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seringen Apprentice

Joined: 03 Aug 2003 Posts: 163 Location: berkeley, california
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Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2004 10:48 pm Post subject: celestia and ati-drivers [hacks, options and recent success] |
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Summary
Anyone new to this thread, yes, ati-drivers and celestia don't like each other.
Certain combinations of glibc, xorg, celestia and ati-drivers may occasionally work for you, and may occassionally fail. Currently, the ~x86 drivers are working for me.
The most recent xorg-x11-6.8.2 and ati-drivers-8.10.19 work just swimmingly with out any changes to the default. Hopefully this is the same case for everyone else. I don't know about any versions earlier than xorg-x11-6.8.2, but my suspicion is that any 6.8.* should work. Good luck, and hopefully this is the last of this!
Options
The only option for older drivers/servers is a decent hack from Wedge_, but it's still a hack.
| Wedge_ wrote: | Celestia used to work fine with the older driver versions, but all of the newer versions haven't worked for me. As a workaround, try uncommenting this line in /usr/share/celestia/celestia.cfg: | Code: | | IgnoreGLExtensions [ "GL_ARB_vertex_program" ] |
I think effectively disabling that extension has some performance impact, but it still seems to run pretty well. |
Other Discussions
here's a recent celestia board posting on the subject of ati drivers:
http://www.shatters.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5817
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seringen Apprentice

Joined: 03 Aug 2003 Posts: 163 Location: berkeley, california
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MaxDamage l33t


Joined: 03 Jan 2004 Posts: 650 Location: Oviedo, Spain
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Posted: Sun Aug 22, 2004 11:33 pm Post subject: |
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app-sci/celestia-1.3.2_pre20040731-r1
media-video/ati-drivers-3.11.1
x11-base/xorg-x11-6.7.0-r2
Celestia still crashes. _________________ La PDA de tungsteno |
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seringen Apprentice

Joined: 03 Aug 2003 Posts: 163 Location: berkeley, california
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Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2004 12:41 am Post subject: |
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| yeah it's still broken for me. i'm waiting for a real point release |
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ikshaar Veteran


Joined: 23 Jul 2002 Posts: 1339 Location: Baltimore, MD
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Posted: Thu Aug 26, 2004 2:16 pm Post subject: |
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Well 1.3.2 was released today ... i hope the ebuild can be fixed soon.. waiting for the GTk+2 interface
Just saw screenshot, program looks gorgeous... _________________ "May God stands between you and harm in all the empty places where you must walk" - Babylon 5 |
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MaxDamage l33t


Joined: 03 Jan 2004 Posts: 650 Location: Oviedo, Spain
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Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2004 9:57 pm Post subject: |
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The ebuild is now in portage. But no luck, it fails to run as previous versions did.
media-video/ati-drivers-3.11.1
app-sci/celestia-1.3.2
x11-base/xorg-x11-6.7.0-r2 _________________ La PDA de tungsteno |
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seringen Apprentice

Joined: 03 Aug 2003 Posts: 163 Location: berkeley, california
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Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2004 10:18 pm Post subject: |
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| yeah doesn't work for me, either |
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seringen Apprentice

Joined: 03 Aug 2003 Posts: 163 Location: berkeley, california
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Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2004 7:45 pm Post subject: works for me |
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I thought i was running the latest ati-drivers, but i wasn't. Slashdot alerted me to the fact that i wasn't running ~x86 for the ati drivers
| Code: | media-video/ati-drivers-3.11.1
app-sci/celestia-1.3.2
x11-base/xorg-x11-6.7.0-r1 |
works. good luck to everyone else who has had this problem
btw. this is with a ATI 9700 and a P4 with a 2.6.8-gentoo-dev-sources-r3 |
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MaxDamage l33t


Joined: 03 Jan 2004 Posts: 650 Location: Oviedo, Spain
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Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2004 10:17 pm Post subject: Re: works for me |
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| seringen wrote: | I thought i was running the latest ati-drivers, but i wasn't. Slashdot alerted me to the fact that i wasn't running ~x86 for the ati drivers
| Code: | media-video/ati-drivers-3.11.1
app-sci/celestia-1.3.2
x11-base/xorg-x11-6.7.0-r1 |
works. good luck to everyone else who has had this problem
btw. this is with a ATI 9700 and a P4 with a 2.6.8-gentoo-dev-sources-r3 |
Incredible. The only difference between my setup and yours is the kernel version. I'll try to upgrade to 2.6.8 but don't think that's the problem. Pleas tell me which use flags you used to build celestia. Anybody else got it working? _________________ La PDA de tungsteno |
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seringen Apprentice

