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PostPosted: Mon Aug 30, 2004 1:32 pm    Post subject: Re: xorg 6.7.99.903 + ati drivers +DRI/Gnome Reply with quote

I've also been unable to get this running with the ATI drivers. After emerging xorg-x11, running opengl-update xorg-x11 then opengl-update ati, seems to work. I've a dual head setup, and only after switching to the ATI drivers can I use both heads. i.e. xorg-x11 drivers just give me a cloned 2nd head, rather than a separate one!

However, whenever I access any OpenGl functions, it just goes! It looks liks a complete hard freeze. no mouse, no nothing. However I can ssh from elsewhere on my network. X is not running. So ther is nothing to kill. I have to "startx" or restart GDM. Even running glxinfo can do this.

Also Gnome gives the same errors. Using the xorg-x11 drivers, i can run Gnome perfectly (2.6), but with the ATI propreitary drivers, it gives the above errors!!

Oh well, I'm sure (hope) that ATI may provide new drivers soon! (not that I'm sure that it's their drivers at fault!)

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I'm having this too. Do you have this error in your xorg log?

No matching visual for __GLcontextMode with visual class = -1 (-1), nplanes = 0

No clue what it means, but i doesn't seem right ;)
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 30, 2004 1:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i've got exactly the same. I believed it was because loading glx in xorg.conf didn't load opengl from the ati drivers but the mesa ones.
But this is still quite complicated for me :?
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 30, 2004 4:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

is it just me or does this thing redraw like a lighting when using RenderAccel on nvidia's latest drivers - I have never seen X redraw this fast.. it's just awesome.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 30, 2004 5:03 pm    Post subject: Re: 6.7.99.903 Reply with quote

Reverent wrote:
the 6.7.99.903 xorg works much better for me, so far i havent got any hard locks, only restarts of the x-server. Using an nvidia geforce-3ti and the 1.0.6111 driver. In KDE only scaling and shading a window leaves some artefacts when using transparency and client shadows.

Here i recorded the beast in action (xcompmgr -c & transset):
xorg.avi (~6.3 megs, DivX4)


What program did you use to make that recording ?
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 30, 2004 5:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

well that sure looks nice. Considering I've got a gf3 and a 50-page paper to read I'm merging this latest version. Anyone started making an expose-patch for kwin already btw ? :)
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 30, 2004 5:43 pm    Post subject: Re: 6.7.99.903 Reply with quote

Al_bin wrote:
What program did you use to make that recording ?


xvidcap to capture and mencoder(mplayer) to do some tweaking, its in portage.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 30, 2004 5:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tried gnome with the radeon driver and xcompmgr (metacity compositor disabled) .All are ok after the pixmap problems got addressed.Waimea has some probs with the background ( if set ,it gets artifacts) and the shading event (these are easily fixable).On the other way using the crappy fglrx whore my screen is an artifact mess.However even if these issues with ati get fixed theres render accel which perfoms even worse than the radeon driver and i highly doubt it will be ever fixed so this is a good reason for me to upgrade to an nvidia when the time comes....(i wont bother mentioning the opengl performance :twisted: )
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 30, 2004 5:54 pm    Post subject: Re: xorg 6.7.99.903 + ati drivers +DRI/Gnome Reply with quote

ksuther wrote:
Also Gnome gives the same errors. Using the xorg-x11 drivers, i can run Gnome perfectly (2.6), but with the ATI propreitary drivers, it gives the above errors!!


I was having the same problem where Gnome would crash out on load with the ATI drivers but be fine with the xorg radeon driver. I think its just the same issue as with opengl apps crashing. I was able to stop it by disabling xscreensaver. OpenGL apps still don't work, naturally. But at least I can get into Gnome. That said, the composite performance is terrible with the ATI proprietary drivers, so I may go back to the xorg driver anyway.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 30, 2004 6:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

First of all, I'm lovin' it! My girlfriend was complaining about how utterly stupid existing fake-transparency was, and she'll love this when she gets home.
Here's testing that I've done with xorg-x11 6.8.0 RC3. I'm using nvidia binaries of version 6111, kernel 2.6.7.

