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PostPosted: Wed Jan 12, 2005 12:27 am    Post subject: Hot Babe and Gentoo? (Possibly Offensive Packages?) Reply with quote

http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=04/12/27/1535248

Summary:


There is a CPU monitoring application that starts with with a fully clothed woman, and as CPU usage gets higher, more and more clothes come off of her, leaving her completely naked.

The Debian community has debated including this as a package a lot, due to its possibly offensive nature. But Debian also maintains packages for religious texts, the Anarchism FAQ, etc.

This comes down to a question of free speech and of organizational responsibility.

In the past this discussion has come up in Gentoo and resulted in the "offensive" USE flag for offensive package components. Is there a similarly prescribed method for handling possibly offensive packages?

[Developers] Are there some kind of formal / informal package / ebuild content guidelines for gentoo?

Just curious and seeing what people's opinions are...

Chris

PS - Yes, there is an e-build apparently @ the site (http://dindinx.net/hotbabe/index.php).
http://dindinx.net/hotbabe/gentoo/hot-babe-ebuild.tar.bz2


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 12, 2005 12:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

From what I've seen the general consensus seems to be "there's the offensive USE flag, you can set it to avoid offensive stuff, and therefore there should be no problem including potentially offensive stuff in portage as long it's not installed by default".

I think that's a fine stance.

There appears to be a tendency to apply a (sorry to call it that) "american" definition of "offensive content", disregarding that in most parts of the western world it's a non-issue to say "fuck" on the radio or show nipples in normal evening TV programming etc.

But then, who cares, really.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 12, 2005 12:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anyone who installs a package named "hot-babe" and gets offended, deserves it.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 12, 2005 1:20 am    Post subject: Re: Hot Babe and Gentoo? (Possibly Offensive Packages?) Reply with quote

chris4amd wrote:
Summary:

There is a CPU monitoring application that starts with with a fully clothed woman

No, it's a cartoon of a woman. :-P Not that you're alone in making this mistake - many of the participants in the original discussion on debian-devel weren't aware of this distinction, either. Anyway, please let's not propagate this misinformation any further.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 12, 2005 1:45 am    Post subject: Re: Hot Babe and Gentoo? (Possibly Offensive Packages?) Reply with quote

Syntaxis wrote:
chris4amd wrote:
Summary:

There is a CPU monitoring application that starts with with a fully clothed woman

No, it's a cartoon of a woman. :-P Not that you're alone in making this mistake - many of the participants in the original discussion on debian-devel weren't aware of this distinction, either. Anyway, please let's not propagate this misinformation any further.
I don't think wjether or not it's a cartoon of a woman is really the issue. Besides the fact that a drawing isn't really any less potentially offensive than a photograph, what would we do with a similar package but with a photograph instead? Would it be different to what would be done with this package? Why? Where exactly is the line?
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 12, 2005 1:53 am    Post subject: Re: Hot Babe and Gentoo? (Possibly Offensive Packages?) Reply with quote

Syntaxis wrote:
chris4amd wrote:
Summary:

There is a CPU monitoring application that starts with with a fully clothed woman

No, it's a cartoon of a woman. :-P Not that you're alone in making this mistake - many of the participants in the original discussion on debian-devel weren't aware of this distinction, either. Anyway, please let's not propagate this misinformation any further.


Thank you for pointing that out. I apologize if it was misleading, but my original questions and thoughts still stand because regardless of nudity real or animated it stil has a potential to offend others.

Chris

PS - I personally am not offended by the above, but I was wondering the stance of the community and the developers of Gentoo. If we get into who is offended and who isn't and why, this post might as well descend into OTW.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 12, 2005 1:58 am    Post subject: Re: Hot Babe and Gentoo? (Possibly Offensive Packages?) Reply with quote

chunderbunny wrote:
Besides the fact that a drawing isn't really any less potentially offensive than a photograph, what would we do with a similar package but with a photograph instead? Would it be different to what would be done with this package? Why? Where exactly is the line?

Do you really not agree that a greater number of people are likely to be offended by the real thing than by an artist's crude representation?

And more issues were raised than just simple concerns about personal prudishness. For example, with the addition of things like hot-babe to the archive, would the sale/distribution of an official Debian Sarge CD set to someone under the age of 18 within the US now constitute illegal distribution of pornography to a minor? I hope you can see that there'd be far more grounds to take that concern seriously if it were photos of a real flesh-and-blood woman we were talking about here.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 12, 2005 2:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good point....you'd have to slap on some sort of US 'morality' watchdog rating sticker on any linux distro that shipped with hot-babe.... "MA or Teen" to protect yourself from any lawsuits resulting of some minor getting this naked woman (yes its a cartoon but doesnt mean someone still wont sue) on his or her desktop. Then you'd get some stores (out of the MILLIONS who ship Linux ......;) ) who refused to carry it because of their stance on 'offensive' material.