Joined: 03 Aug 2003 Posts: 163 Location: berkeley, california
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Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2004 11:05 pm Post subject: |
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here's the output of emerge -pv celestia and emerge info. maybe it's my ~x86 glibc (i can't downgrade so i can't help you there -- i wouldn't recommend updating to ~x86 for glibc if you can help it, i only do it because i used to run ~x86 for everything until i started having too many problems but things really break if you downgrade glibc)
If you are wondering about my cflags, I used acovea
| Code: | # emerge -pv celestia
These are the packages that I would merge, in order:
Calculating dependencies ...done!
[ebuild R ] app-sci/celestia-1.3.2 -debug -debug -debug +gnome +gtk +kde 0 kB |
| Code: | #emerge info
Portage 2.0.50-r10 (2004.2, gcc-3.3.4, glibc-2.3.4.20040808-r0, 2.6.8-gentoo-r3)=================================================================
System uname: 2.6.8-gentoo-r3 i686 Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.53GHz
Gentoo Base System version 1.5.3
distcc 2.13 i686-pc-linux-gnu (protocols 1 and 2) (default port 3632) [enabled]
ccache version 2.3 [enabled]
Autoconf: sys-devel/autoconf-2.59-r4
Automake: sys-devel/automake-1.8.5-r1
ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="x86"
AUTOCLEAN="yes"
CFLAGS="-O1 -march=pentium4 -funsafe-math-optimizations -fsched-interblock -minline-all-stringops -freorder-blocks -fno-if-conversion2 -falign-loops -freorder-functions -frerun-loop-opt -fno-defer-pop -ffast-math -fomit-frame-pointer -pipe"
CHOST="i686-pc-linux-gnu"
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morfic Retired Dev

Joined: 28 Jul 2004 Posts: 31
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Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2004 5:45 pm Post subject: |
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maxdamage: can you try his kernel version and if it still crashes (and you are willing to go ~x86 glibc) try glibc-2.3.4.20040619-r1 ?
your input would be greatly appreciated |
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MaxDamage l33t


Joined: 03 Jan 2004 Posts: 650 Location: Oviedo, Spain
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Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2004 6:01 pm Post subject: |
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| morfic wrote: | maxdamage: can you try his kernel version and if it still crashes (and you are willing to go ~x86 glibc) try glibc-2.3.4.20040619-r1 ?
your input would be greatly appreciated |
Of course. I have exams next week at Uni but as soon as I can I'll try those updates and post here the results.
Some info that could be of help: i use 2.6 kernel headers (linux26-headers-2.6.6-r1, stage2 install with them), although when I had 2.4 ones installed celestia did also crash.
And I have my glibc installed with +PIC and +NPTL USE flags enabled. The rest of my system is almost completely stable. No prelinking done. _________________ La PDA de tungsteno |
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seringen Apprentice

Joined: 03 Aug 2003 Posts: 163 Location: berkeley, california
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Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2004 8:06 am Post subject: |
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just fyi, i use ntpl, prelinking and 2.6 kernel headers (2.6.8.1). prelinking won't affect you anyway, since you can't prelink ati-drivers, and it wouldn't affect it anyway.
good luck! |
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MaxDamage l33t


Joined: 03 Jan 2004 Posts: 650 Location: Oviedo, Spain
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Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2004 8:55 am Post subject: |
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I've just installed sys-kernel/gentoo-dev-sources-2.6.8-r3. Celestia crashed again.
Tried
| Code: | opengl-update xorg-x11
emerge celestia
opengl-update ati |
but crashed one more time.
Next step is trying the ~x86 glibc. _________________ La PDA de tungsteno |
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MaxDamage l33t


Joined: 03 Jan 2004 Posts: 650 Location: Oviedo, Spain
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Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2004 5:29 pm Post subject: |
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No luck. I installed the new glibc
| Code: | | sys-libs/glibc-2.3.4.20040619-r1 |
Recompiled celestia. But still crashes.
I'll try both 2.6.8 kernel and the new glibc when I reboot, but don't think this'll solve so easily.
*** One reboot after ***
| Code: | Mutsumi root # emerge -pv gentoo-dev-sources ati-drivers glibc celestia
These are the packages that I would merge, in order:
Calculating dependencies ...done!
[ebuild R ] sys-kernel/gentoo-dev-sources-2.6.8-r3 -build -doc -ultra1 0 kB
[ebuild R ] media-video/ati-drivers-3.11.1 0 kB
[ebuild R ] sys-libs/glibc-2.3.4.20040619-r1 -build -debug -debug -erandom -hardened +makecheck -multilib +nls +nptl +pic 9 kB
[ebuild R ] app-sci/celestia-1.3.2 -debug -debug -debug +gnome +gtk -kde 0 kB
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Using the 2.6.8 kernel now. Still crashes. Some package I haven't installed as ~x86 is making celestia fail.
I tried running celestia both as root an as normal user, so the problem seems no personal-config related.
You move.  _________________ La PDA de tungsteno |
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seringen Apprentice