Interesting note: /var/tmp permissions were incorrect. They need to be 1777 (rwxrwxrwt), or the kbd driver causes problems. These problems did not seem to exist in previous versions of X[org/Free]. Changing the permissions solves this.
I use Openbox3. xcompmgr closes all preexisting windows on startup and shutdown. I've tried it with KDE3.2, however, and all of the windows reappeared properly.
Using the -f option for xcompmgr causes Mozilla's menus to be invisible at times. I can live without the (extremely wicked) fading effect, but I thought I should mention it.
Finally, I've tried OpenGL apps while xcompmgr is operational. Quake 3 works. GLXgears works. UT2004demo works, but causes xcompmgr to crash - which, as I've mentioned, causes all open windows to go away. TORCS causes the X server to restart.
All in all, a very solid prerelease. Composite is turned off by default, and I doubt that they'll have it ready to be on by default by 6.8.0 final, but the progress is quick, and with cooperation from nVidia (and ATI), I don't think it will take too long. Keep up the good work, fd.o!
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 30, 2004 6:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tactless wrote:
My girlfriend was complaining about how utterly stupid existing fake-transparency was, and she'll love this when she gets home.


Where can you go to complain how utterly stupid real-transparency is? ;)

Anyways, I'm going to be doing a test installation on a spare partition later (don't wanna mess up my main install) so I guess I'll be able to see what all the talk is about.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 30, 2004 7:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've just emerged xorg-x11-6.7.99.903 and I can't startx anymore because it cant find the screen :? this is my Xorg.0.log :
Code:
This is a pre-release version of the The X.Org Foundation X11.
It is not supported in any way.
Bugs may be filed in the bugzilla at http://bugs.freedesktop.org/.
Select the "xorg" product for bugs you find in this release.
Before reporting bugs in pre-release versions please check the
latest version in the The X.Org Foundation "monolithic tree" CVS
repository hosted at http://www.freedesktop.org/Software/xorg/
X Window System Version 6.7.99.903 (6.8.0 RC 3)
Release Date: 28 August 2004
X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0, Release 6.7.99.903
Build Operating System: Linux 2.6.7-gentoo-r11 i686 [ELF]
Current Operating System: Linux DeepThought 2.6.7-gentoo-r11 #1 Tue Aug 3 19:18:44 IDT
 2004 i686
Build Date: 30 August 2004
        Before reporting problems, check http://wiki.X.Org
        to make sure that you have the latest version.
Module Loader present
Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting,
        (++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational,
        (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
(==) Log file: "/var/log/Xorg.0.log", Time: Mon Aug 30 21:40:36 2004
(==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf"
Parse error on line 429 of section Extentions in file /etc/X11/xorg.conf
        "Extentions" is not a valid section name.
(EE) Problem parsing the config file
(EE) Error parsing the config file

Fatal server error:
no screens found

Please consult the The X.Org Foundation support
         at http://wiki.X.Org
 for help.
Please also check the log file at "/var/log/Xorg.0.log" for additional information.

does anyone know how to fix it?
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 30, 2004 7:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

meital wrote:
I've just emerged xorg-x11-6.7.99.903 and I can't startx anymore because it cant find the screen :? this is my Xorg.0.log :
Code:
This is a pre-release version of the The X.Org Foundation X11.
It is not supported in any way.
Bugs may be filed in the bugzilla at http://bugs.freedesktop.org/.
Select the "xorg" product for bugs you find in this release.
Before reporting bugs in pre-release versions please check the
latest version in the The X.Org Foundation "monolithic tree" CVS
repository hosted at http://www.freedesktop.org/Software/xorg/
X Window System Version 6.7.99.903 (6.8.0 RC 3)
Release Date: 28 August 2004
X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0, Release 6.7.99.903
Build Operating System: Linux 2.6.7-gentoo-r11 i686 [ELF]
Current Operating System: Linux DeepThought 2.6.7-gentoo-r11 #1 Tue Aug 3 19:18:44 IDT
 2004 i686
Build Date: 30 August 2004
        Before reporting problems, check http://wiki.X.Org
        to make sure that you have the latest version.
Module Loader present
Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting,
        (++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational,
        (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
(==) Log file: "/var/log/Xorg.0.log", Time: Mon Aug 30 21:40:36 2004
(==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf"
Parse error on line 429 of section Extentions in file /etc/X11/xorg.conf
        "Extentions" is not a valid section name.
(EE) Problem parsing the config file
(EE) Error parsing the config file

