The Kde 3.5.2 thread

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firephoto · Post by **firephoto** » Fri Mar 31, 2006 7:58 pm

If you don't have arts installed you don't get "kde system sounds", no one is saying that you have to use arts or even have +arts for a use flag, it's just installed taking up a few precious megabytes. Arts has to be installed when kdelibs is built or you don't get the necessary parts of knotify needed for system sounds.

no arts = no kde system sounds

Ateo · Post by **Ateo** » Fri Mar 31, 2006 8:20 pm

firephoto wrote:If you don't have arts installed you don't get "kde system sounds", no one is saying that you have to use arts or even have +arts for a use flag, it's just installed taking up a few precious megabytes. Arts has to be installed when kdelibs is built or you don't get the necessary parts of knotify needed for system sounds.

no arts = no kde system sounds

kdelibs has to be built with +arts.

forkboy · Post by **forkboy** » Fri Mar 31, 2006 10:19 pm

The system sounds are rubbish anyway

Jakub · Post by **Jakub** » Sat Apr 01, 2006 2:15 pm

radfoj wrote:Hi,

1) anybody here know how to disable CTRL shortcut in 3.5.2 (if you dont know what I mean, just press CTRL while browsing net with Konqueror)? I was searching how to disable it in previous versions, but without luck.

Code: Select all

romek@myhost ~ $ less .kde/share/config/konquerorrc
(...)
[Access Keys]
Enabled=false
(...)

tacker · Post by **tacker** » Sat Apr 01, 2006 2:24 pm

KDE 3.5.2 compiled fine.

But now Alt+TAB doesn't show alle open windows from all desktop what it used to do on 3.5.1.

The option in the kontrol center does not have any affect. Any ideas why?

Cintra · Post by **Cintra** » Sat Apr 01, 2006 4:13 pm

tacker wrote:KDE 3.5.2 compiled fine.

But now Alt+TAB doesn't show alle open windows from all desktop what it used to do on 3.5.1.

The option in the kontrol center does not have any affect. Any ideas why?

Mmmh, does here, thanks for the tip.. didn't know about that one

NorthGoingZax · Post by **NorthGoingZax** » Sat Apr 01, 2006 7:58 pm

anyone know why kprint has a use flag for arts

wol · Post by **wol** » Sat Apr 01, 2006 9:54 pm

SOLVED: I just emerge 3.5.2. I may be the only person with this problem, but kmail suddenly got very unstable. Segfaults here there and everywhere. It has triggered when started, when trying to access the kwallet, when trying to delete a message and when trying to fetch messages. I've tried setting up different users and that just seems to change when the segfault happesns. I've tried users under fluxbox rather than kwin. Still triggering sefaults at different times.

I tried going back to 3.5.1, but had the same problem. This seems to imply something other than kmail as the problem.. I don't really want to take the time to recompile all the libraries with debugging code, but does anyone have any other thoughts?

Gave up, unmerged all of kde, re-emerged. Problem solved.

Ateo · Post by **Ateo** » Sun Apr 02, 2006 1:29 am

NorthGoingZax wrote:anyone know why kprint has a use flag for arts

it's prints out a page with the notes of the song you're currently listening to. it's really quite amazing.

Pseud · Post by **Pseud** » Sun Apr 02, 2006 11:43 am

Ateo wrote:
NorthGoingZax wrote:anyone know why kprint has a use flag for arts
it's prints out a page with the notes of the song you're currently listening to. it's really quite amazing.

rotfl

nabla² · Post by **nabla²** » Sun Apr 02, 2006 4:51 pm

tacker wrote:KDE 3.5.2 compiled fine.

But now Alt+TAB doesn't show alle open windows from all desktop what it used to do on 3.5.1.

The option in the kontrol center does not have any affect. Any ideas why?

It seems that all options concerning ALT+TAB are buggy. I have your problem as well if I don't change ALT+TAB keys. If I put this function on WINDOWS+TAB (because of Emacs' M-TAB) it just changes between two windows not all I have open? Any solutions?

playahater · Post by **playahater** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 12:39 pm

Ateo wrote:
javock wrote:
niskel wrote:I don't even bother with arts, it is a piece of junk. I am surprised it took them until 4.0 to decide to get rid of it. I just use KDE without it and tell it to play notifications through an external player.
but what about the notification system? if you do not compile with arts you don't get all that stuff...
Sure you can. Disable arts completely then install alsaplayer then configure your system sounds to use alsaplayer instead of arts.

i have compiled kde 3.5.2 completely without arts .. and it is working just fine ..

.. all programs are using alsa output .. but i was wondering if you can tell me how/where to setup kde to user alsaplayer ??

" ksmshell kcmnotify >> player >> alsaplayer " ?? right ??

10 in advance

Cheers

MadEgg · Post by **MadEgg** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 4:25 pm

niskel wrote:I don't even bother with arts, it is a piece of junk. I am surprised it took them until 4.0 to decide to get rid of it. I just use KDE without it and tell it to play notifications through an external player.

