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 Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2003 4:53 am Post subject: windows faster? |
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it's probably just my feelings or something, but somehow in xp everything seems to run much faster than in linux.
for ex, open up ie -> 1 sec, open up mozilla -> 8 sec
hdparm -a2 -c1 -d1 -X66 -m16
CFLAGS="-march=athlon-tbird -O3 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer"
how else can we optimize gentoo?
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IE is loaded on boot. Mozilla has slow load times. I wouldn't worry about that andjust leave mozilla open. Also, iirc, there is a mozilla quickstarter that loads on boot and keeps most of mozilla loaded so it will open fast, using the same princilple MS uses w/ IE.
OO.org will also be slower than MS office just because not much work has gon into optimizations. If speed is important, check out gnome office (abiword, gnumeric, etc.) it's lighterweight (i think i've only used abiuword which is great), and almoast as full featured as MS and Open Office. Everything else should be noticeabley faster in linux (especially getnoo)
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| Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2003 8:10 am Post subject: Re: windows faster? |
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| lotusvale wrote: | it's probably just my feelings or something, but somehow in xp everything seems to run much faster than in linux.
for ex, open up ie -> 1 sec, open up mozilla -> 8 sec
hdparm -a2 -c1 -d1 -X66 -m16
CFLAGS="-march=athlon-tbird -O3 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer"
how else can we optimize gentoo? |
in my experience XP was WAY (and still is) slower than linux.
there are loaders for OOo and mozilla, which will load (OOo or mozilla) when you run them and then when you click on the loader's icon (and in case of OOo select which app you want to start) it'll start in no time 
just serch the portage tree
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| Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2003 8:24 am Post subject: Re: windows faster? |
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| lotusvale wrote: |
how else can we optimize gentoo? |
There is a package called prelink [now masked] that makes programs load significantly faster.
Mozilla is a bear. After many years with Netscape then Mozilla, I've switched over to Konqueror and it works really well for my needs. YMMVG. There are many other browsers available. I don't think any of them are bigger or slower than Mozilla (but I'm no expert). Many people seem to really like Galeon.
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| Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2003 8:37 am Post subject: |
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| gsfgf wrote: | IE is loaded on boot. Mozilla has slow load times. I wouldn't worry about that andjust leave mozilla open. Also, iirc, there is a mozilla quickstarter that loads on boot and keeps most of mozilla loaded so it will open fast, using the same princilple MS uses w/ IE.
OO.org will also be slower than MS office just because not much work has gon into optimizations. If speed is important, check out gnome office (abiword, gnumeric, etc.) it's lighterweight (i think i've only used abiuword which is great), and almoast as full featured as MS and Open Office. Everything else should be noticeabley faster in linux (especially getnoo) |
what exactly is OO.org? i've done some searching about OO.org and mozilla, and some people mentioned about gnomeOO
| Quote: | Another piece of software I've tried - OpenOffice.org 641d, the latest
stable build. It opens a lot faster than previous ones (even faster if
you use the Gnome OO applet - supposedly less than five seconds and
is looking _very_ good. The biggest Word doc I had was opened without a
problem, and it includes line drawings and all sorts. I'm pretty
impressed |
what is that?
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Gentoo is faster for me. It is the biggest reason for me to use Gentoo, actually. Win2k it is a little slower than Gentoo.
The apps that use in Gentoo give me more functionality and speed. 
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OO.org == Openoffice
As to mozilla slowness, well, that is mozilla 
I use galeon (the gtk2 version) myself, and have the galeon server load up on log on, so it starts in an instance |
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there are loaders for OOo and mozilla, which will load (OOo or mozilla) when you run them and then when you click on the loader's icon (and in case of OOo select which app you want to start) it'll start in no time
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Mm, I've searched and found nothing, could you give some names so I could build them? |
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| Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2003 2:29 pm Post subject: |
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| sgaap wrote: | | Quote: |
there are loaders for OOo and mozilla, which will load (OOo or mozilla) when you run them and then when you click on the loader's icon (and in case of OOo select which app you want to start) it'll start in no time
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Mm, I've searched and found nothing, could you give some names so I could build them? |
| Code: | [15:13@vc/1:ikiddo] emerge -S openoffice
Searching...
[ Results for search key : openoffice ]
[ Applications found : 5 ]
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* app-office/oooqs-1.0_rc3 [ Masked ]
Latest version available: 1.0_rc3
Latest version installed: [ Not Installed ]
Size of downloaded files: [no/bad digest]
Homepage: http://segfaultskde.berlios.de/index.php
Description: OpenOffice.org Quickstarter, runs in the KDE SystemTray.
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| iKiddo wrote: | | Code: | [15:13@vc/1:ikiddo] emerge -S openoffice
Searching...
[ Results for search key : openoffice ]
[ Applications found : 5 ]
[...]