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Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2004 6:30 pm Post subject: |
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turns out i run a more ~86 than i remember, but nothing jumps out at me as being what's causing your problem
| Quote: | cat /etc/portage/package.keywords
net-www/links ~x86
media-video/totem ~x86
app-editors/nano ~x86
app-sci/stellarium ~x86
net-www/mozilla-firefox ~x86
net-www/mozilla ~x86
mail-client/mozilla-thunderbird ~x86
media-video/ogle ~x86
net-p2p/bittornado ~x86
app-crypt/gnupg ~x86
net-ftp/lftp ~x86
app-emulation/wine ~x86
media-fonts/artwiz-fonts ~x86
media-video/mplayer ~x86
sys-kernel/linux26-headers ~x86
games-action/tuxkart ~x86
net-www/netscape-flash ~x86
media-video/ogle ~x86
app-admin/chkrootkit ~x86
media-libs/plib ~x86
media-video/ogle-gui ~x86
media-sound/amarok ~x86
dev-dotnet/mono ~x86
app-pda/gtkpod ~x86
net-www/w3m ~x86
net-www/mozilla-launcher ~x86
x11-wm/waimea ~x86
app-emulation/winesetuptk ~x86
app-sci/celestia ~x86
net-im/kopete ~x86
media-fonts/ttf-bitstream-vera ~x86
net-www/mplayerplug-in ~x86
media-video/totem ~x86
app-office/openoffice-ximian ~x86
app-portage/genlop ~x86
app-emulation/XWine ~x86
net-www/epiphany ~x86
media-sound/rhythmbox ~x86
media-gfx/gimp ~x86
dev-libs/icu ~x86
net-im/gaim ~x86
media-video/vlc ~x86
net-www/epiphany ~x86
media-libs/libdvbpsi ~x86
media-video/ffmpeg ~x86
media-libs/libmatroska ~x86
dev-libs/libebml ~x86
sys-apps/baselayout ~x86
sys-apps/sysvinit ~x86
sys-libs/glibc ~x86
x11-libs/cairo ~x86
media-libs/libpixman ~x86
gaim-encryption ~x86
app-emulation/pearpc ~x86
x11-misc/xscreensaver ~x86
media-plugins/live ~x86
media-video/vlc ~x86
media-video/ati-drivers ~x86
media-video/ati-drivers-extra ~x86
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seringen Apprentice

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Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2004 11:07 pm Post subject: |
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| well after some updates it broke again. So it COULD work, and i'm going to try building it again and see what's going on with it. |
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MaxDamage l33t


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Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2004 11:11 pm Post subject: |
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Good luck with it. I'll be waiting for news and helping on what I can. _________________ La PDA de tungsteno |
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seringen Apprentice

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Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2004 9:33 am Post subject: resolved! |
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the latest ati drivers solve the problem for me again. hope it works for you!
| Quote: | media-video/ati-drivers
Latest version available: 3.12.0
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hopefully this struggle is finally over for good! |
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MaxDamage l33t


Joined: 03 Jan 2004 Posts: 650 Location: Oviedo, Spain
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Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2004 8:56 pm Post subject: Re: resolved! |
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| seringen wrote: | the latest ati drivers solve the problem for me again. hope it works for you!
| Quote: | media-video/ati-drivers
Latest version available: 3.12.0
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hopefully this struggle is finally over for good! |
Not for me. The new 3.12.0 drivers are like the 3.11.1 but with the texture compression bug. Celestia segfaults, as always.
BTW torcs fails to emerge. Appears to be an ATI problem. Can anybody confirm it?
Do you execute celestia with the KDE interface? I use Gnome. Don't know what more to do... _________________ La PDA de tungsteno |
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seringen Apprentice

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Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2004 9:37 pm Post subject: |
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Calculating dependencies ...done!
[ebuild R ] app-sci/celestia-1.3.2 -debug -debug -debug +gnome +gtk -kde 0 kB
I run gnome, too. I usually use the kde flag, but it errors out about arts, and since I don't like arts I just USE"-kde" for it. (but that doesn't sound like a problem you have anyway. It works for me under fluxbox, too. |
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seringen Apprentice

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Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2004 4:03 am Post subject: |
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| ati-drivers-3.14.1 seem to work fine with celestia, so hopefully they work for everyone else! |
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Wedge_ Advocate


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Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2004 9:56 am Post subject: |
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Celestia used to work fine with the older driver versions, but all of the newer versions haven't worked for me. As a workaround, try uncommenting this line in /usr/share/celestia/celestia.cfg: | Code: | | IgnoreGLExtensions [ "GL_ARB_vertex_program" ] |
I think effectively disabling that extension has some performance impact, but it still seems to run pretty well. _________________ Per Ardua Ad Astra
The Earth is the cradle of the mind, but we cannot live forever in a cradle - Konstantin E. Tsiolkovsky
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theoakwise n00b

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Posted: Sat Nov 13, 2004 10:41 pm Post subject: |
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I get pretty bad flickering whenever I have stars turned on. Is this a celestia thing, or a celestia vs. ati thing? |
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seringen Apprentice

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Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2004 12:47 am Post subject: |
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| theoakwise wrote: | I get pretty bad flickering whenever I have stars turned on. Is this a celestia thing, or a celestia vs. ati thing? |
Do you mean when zooming in or following an it stutters? Because that's just because it's a very intensive operation. Have you tried changing the render menu options? On my 9700 celestia chugs along barely acceptably (for me) if you have anything slower it's probably even more painful |
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