How do you know that it will be removed from KDE? On http://developer.kde.org/development-ve ... tures.html I can still see planned features/changes for aRts?

Another thing:

since kde-3.5.2, my systray is changed. Instead of putting all the icons next to eachother, they now appear in 2 rows with each 4 icons. I really dislike this, mostly because part of the icons on the lower row do not fit anymore and fall of the screen because of this. Any way to disable this behaviour?

thomasvk · Post by **thomasvk** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 4:29 pm

MadEgg wrote:since kde-3.5.2, my systray is changed. Instead of putting all the icons next to eachother, they now appear in 2 rows with each 4 icons. I really dislike this, mostly because part of the icons on the lower row do not fit anymore and fall of the screen because of this. Any way to disable this behaviour?

I don't remember if it was in this thread, but I also was bothered by it. The 'solution' (more properly to be called workaround) is to make the panel 43 pixels in height.

niskel · Post by **niskel** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 5:04 pm

MadEgg wrote:
niskel wrote:I don't even bother with arts, it is a piece of junk. I am surprised it took them until 4.0 to decide to get rid of it. I just use KDE without it and tell it to play notifications through an external player.
How do you know that it will be removed from KDE? On http://developer.kde.org/development-ve ... tures.html I can still see planned features/changes for aRts?

KDE 4 will be useing Phonon (it is possible the Phonon could use arts as one of its backend options but highly doubtful by default (especially since the arts maintainer has abandoned the project)). From KDE 4 Goals:

new multimedia interface (Phonon, formely KDEMM) making KDE independent of one specific media framework
KDE/Qt style API for most multimedia tasks (everything a media player like amaroK needs should be supported)

better integration with existing solutions for multimedia/(pro-)audio on Linux

"Start menu" style desktop similar to Windows Xp

Phonon Backends
GStreamer

NMM

Helix

xine

As for "http://developer.kde.org/development-ve ... tures.html", this was mostly taken from the features in the feature plan of 3.4/3.5 that never got completed; arts is there probably because they haven't bothered cleaning out the old features that will no longer be implemented.

_Plasma_ · Post by **_Plasma_** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 10:29 pm

wol wrote:SOLVED: I just emerge 3.5.2. I may be the only person with this problem, but kmail suddenly got very unstable. Segfaults here there and everywhere. It has triggered when started, when trying to access the kwallet, when trying to delete a message and when trying to fetch messages. I've tried setting up different users and that just seems to change when the segfault happesns. I've tried users under fluxbox rather than kwin. Still triggering sefaults at different times.

I tried going back to 3.5.1, but had the same problem. This seems to imply something other than kmail as the problem.. I don't really want to take the time to recompile all the libraries with debugging code, but does anyone have any other thoughts?

Gave up, unmerged all of kde, re-emerged. Problem solved.

Same identical problem here

I will try your solution.. (glosh!!)

Thanks

MadEgg · Post by **MadEgg** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 11:43 pm

niskel wrote:KDE 4 will be useing Phonon (it is possible the Phonon could use arts as one of its backend options but highly doubtful by default (especially since the arts maintainer has abandoned the project)).

So instead of just using ALSA, they are going to implement a new media API which will not be used by all apps? The advantage of ALSA imo is that it is both used by KDE and GNOME and all other apps(that are actively maintained anyway), so you only have to configure your sound system once. Adding another layer that can be configured adds more repeated configuration, or doesn't it?

In what way will this Phonon thing help? I thought the main reason for aRts was to mix multiple audio streams into one soundcard. Since ALSA can perform this function with dmix, why is this necessary at all?

Hmm, quite off-topic anyway, not really 3.5.2 related.

Btw, t0maz, thanks for the tip of making the panel 43 pixels high, it works like a charm

Headrush · Post by **Headrush** » Tue Apr 04, 2006 12:00 am

MadEgg wrote:In what way will this Phonon thing help? I thought the main reason for aRts was to mix multiple audio streams into one soundcard. Since ALSA can perform this function with dmix, why is this necessary at all?

The advantage is that having a non-changing API for developers is what you want.

You never know how things can/will change in the future, and having an abstraction from the lower level drivers always changes to be made, but all higher level apps will not need to be changed.

This is an example:

Suppose company XYZ develops their own proprietary sound drivers for their brand of sound cards and motherboards. These driver replace ALSA entirely. (Sort of like closed Open-Sound OSS drivers) No programs would work unless written for them. If the programs used the higher API, the company would only have to have their driver communicate with the higher API. All apps would work without an intervention.

It just allows a greater flexibility. Similar to the HAL used in the kernel.

niskel · Post by **niskel** » Tue Apr 04, 2006 4:29 am

To add to what Headrush said. Phonon also helps for portability. The KDE project runs on systems that don't necissarily have ALSA such as the BSDs. The KDE team also seems to want to keep the option open to port their applications to Mac or Windows, neither of which have ALSA. In this sense, Phonon helps because instead of porting 100s of ALSA apps to these other systems, all they have to do is port Phonon and the rest will simply work.