* app-office/oooqs-1.0_rc3 [ Masked ]
Latest version available: 1.0_rc3
Latest version installed: [ Not Installed ]
Size of downloaded files: [no/bad digest]
Homepage: http://segfaultskde.berlios.de/index.php
Description: OpenOffice.org Quickstarter, runs in the KDE SystemTray.
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how does that make it to run faster?
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| lotusvale wrote: | | how does that make it to run faster? |
I was replying to the post above mine. That shouldn't be too hard to understand, should it?
I edited my post to clear it up. |
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| iKiddo wrote: | | lotusvale wrote: | | how does that make it to run faster? |
I was replying to the post above mine. That shouldn't be too hard to understand, should it?
I edited my post to clear it up. |
oh..ic sorry
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| Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2003 8:13 pm Post subject: Re: windows faster? |
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| lotusvale wrote: | it's probably just my feelings or something, but somehow in xp everything seems to run much faster than in linux.
for ex, open up ie -> 1 sec, open up mozilla -> 8 sec |
As others have pointed out, IE is preloaded when the OS loads, so it's not a fair comparison. Also, you can compare performance by loading IE in Windows and Mozilla in Linux and comparing the startup times. You are comparing two different apps. Why not compare (for example) load times of Mozilla in both OS'es, then the app would be the same, while the OS changes.
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| Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2003 11:36 pm Post subject: Re: windows faster? |
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| Evangelion wrote: | | lotusvale wrote: | it's probably just my feelings or something, but somehow in xp everything seems to run much faster than in linux.
for ex, open up ie -> 1 sec, open up mozilla -> 8 sec |
As others have pointed out, IE is preloaded when the OS loads, so it's not a fair comparison. Also, you can compare performance by loading IE in Windows and Mozilla in Linux and comparing the startup times. You are comparing two different apps. Why not compare (for example) load times of Mozilla in both OS'es, then the app would be the same, while the OS changes. |
except mozilla is more optimized for win32 and it still loads faster under gentoo
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| Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2003 11:53 pm Post subject: |
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like jimbow said , prelinking could be a nice idea.
I did prelink my system ( laptop p4 1.4gz/256Mb DDR ), and mozilla open in ~2 seconds.
also note that you can set some USE variable to avoid using some stuff like gtk2 or java.
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alright i'll take a look at prelinking more later.
btw, would prelinking the whole system be a good idea?
also , what side effects would i have if i have USE="-gtk2" ?
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I use prelink on all my system it works fine.
using -gtk2 will compile mozilla without gtk2 support ,making a lighter binarie.
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hehe I'm not a n00b anymore 
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| If Moz's loading times get to you I would suggest you try Galeon. It loads significantly faster for me. Plus, renicing X makes a WORLD of difference. |
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| magnet wrote: | I use prelink on all my system it works fine.
using -gtk2 will compile mozilla without gtk2 support ,making a lighter binarie. |
how would you prelink the whole system?
just with the command prelink -af ?
(at least that's what said in the guide..)
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| lotusvale wrote: | | magnet wrote: | I use prelink on all my system it works fine.
using -gtk2 will compile mozilla without gtk2 support ,making a lighter binarie. |
how would you prelink the whole system?
just with the command prelink -af ?
(at least that's what said in the guide..) |
It said "prelink -afmR" when I read it a few days ago. 
Working fine (and faster) btw.
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| Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2003 11:19 am Post subject: |
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yea prelink -amfR / should be enought, but I strongly advise you to read the man page , and the doc on gentoo's website.
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| Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2003 8:16 pm Post subject: |
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the prelink itselft too about 10 mn.
