pm Post subject: |
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haha sorry guys i feel really stupid now
just fyi those of you who dont yet know
click on the K>system>dsl>dsl/pppoe config
wow i feel stupid
haha
sorry to bug you guys |
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thinair Tux's lil' helper
Joined: 01 Nov 2002 Posts: 144 Location: Suisse
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Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2003 9:20 am Post subject: |
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Don't forget to active dma and ata transfert rate this seem not to be done under the knoppix I am using :
Code listing 3.4: Setting DMA
Replace hdX with your disk device.
# hdparm -d 1 /dev/hdX Enables DMA
# hdparm -d1 -A1 -m16 -u1 -a64 /dev/hdX
(Enables DMA and other safe performance-enhancing options)
# hdparm -X66 /dev/hdX
(Force-enables Ultra-DMA -- dangerous -- may cause some drives to mess up) _________________ http://www.gentoofr.org
Le site francophone de GNU/Linux Gentoo |
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splat1 n00b
Joined: 02 Jul 2003 Posts: 6 Location: Leic, UK
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Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2003 11:09 pm Post subject: |
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thanks for this
as the apci module in the live cd kernel hangs some net-cards knoppix is a nice way to get around this
yes you can copy knoppix to a hdd but you will need to take out the sym links in /boot that point to the ram disk
hardwear dection based on the knoppix way of doing it for a gentoo live/install cd would get rid of this silly problem affecting most AMD uses _________________ [img:9c2fbefaf6]http://www.gamers-source.com/splat1/splat1-2.gif[/img:9c2fbefaf6] |
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TecHunter Tux's lil' helper
Joined: 15 Feb 2003 Posts: 124
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Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2003 12:55 am Post subject: |
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i've use knoppix to install gentoo several times,it's very good _________________ Gentoo is GREAT!!! |
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Chadduss n00b
Joined: 05 Jul 2003 Posts: 22
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Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2003 12:59 am Post subject: |
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I'm sorry to pull this thread out of the depths but to install gentoo through knoppix would you just boot "knoppix2" which will bring you to a command line and then just put in the gentoo live CD chroot and start the install? |
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TecHunter Tux's lil' helper
Joined: 15 Feb 2003 Posts: 124
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Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2003 1:01 am Post subject: |
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Chadduss wrote: | I'm sorry to pull this thread out of the depths but to install gentoo through knoppix would you just boot "knoppix2" which will bring you to a command line and then just put in the gentoo live CD chroot and start the install? | i always boot from Knoppix 2 to command line env _________________ Gentoo is GREAT!!! |
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Chadduss n00b
Joined: 05 Jul 2003 Posts: 22
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Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2003 1:03 am Post subject: |
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Well if knoppix detects the hardware then would gentoo compile the module support into the kernel? |
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LumiNousiT n00b
Joined: 28 Dec 2002 Posts: 16 Location: UC Davis
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Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2003 6:10 am Post subject: |
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It has been a very long time since my last post. I had some serious issues with a graphics card and a manufacturer that kept sending me the defective one back. Anyhoo, things seemed to have changed in the current version of Knoppix.
1.) You no longer need to sudo passwd to set the root password. Now all you need to do is type "su -" and you will switch to root user. Be warned it has no password. If this is a concern you should change it.
2.) Root's home in Knoppix is /root now and not /home/root so there is no longer any need for the usermod command. Makes the whole thing even easier.
I figured this out when I reinstalled after getting my replacement graphics card and hard drive.
Cheers,
LumiNousiT |
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XVaughnX n00b
Joined: 27 Jul 2003 Posts: 5
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Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2003 9:09 pm Post subject: |
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I'm about to give this a try, but.. well, pardon my n00b questions but...
Well, first off, my eth0 just wasn't working via the standard Gentoo install method, but with Knoppix autodetecting it (Knoppix runs off the CD 100%, asides from some sound problems) will Gentoo get it right too? If not, how do i look at Knoppix's settings and stick them in to Gentoo?
And I assume I can have the Knoppix CD in cda1, or whatever, and the Gentoo LiveCD with the tarballs in cda2, right?
Sorry, I just want to make sure before I jump in head first again, wasted a few hours trying to get Gentoo to work with my NIC/Microsoft router already.. looking forward to finally getting Gentoo running |
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