Fatal server error:
no screens found

Please consult the The X.Org Foundation support
         at http://wiki.X.Org
 for help.
Please also check the log file at "/var/log/Xorg.0.log" for additional information.

does anyone know how to fix it?
The section name should be "Extensions"...


[edit]Btw, I love how you named your computer "DeepThought". Very excellent :wink: !
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 30, 2004 7:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

aethyr wrote:
tactless wrote:
My girlfriend was complaining about how utterly stupid existing fake-transparency was, and she'll love this when she gets home.


Where can you go to complain how utterly stupid real-transparency is? ;)

Anyways, I'm going to be doing a test installation on a spare partition later (don't wanna mess up my main install) so I guess I'll be able to see what all the talk is about.


..better yet, thats all a girl has to complain about? what is this world coming to?
she a geek too? i'd hope so. i hope she didn't walk up, all of a studden all
advanced-like uber geeky stylie.. and say,
"UGH, i hate how fake transparency exists, its just so, so.. um, fake. its like,
totally useless, ya?"

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 30, 2004 7:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I guess DeepThought would'nt misspell "Extensions" :wink:
I've changed it but it still won't do, now it cant find the keyboard :oops:
Code:
(**) Option "Protocol" "IMPS/2"
(**) Mouse1: Device: "/dev/mouse"
(**) Mouse1: Protocol: "IMPS/2"
(**) Option "CorePointer"
(**) Mouse1: Core Pointer
(**) Option "Device" "/dev/mouse"
(==) Mouse1: Emulate3Buttons, Emulate3Timeout: 50
(**) Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"
(**) Mouse1: ZAxisMapping: buttons 4 and 5
(**) Mouse1: Buttons: 5
(**) Mouse1: SmartScroll: 1
(EE) No Input driver matching `Keyboard'
(II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "Mouse1" (type: MOUSE)
(II) Mouse1: ps2EnableDataReporting: succeeded
No core keyboard

Fatal server error:
failed to initialize core devices

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 30, 2004 7:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

meital wrote:
I guess DeepThought would'nt misspell "Extensions" :wink:
I've changed it but it still won't do, now it cant find the keyboard :oops:
Code:
(**) Option "Protocol" "IMPS/2"
(**) Mouse1: Device: "/dev/mouse"
(**) Mouse1: Protocol: "IMPS/2"
(**) Option "CorePointer"
(**) Mouse1: Core Pointer
(**) Option "Device" "/dev/mouse"
(==) Mouse1: Emulate3Buttons, Emulate3Timeout: 50
(**) Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"
(**) Mouse1: ZAxisMapping: buttons 4 and 5
(**) Mouse1: Buttons: 5
(**) Mouse1: SmartScroll: 1
(EE) No Input driver matching `Keyboard'
(II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "Mouse1" (type: MOUSE)
(II) Mouse1: ps2EnableDataReporting: succeeded
No core keyboard

Fatal server error:
failed to initialize core devices

Please consult the The X.Org Foundation support
         at http://wiki.X.Org
 for help.
Please also check the log file at "/var/log/Xorg.0.log" for additional information.

learn how to read. the keyboard driver, is no longer keyboard, but kbd
thats covered in the basic howto, guide, and anything else.
hell its been mentioned on here, like 100x.
did you pass 5th grade english? ;)
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 30, 2004 7:35 pm    Post subject: xorg with shadows Reply with quote

on my p4 with nvidia geforce2(64mb) everything compiled fine.

today i learned how to activate server-sided shadows and transparancy with xorg-4.7.99 and the gnome-2.6 ebuild.