but I had some libs problems,I needed to recompile some stuff,
so about 1 hour 
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| Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2003 8:34 pm Post subject: |
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i emerge prelink, and this is the result
| Code: | root@localhost shadowrider # prelink -afmR
prelink: /usr/lib/libGLcore.so.1: Library without dependencies
prelink: /usr/X11R6/bin/uil: Could not parse `/usr/X11R6/bin/uil: error while loading shared libraries: libMrm.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory'
prelink: /usr/X11R6/bin/xmanimate: Could not parse `/usr/X11R6/bin/xmanimate: error while loading shared libraries: libMrm.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory'
prelink: /usr/X11R6/bin/fileview: Could not parse `/usr/X11R6/bin/fileview: error while loading shared libraries: libMrm.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory'
prelink: /usr/X11R6/bin/hellomotif: Could not parse `/usr/X11R6/bin/hellomotif: error while loading shared libraries: libMrm.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory'
prelink: /usr/X11R6/bin/periodic: Could not parse `/usr/X11R6/bin/periodic: error while loading shared libraries: libMrm.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory'
prelink: /usr/X11R6/bin/helloint: Could not parse `/usr/X11R6/bin/helloint: error while loading shared libraries: libMrm.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory'
prelink: /usr/bin/openjade: section file offsets not monotonically increasing
prelink: /usr/bin/avibench: Cannot prelink against non-PIC shared library /usr/lib/libvga.so.1
prelink: /usr/bin/ffmpeg: Cannot prelink against non-PIC shared library /usr/lib/libavcodec.so
prelink: /usr/lib/libdivxdecore.so: Not enough room to add .dynamic entry
prelink: /usr/bin/lavrec: Cannot prelink against non-PIC shared library /usr/lib
prelink: /usr/bin/avicat: Cannot prelink against non-PIC shared library /usr/lib
prelink: /usr/bin/playdv: Cannot prelink against non-PIC shared library /usr/lib
prelink: /usr/bin/ffserver: Cannot prelink against non-PIC shared library /usr/l
prelink: /usr/bin/mpeg2dec: Cannot prelink against non-PIC shared library /usr/l
prelink: /usr/lib/svgalib/demos/lineart: Cannot prelink against non-PIC shared l
prelink: /usr/lib/svgalib/demos/speedtest: Cannot prelink against non-PIC shared
prelink: /usr/bin/lav2wav: Cannot prelink against non-PIC shared library /usr/li
prelink: /usr/lib/svgalib/demos/svidtune: Cannot prelink against non-PIC shared
prelink: /usr/lib/svgalib/demos/bg_test: Cannot prelink against non-PIC shared l
prelink: /usr/bin/movtar_play: Cannot prelink against non-PIC shared library /us
prelink: /usr/bin/yuvplay: Cannot prelink against non-PIC shared library /usr/li
prelink: /usr/lib/svgalib/demos/testlinear: Cannot prelink against non-PIC share
prelink: /usr/bin/yuvscaler: Cannot prelink against non-PIC shared library /usr/
prelink: /usr/lib/svgalib/demos/accel: Cannot prelink against non-PIC shared lib
prelink: /usr/bin/restorepalette: Cannot prelink against non-PIC shared library
prelink: /usr/lib/svgalib/demos/eventtest: Cannot prelink against non-PIC shared
prelink: /usr/lib/libdivxencore.so: Not enough room to add .dynamic entry
prelink: /usr/bin/lav2divx: Cannot prelink against non-PIC shared library /usr/l
prelink: /usr/lib/svgalib/theeDKit/plane: Cannot prelink against non-PIC shared
prelink: /usr/bin/lavtrans: Cannot prelink against non-PIC shared library /usr/l
prelink: /usr/bin/kv4lsetup: Cannot prelink against non-PIC shared library /usr/
prelink: /usr/bin/lavplay: Cannot prelink against non-PIC shared library /usr/li
prelink: /usr/lib/svgalib/demos/forktest: Cannot prelink against non-PIC shared
prelink: /usr/bin/lavaddwav: Cannot prelink against non-PIC shared library /usr/
prelink: /usr/bin/avitype: Cannot prelink against non-PIC shared library /usr/li
prelink: /usr/lib/svgalib/demos/joytest: Cannot prelink against non-PIC shared l
prelink: /usr/bin/avimake: Cannot prelink against non-PIC shared library /usr/li
prelink: /usr/bin/encodedv: Cannot prelink against non-PIC shared library /usr/l
prelink: /usr/bin/lavinfo: Cannot prelink against non-PIC shared library /usr/li
prelink: /usr/bin/yuv2lav: Cannot prelink against non-PIC shared library /usr/li
prelink: /usr/lib/svgalib/demos/linearfork: Cannot prelink against non-PIC share
prelink: /usr/bin/restorefont: Cannot prelink against non-PIC shared library /us
prelink: /usr/bin/restoretextmode: Cannot prelink against non-PIC shared library
prelink: /usr/bin/divxdec: Cannot prelink against non-PIC shared library /usr/li
prelink: /usr/lib/svgalib/demos/testaccel: Cannot prelink against non-PIC shared
prelink: /usr/bin/pnm2rtj: Cannot prelink against non-PIC shared library /usr/li
prelink: /usr/bin/lav2yuv: Cannot prelink against non-PIC shared library /usr/li
prelink: /usr/lib/svgalib/theeDKit/wrapdemo: Cannot prelink against non-PIC shar
prelink: /usr/lib/svgalib/demos/spin: Cannot prelink against non-PIC shared libr
prelink: /usr/lib/svgalib/demos/linearspeed: Cannot prelink against non-PIC shar
prelink: /usr/bin/yuv2divx: Cannot prelink against non-PIC shared library /usr/l
prelink: /usr/bin/rtjshow: Cannot prelink against non-PIC shared library /usr/li
prelink: /usr/bin/avirec: Cannot prelink against non-PIC shared library /usr/lib |
then from the guide, here's how to fix svgalib:
| Code: | root@localhost shadowrider # emerge ">=media-libs/svgalib-1.9.16"
Calculating dependencies
!!! all ebuilds that could satisfy ">=media-libs/svgalib-1.9.16" have been masked.
!!! Error calculating dependancies. Please correct.
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