I would think that an appropriate stance is to make it availble for download but not ship it for sale. Potentially offensive material WILL get labeled at some point, and then you won't get it shipped to Wal-Mart or Target..... (even if they had any distros I dont think I'd buy them there anyhow) . I could care less about any software I bought, but if my daughter could buy software with naked people and it wasnt clearly labeled, I know I'd be pretty upset.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 12, 2005 2:35 am    Post subject: Re: Hot Babe and Gentoo? (Possibly Offensive Packages?) Reply with quote

Syntaxis wrote:
more issues were raised than just simple concerns about personal prudishness. For example, with the addition of things like hot-babe to the archive, would the sale/distribution of an official Debian Sarge CD set to someone under the age of 18 within the US now constitute illegal distribution of pornography to a minor? I hope you can see that there'd be far more grounds to take that concern seriously if it were photos of a real flesh-and-blood woman we were talking about here.

Whether thay be flesh-and-blood or an artist's rendition, no one would ever suggest such a package be in an official CD set, so I don't see what the problem is with them being in an online archive.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 12, 2005 4:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ebuild someone? :evil:
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 12, 2005 4:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

gnuageux wrote:
ebuild someone? :evil:













































Learn to scroll down....

http://dindinx.net/hotbabe/download.php
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 12, 2005 5:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

freeix: LOL Ive been at work too long! Heh amusing for a minute or two
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 12, 2005 5:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't never get ebuilds to work. When will they add it to the rest of the portage stuff? Sounds like I would have to run glxgears, a lot. :lol:

I'm not telling you what is on my KDE slideshow. I bet it would affend some though. Let's just say I like the google image search feature and a few nasty words. :wink:

Later

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 12, 2005 5:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

well here's a primer...
Code:
mkdir /usr/local/portage
echo "PORTDIR_OVERLAY=/usr/local/portage" >> /etc/make.conf
cd /usr/local/portage
wget http://dindinx.net/hotbabe/gentoo/hot-babe-ebuild.tar.bz2
tar -xfjpf hot-babe-ebuild.tar.bz2
emerge hot-babe

That really should work.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 12, 2005 5:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
i'm not telling you what is on my KDE slideshow. I bet it would affend some though. Let's just say I like the google image search feature and a few nasty words.


URL? hehe
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 12, 2005 6:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

gnuageux wrote:

URL? hehe


It's from all over the net. There is some strange stuff out there. :oops: :oops:

I got to redo my partitions now. I'm going to lose my 62 days uptime too. :cry: :cry: I think I'll cry for a bit first, then redo the partitions.

Later

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 12, 2005 6:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just to rub it in:
Code:
gw@m ~$ ssh ns1
gw@ns1's password:
Last login: Fri Sep 17 02:17:56 2004 from
Sun Microsystems Inc.   SunOS 5.8       Generic February 2000
gw@st ~$ uptime
 11:43pm  up 252 day(s),  6:16,  1 user,  load average: 0.25, 0.28, 0.34

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 12, 2005 6:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dalek wrote:
Sounds like I would have to run glxgears, a lot. :lol:

Better yet cpuburn.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 12, 2005 7:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

gnuageux wrote:
Just to rub it in:
Code:
gw@m ~$ ssh ns1
gw@ns1's password:
Last login: Fri Sep 17 02:17:56 2004 from
Sun Microsystems Inc.   SunOS 5.8       Generic February 2000
gw@st ~$ uptime
 11:43pm  up 252 day(s),  6:16,  1 user,  load average: 0.25, 0.28, 0.34


:P :P :P :P

:lol: :lol:
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 12, 2005 7:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

with setiathome running 24h this chick is naked all the time. gets boring you know:)
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 12, 2005 7:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

gnuageux wrote:
Just to rub it in:
Code:
gw@m ~$ ssh ns1
gw@ns1's password:
Last login: Fri Sep 17 02:17:56 2004 from
Sun Microsystems Inc.   SunOS 5.8       Generic February 2000
gw@st ~$ uptime
 11:43pm  up 252 day(s),  6:16,  1 user,  load average: 0.25, 0.28, 0.34


:oops:

2 day(s), 7 hour(s), 17 minute(s), 30 second(s)

This is what happens when you run a windows box =P
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 12, 2005 8:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Since this talk of hot babes has laughably degenerated into a discussion of uptime... allow me to present you with updike!
Code:
alias updike='/usr/bin/uptime | perl -ne "/(\d+) d/;print 8,q(=)x\$1,\"D\n\""'

This takes your uptime and for each day adds length to your...um... :lol:
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 12, 2005 8:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

fennec wrote:


2 day(s), 7 hour(s), 17 minute(s), 30 second(s)

This is what happens when you run a windows box =P


Holy crap. It made it that long :?: :?:

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 12, 2005 8:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You are so funny... dude, I've admined windows boxes with uptimes of over 100 days, there's really nothing strange about it if they're behind a firewall and not using IE.

PS lose the multiple smilies, you don't realize how infantile they look.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 12, 2005 9:30 am    Post subject: Re: Hot Babe and Gentoo? (Possibly Offensive Packages?) Reply with quote

chris4amd wrote:
[Developers] Are there some kind of formal / informal package / ebuild content guidelines for gentoo?

No. The ebuilds themselves shouldn't contain any excessively offensive material, and packages included in GRP or stages shouldn't have any legally questionable content, but general packages aren't covered. After all, we don't ship programs, we just give you a set of rules for how to build them.

I'd like to point out that you're required to install at least two packages containing the word "fuck", at least one package containing quotes from the Bible (which as we all know is racist, homophobic, misogynistic and illegal in several countries) and a copy of the US constitution as part of a base Gentoo install.
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