Screenshot: http://mitglied.lycos.de/waitandbleed/xorg_snap.jpg

I did it with an polish tutorial even if i don't know a word polish (the important things are highlightened):
https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=213246&highlight=gnome+2+7

It looks and feels realy brilliant!
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 30, 2004 7:50 pm    Post subject: Re: xorg with shadows Reply with quote

DFanick wrote:
Screenshot: http://mitglied.lycos.de/waitandbleed/xorg_snap.jpg

NWS
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 30, 2004 8:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Got it working on nvidia 53.xx drivers in KDE. Works really well apparently, only mplayer acts all weird once it gets "thrown in the mix". Probably due to xv driver acting weird or something.

Since we're all screening anyway, here's my shot.
http://wilma.vub.ac.be/~sstommel/pwnt.jpg

Really looking forward to the millions of eye candy patches coming our way :)

edit: the translucency really needs integrating, turned it off already since everything translucent gives me a headache... still looks cool though hehe
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 30, 2004 8:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

KingPunk wrote:
aethyr wrote:
tactless wrote:
My girlfriend was complaining about how utterly stupid existing fake-transparency was, and she'll love this when she gets home.


Where can you go to complain how utterly stupid real-transparency is? ;)

Anyways, I'm going to be doing a test installation on a spare partition later (don't wanna mess up my main install) so I guess I'll be able to see what all the talk is about.


..better yet, thats all a girl has to complain about? what is this world coming to?
she a geek too? i'd hope so. i hope she didn't walk up, all of a studden all
advanced-like uber geeky stylie.. and say,
"UGH, i hate how fake transparency exists, its just so, so.. um, fake. its like,
totally useless, ya?"

;)


She's a bit of a geek, but not really when it comes to computers. I've shown her Linux and set it up on her machine as well. When I showed her transparent terminals, it really bugged her that only the background was showing.
Screenie. Yes, that is her in the wallpaper.
http://lutzky.homelinux.net/~tactless/screenshots/20040830.png
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 30, 2004 8:37 pm    Post subject: Console Reply with quote

@aethyr:

What does "NWS" mean?

It's not my girlfiend on the wallpaper anyway. But with my new transparant konsole i bet i'll get her - haha.

Nice greetings out of Hamburg to all of you boys!
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 30, 2004 8:54 pm    Post subject: Re: xorg 6.7.99.903 + ati drivers +DRI/Gnome Reply with quote

imptech wrote:
That said, the composite performance is terrible with the ATI proprietary drivers, so I may go back to the xorg driver anyway.



wait a min, the xorg-x11 radeon drivers work faster than the fglrx drivers for you? Hmm, maybe they've made some progress with that :)

also for those who doesn't know it, ati is planning to release a point release ati driver a few weeks after xorg release for better compatibility (and opengl).
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 30, 2004 8:54 pm    Post subject: Re: Console Reply with quote

DFanick wrote:
@aethyr:

What does "NWS" mean?

It's not my girlfiend on the wallpaper anyway. But with my new transparant konsole i bet i'll get her - haha.

Nice greetings out of Hamburg to all of you boys!


Not Work Safe im pretty sure. but most people use NSFW = not safe for work
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 30, 2004 9:00 pm    Post subject: i like it Reply with quote

btw:
i can now watch "mplayer -vo x11" through other windows even if it's awfully slow when zoomed to 1280x1024.

This day is a bit like christmas...
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 30, 2004 9:14 pm    Post subject: so cool Reply with quote

Maybe you'll think that I'm a talkaholic, but I want to write that it is even possible to make the x11-video-output transparant. With a compiling console in the background it looks everthing like "matrix".

But ain't everything the "matrix"?
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 30, 2004 9:42 pm    Post subject: Re: so cool Reply with quote

DFanick wrote:
Maybe you'll think that I'm a talkaholic, but I want to write that it is even possible to make the x11-video-output transparant. With a compiling console in the background it looks everthing like "matrix".

But ain't everything the "matrix"?


http://www.deviantart.com/view/9926615/ - just shows some of my
crap. its transparent video too. thats why im showing you. ;)
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