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PostPosted: Wed Feb 05, 2003 10:55 pm    Post subject: Playing videos crashes Xfree! Reply with quote

Hi,

I have a problem with Xfree that's been bugging me for a while. I searched about this but none of the solutions were related or worked. My problem is that sometimes when i try to play a video (normally with totem, mplayer or aviplay) xfree crashes and bring me back to the gdm login screen (closing all my other programs). It happens at random and generally in the first few times after a reboot. After a crash i log back in and i can play video for a while without any problem.

I'm using nvidia's 31xx drivers (i have a Geforce 440MX) because the new 4xxx series have horible 2d performances. I'm using the last stable Xfree version in portage and using the last stable version of the previously mentionned video players. I've had this bug since Gentoo 1.2...

Anyone can help me? Or in the case of RTFM could point me to the right info?

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 06, 2003 1:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had this with some versions of xfree and the nvidia drivers, disabling DGA fixed it for me
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 06, 2003 3:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the tip but i don't think it's enabled, i never touched that option but i have this in my XF86Config file:

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    SubSection  "extmod"
      Option    "omit xfree86-dga"   # don't initialise the DGA extension
    EndSubSection


And i have no traces of DGA messages in my Xfree log.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 06, 2003 3:41 pm    Post subject: X on console 8 after reboot Reply with quote

i have the same prob with mplayer and the nvidia chip. i tried all releases of X, but nothing seems to work.
sometimes after a reboot my X starts on console 8. after launching mplayer X crashes and restarts itself on console 7. after that everything works fine.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 06, 2003 4:21 pm    Post subject: Re: X on console 8 after reboot Reply with quote

evilcoder wrote:
i have the same prob with mplayer and the nvidia chip. i tried all releases of X, but nothing seems to work.
sometimes after a reboot my X starts on console 8. after launching mplayer X crashes and restarts itself on console 7. after that everything works fine.
Yes that's exactly my problem. I've never noticed that X was started on console 8 before... very weird.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 10, 2003 7:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

*Bump*

Can somebody help? Are there any other people that have this problem?
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 10, 2003 8:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

have you also made sure that you have removed dri and GLcore in the "Module" section?
here is mine (I think I had to add glx), the rest were defaults.
Code:
Section "Module"
        #Load   "GLcore"
        Load    "bitmap"
        Load    "dbe"
        Load    "ddc"
        #Load   "dri"
        Load    "extmod"
        Load    "freetype"
        Load    "glx"
        Load    "int10"
        Load    "record"
        Load    "speedo"
        Load    "type1"
        Load    "vbe"
EndSection
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 10, 2003 9:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the answers, here is mine, i'll try yours when i get home:

Code:
Section "Module"

# This loads the DBE extension module.

    Load        "dbe"   # Double buffer extension

# This loads the miscellaneous extensions module, and disables
# initialisation of the XFree86-DGA extension within that module.
    SubSection  "extmod"
      Option    "omit xfree86-dga"   # don't initialise the DGA extension
    EndSubSection

# This loads the Type1 and FreeType font modules
    Load        "type1"
    Load        "freetype"

# This loads the GLX module
    Load       "glx"
EndSection
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2003 2:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have this problem too. Tried almost everything and it happens with gentoo 1.4 and 1.2 likewise. Only sporadically (2 times a day..) Do not open video's when you have unsaved info open.. :)

When it does work, it works relaay great!

Do you by any chance have an athlon running on a VIA chipset?
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2003 7:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

aardvark wrote:
I have this problem too. Tried almost everything and it happens with gentoo 1.4 and 1.2 likewise. Only sporadically (2 times a day..) Do not open video's when you have unsaved info open.. :)

When it does work, it works relaay great!

Do you by any chance have an athlon running on a VIA chipset?
Yes i have an Athlon 900mhz on a VIA chipset (motherboard is Asus A7V133).
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2003 7:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MaGNuS_Z wrote:
aardvark wrote:
I have this problem too. Tried almost everything and it happens with gentoo 1.4 and 1.2 likewise. Only sporadically (2 times a day..) Do not open video's when you have unsaved info open.. :)

When it does work, it works relaay great!

Do you by any chance have an athlon running on a VIA chipset?
Yes i have an Athlon 900mhz on a VIA chipset (motherboard is Asus A7V133).


Well I have a duron @900 on a A7V so maybe there's something to do with the kt133(a) chipset as used by asus. More people on this?

Are you using the kernel AGP driver or the nvidia one?
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 19, 2003 4:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm using the Nvidia one because i read it was more stable than agpgart...
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 19, 2003 7:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have this problem as well. I have Nvidia's TNT2 an Via Apollo PRO133 chipset. And i asume that is a hardware problem, because i had when i was using SuSE 7.1, what was about 1 year ago.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 19, 2003 8:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think this problem is caused by the way the kernel manages memory. When there isn't enough memory to allocate, it kills the process using the most memory, namely X. This problem is fixed by the rmap patch to the linux kernel (included in ck-sources, latest gentoo-sources).

Anyway, this problem used to always happen to me, and after using ck-sources, its never happened.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 19, 2003 11:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

my memory is hardly filled to the limit however...
But I'll try those ck-sources, yes.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 19, 2003 5:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Phreakazoid_ wrote:
This problem is fixed by the rmap patch to the linux kernel (included in ck-sources, latest gentoo-sources).
Do you mean this patch is included in the latest gentoo-sources (-r10) or i must have the latest gentoo-sources *and* the ck-sources patch?

BTW, thank you very much, i really hope it will fix this problem. Now if i could fix my jumpy mouse behavior...
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 19, 2003 6:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MaGNuS_Z wrote:
Phreakazoid_ wrote:
This problem is fixed by the rmap patch to the linux kernel (included in ck-sources, latest gentoo-sources).
Do you mean this patch is included in the latest gentoo-sources (-r10) or i must have the latest gentoo-sources *and* the ck-sources patch?

