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PostPosted: Wed Jan 29, 2003 6:39 pm    Post subject: vinyl to wav Reply with quote

I have my turntable mixer hooked up to my audio card's input and I would like to record from records to wav. What are the best programs to do this. Ideally it would be able to detect track seperation, as well as removed noise, cracks, and hiss.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2003 1:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been down this road too. The best utility I've found is gramofile.

The user interface is a bit crude by today's standards but it comes with a variety of filters. It's also quite good at splitting & labeling tracks.

Take a look at http://panic.et.tudelft.nl/~costar/gramofile/
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2003 6:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks cool, is it in their an ebuild? An emerge -s gramofile returned no results?
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2003 10:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't believe there is an ebuild for this. I'll bet only a very small percentage of gentoo users have seen a vinyl LP and even fewer know what a 78 is.

I haven't used grammofile in over a year. I remember having problems getting it to compile. I also had lots of problems getting my turntable to work correctly with my sound card. I had the usual problems with impedence mis-matches and the problems dealing RIAA equalization. A good preamp is essential.

Gramofile was OK at removing pops and pretty good at splitting tracks.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 01, 2003 2:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks, I have the turntable hooked up to a Vestax mixer that has a good preamp. I'll give it a try.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 01, 2003 6:17 am    Post subject: Gramofile then gcdmaster Reply with quote

I concur that gramofile is a great choice. It's very easy to build and works with OSS sound drivers (If I remember correctly).

After you de-hiss and de-pop the captured audio using gramofile; I usually open the whole wave in gcdmaster. Append the second side of the record, and then add the tracks exactly where I want them. If you burner supports DAO (Disk At Once) you can have gcdmaster not put in the 2-second gaps (pre-gaps).

I've converted some old disco records for fun. Can anyone say "MacArthur Park Suite - Donna Summers (I think)"? :oops:

Additionally, if the audio is short (like <50 mins) then it may be possible to create a CD-Extra (mixed mode) disk. The last track could be data of the .mp3 or .ogg of the CD. I've done this a few times also. It's Trickier but makes sharing with friends and relatives easier.

And of course -- Have FUN.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 01, 2003 10:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Depending on your needs, you may try:

http://www.audiocutter.de

although it's not Open Source.

You may find an overview about sounds editors for linux here:

http://linux-sound.org/snded.html
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 01, 2003 9:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does anyone know if Gramofile will work with ALSA?
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2003 3:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I might have to give gramofile a try, although I really love rezound's interface for a sound editor. I also hope I can get the same sound quality I get when using Goldwave in Windows. But hey, I love to use Linux for as much as I can, so I think I'm going to experiment. My girl wants me to burn her some Police lps :).
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2003 5:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

slam_head wrote:
Does anyone know if Gramofile will work with ALSA?


With the oss-emulation, yes.

And there is an ebuild for gramofile (I submitted it several weeks ago). I hope the correct version is now in portage (if it fails to compile emerge fftw first)

btw: I'm working on an ebuild for gwc (gnome wave cleaner) but so far I had several troubles compiling it.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2003 6:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just noticed the ebuild for gramofile, thanks! How come you haven't made an ebuild from the patched versions of Gramofile on freshmeat?
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2003 6:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

the ebuild contains the patches for the CMF-3 filter.
I'll have a look if there is some more stuff on freshmeat...

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2003 6:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I didn't actually look very hard into the ebuild, but here is a link to the page with patches: http://nebuchadnezzar.zion.cz/gramofile.php . I just noticed that the ebuild said version 1.6, and these patches are 1.6-vdx .
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2003 6:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm a bit interested in this too, but I'm worried my sound card wont be good enough. Have anyone done anything like this with some success with a ES1371 or equivalent?
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2003 6:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thx for the link, I didn't know this so far.
...and the changelog looks quite promising.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2003 7:58 pm    Post subject: I use ES1371 Reply with quote

bkhl wrote:
I'm a bit interested in this too, but I'm worried my sound card wont be good enough. Have anyone done anything like this with some success with a ES1371 or equivalent?


I've used the ES1371 chipset with gramofile. It was in a K6-2 350MHz. Things worked well.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2003 9:50 pm    Post subject: Re: I use ES1371 Reply with quote

Cool 8) I'll try it out, then.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2003 7:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Checkout 'ecasound' . I've used it for recording LPs,
and there is an ebuild for it (masked).

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PostPosted: Thu May 27, 2004 7:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did anybody have any luck with this? I'm about to try and convert my mom's vinyl collection to wavs.
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PostPosted: Thu May 27, 2004 7:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Try: gramofile

Works just great!

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2004 2:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I recorded the tape successfully to wav and located the tracks, a word to the slow (like me) you (generic) have to use the output.wav file to process it, don't feed it output.wav.tracks or it'll yell at you.

Thanks for your help etnt :)

Now on to copying tapes and vinyl at 1x :D
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 15, 2004 1:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Minor problem, I got one recorded beautifully, but for some reason now I have massive amounts of treble amplification and static on my recordings. I tried the one which worked the first time another time and it now too is distorted.

I suspect my volume settings are off but even when setting Master PCM and Mic to 33% I get the distortion. Turning Mic boost on or off doesn't affect the distortion at all.

What volume levels were you able to record successfully at?

Thanks in advance,
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 15, 2004 6:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

When converting vinyls to digital audio, you should really keep the non-processed .wav files somewhere. Denoising filters get better all the time, and ruining the only recording you have with a bad filter is not a happy experience.

If you keep the untouched .wavs you can always go back to how it sounded on the record.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 16, 2004 2:09 pm    Post subject: Use 'line in' & a proper pre-amp Reply with quote

TealVeal,

Be sure your running your record player through a phono input of a receiver and sending a 'line out' of the receiver to your computers 'line in'. The 'microphone inpu't is designed for different hardware
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 16, 2004 11:35 pm    Post subject: boo Reply with quote

Thanks for the tips, I will buy a wire which will let me hook the speaker output into the computer's line in rather than piping it over the headphon->microphone line.

I'm curious, in "alsamixer" which controls the volume of the line-in? When I was using audacity the only time I got any sort of input was when I had the mic-in hooked up.
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