MadEgg · Post by **MadEgg** » Wed Apr 05, 2006 8:13 am

So is Phonon just going to be an abstraction layer or will it include it's own configuration as well? Because I'd like something that just takes over ALSA's settings for default hardware, volume levels etc, not another place where I have to change settings to make them system-wide.

jentuu · Post by **jentuu** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 8:30 pm

hi all
a have the problem with compilling kde-3.5.2
here is the error with emerge kdelibs-3.5.2-r2

kwalletd_skel.cpp: In member function `virtual bool KWalletD::process(const QCString&, const QByteArray&, QCString&, QByteArray&)':
kwalletd_skel.cpp:58: internal compiler error: Segmentation fault
Please submit a full bug report,
with preprocessed source if appropriate.
See <URL:http://bugs.gentoo.org/> for instructions.
/bin/sh ../../../libtool --silent --tag=CXX --mode=compile i686-pc-linux-gnu-g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../../.. -I../../../dcop -I../../../kdecore -I../../../kio/kssl -I../../../kjs -I./.. -I../../.. -I../../../kwallet/backend -I../../../kwallet/backend -I../../../kwallet/client -I../../../kwallet/client -I../../../dcop -I../../../libltdl -I../../../kdefx -I../../../kdecore -I../../../kdecore -I../../../kdeui -I../../../kio -I../../../kio/kio -I../../../kio/kfile -I../../.. -I/usr/qt/3/include -I. -I/usr/kde/3.5/include -DQT_THREAD_SUPPORT -D_REENTRANT -Wno-long-long -Wundef -ansi -D_XOPEN_SOURCE=500 -D_BSD_SOURCE -Wcast-align -Wconversion -Wchar-subscripts -Wall -W -Wpointer-arith -DNDEBUG -DNO_DEBUG -O2 -O2 -march=i686 -pipe -Wformat-security -Wmissing-format-attribute -Wno-non-virtual-dtor -fno-exceptions -fno-check-new -fno-common -DQT_CLEAN_NAMESPACE -DQT_NO_ASCII_CAST -DQT_NO_STL -DQT_NO_COMPAT -DQT_NO_TRANSLATION -c -o kbetterthankdialogbase.lo kbetterthankdialogbase.cpp
The bug is not reproducible, so it is likely a hardware or OS problem.
make[4]: *** [kwalletd_skel.lo] Error 1
make[4]: Leaving directory `/var/tmp/portage/kdelibs-3.5.2-r2/work/kdelibs-3.5.2/kio/misc/kwalletd'
make[3]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[3]: Leaving directory `/var/tmp/portage/kdelibs-3.5.2-r2/work/kdelibs-3.5.2/kio/misc'
make[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[2]: Leaving directory `/var/tmp/portage/kdelibs-3.5.2-r2/work/kdelibs-3.5.2/kio'
make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/var/tmp/portage/kdelibs-3.5.2-r2/work/kdelibs-3.5.2'
make: *** [all] Error 2

!!! ERROR: kde-base/kdelibs-3.5.2-r2 failed.
Call stack:
ebuild.sh, line 1526: Called dyn_compile
ebuild.sh, line 923: Called src_compile
kdelibs-3.5.2-r2.ebuild, line 94: Called kde_src_compile
kde.eclass, line 113: Called kde_src_compile 'all'
kde.eclass, line 230: Called kde_src_compile 'myconf' 'configure' 'make'
kde.eclass, line 226: Called die

!!! died running emake, kde_src_compile:make
!!! If you need support, post the topmost build error, and the call stack if relevant.

uzurpator ~ #

what to do?
thnx

smithjd15 · Post by **smithjd15** » Tue Apr 11, 2006 5:11 am

kwalletd_skel.cpp:58: internal compiler error: Segmentation fault

This is not a KDE bug, but looks instead like a hardware issue. Are you running overclocked?

Be honest.

Braempje · Post by **Braempje** » Tue Apr 11, 2006 8:05 am

Perhaps an annoying FAQ, but does anyone know when Gentoo will release kde-3.5.x into stable? Or do you feel it works good enough right now?

dncohen · Post by **dncohen** » Tue Apr 11, 2006 6:58 pm

wol wrote:SOLVED: I just emerge 3.5.2. I may be the only person with this problem, but kmail suddenly got very unstable....

Kmail crashed for me on startup. I found this thread <http://lists.debian.org/debian-kde/2006 ... 00148.html>. Which says in short, remove ~/.kde/share/apps/kmail/imap. I tried this and kmail started. Much quicker than recompiling.

Hum · Post by **Hum** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 12:38 am

Braempje wrote:Perhaps an annoying FAQ, but does anyone know when Gentoo will release kde-3.5.x into stable? Or do you feel it works good enough right now?

http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-429938.html

The Kde 3.5.2 thread

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