BTW, thank you very much, i really hope it will fix this problem. Now if i could fix my jumpy mouse behavior...


About the mouse: have you reniced X already? That fixed my jumpy mouse
it is on nice -15 now, so prett agressive :)

here's a script I have executed last in /etc/conf.d/local.start in the bacground
Code:

X_up &

It's called X_up as you van see and it will poll if X is running and if so renice it.
This is quite crude, but it works for me :) (I'm not a programmer)

Code:

#!/bin/bash
##########################################################
## renicing X when *DM is used for smoother operation
## sleeping until X is running. Only works for 1 instance (I think)
##########################################################

## Intitial renice

sleep 5
renice -15 -p `ps -C X -o pid | tail -n 1` > /dev/null

## Further checking
while true
do
    sleep 20
    renice -15 -p `ps -C X -o pid | tail -n 1` > /dev/null
done
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 19, 2003 11:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

By jumpy mouse i meant eratic behavior. Sometimes my mouse jumps anywhere in the screen and clicks randomly. I can go for hours without experiencing the problem but then it happens like 4-5 times in 1 minute... very annoying. I tried to plug my mouse in USB (by removing the adaptor) but for some reason the mouse's light goes off and the mouse don't respond... and it continues to work after a couple of seconds. My mouse is an Microsoft Intellimouse Explorer...

As far as i remember i didn't have any problem with Mandrake but Suse did the same thing.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 20, 2003 2:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As far as the original problem, I had occasional crashes of mplayer when using SDL as my video output. Using -vo xv fixed that, or in ~/.mplayer/config, add

vo=xv

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 20, 2003 5:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Twist wrote:
As far as the original problem, I had occasional crashes of mplayer when using SDL as my video output. Using -vo xv fixed that, or in ~/.mplayer/config, add

vo=xv

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I mainly use totem (based on xine) and aviplay. I don't think neither of them uses SDL... i could be wrong though.

Are you talking about crashes of mplayer or X when using mplayer?
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 20, 2003 6:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I mainly use totem (based on xine) and aviplay. I don't think neither of them uses SDL... i could be wrong though.


Hmm, actually I don't know on Xine, good question. Never use Totem myself, but you did say you had the same issue with mplayer in the original post, and this was my cure for that with mplayer. However, we could be seeing unrelated crashes.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 08, 2003 10:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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MaGNuS_Z wrote:
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I have this problem too. Tried almost everything and it happens with gentoo 1.4 and 1.2 likewise. Only sporadically (2 times a day..) Do not open video's when you have unsaved info open.. :)

When it does work, it works relaay great!

Do you by any chance have an athlon running on a VIA chipset?
Yes i have an Athlon 900mhz on a VIA chipset (motherboard is Asus A7V133).


Well I have a duron @900 on a A7V so maybe there's something to do with the kt133(a) chipset as used by asus. More people on this?

Are you using the kernel AGP driver or the nvidia one?


Ok SO I moved to a sis chipset and the problem persists wether I use the kernel or nvidia agp driver.
All I will add to this is that every time I hear people talking about blue- screen-this-and-that, I will know I can not take them seriously and mock them..:(
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2003 4:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok, the problem had dissapeard for a while, but now I 've built a completely new gentoo rc4 installation, it has returned... with the same XF86Config file :(

This makes me a bit sad. Is this really a problem that bugs so few people that it isn't being fixed? Maybe it IS my TNT II card that causes the problem, but that card is just fine and will run painlessly on other os-es. I ruled out my chipset , becuase I now have a mobo with a sis chip.

I wish I could fix it myself, but my resources are too limited for that ;)
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2003 7:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The problem hasn't showed up in a while on my machine... Since then i upgraded KDE, Gnome, Xfree, all my videos players, etc... so i don't really know what fixed it (or if it's really fixed). Sorry i can't help you with this one.

I still have my weird fonts size problem, where xfree would start with tiny fonts until i kill it. Another very strange problem. :roll:
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 28, 2003 11:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shite ... the problem is worsenening again. I sometimes think I found the fix by changing a setting, but it comes back nevertheless.
Today was a BAD day. It happens for every user that logs in every time you first start a video application (xv is opened) fot the first time. After that X restarts on another console (Alt-F8) and movies never crash again for that session. A ssoon as the next user logs in ... boom!
One "user" on the machine has more luck. And for that "one" it also does happen but very rarely. I also saw it happen with another nvidia card I put in my PC for testing.

SO I guess I'll start a summary:

I had the problem with:
-All nvidia driver up til the very latest "unstable" one
-Xfree 4.2.0, 4.2.1, 4.3.0
-I had fam running (othewise I can't unmount CDroms :( )
-My kernels always contained preempt (differnt kernels: gentoo ck lolo)
-It happened with nv agp and kernel agp
-It happened with emu10k1 and pci128 sound
-It happened with oc-ed and non-oc-ed duron CPU
-It happened with a sis chipset and VIA chipset
-I mainly use a tnt II pro card from elsa, but it happens too with an aopen gf2-400mx
-DGA on or off...it happens
-GCC 2.9x or 3.x , don't care

Basically specific hardware error is ruled out I suppose...except the CPU and or ram.
cflags: CFLAGS="-march=athlon-tbird -O2 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer -mmmx -m3dnow -falign-functions=4 -ffast-math"

I am lost here. This must be fixable somehow. You can imagine this is a showstopper.. I am not a coder, had to focus my time on other things.. so a "try debugging it yourself" option is not an option.. :)
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