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psyqil wrote:And, just for the record, I got a printed XLiveCD at LinuxTag, and I love it!

That's not quite the same thing. While it is a X LiveCD, I don't think that one is official, even though it was made by a dev. The official X LiveCD is Gnome 2.10 based, but it also contains fluxbox, enlightenment, and xfce4.

Looks like I gotta read up on the documentation on how to upgrade to 2005.1(when the devs say it's safe of course).

You can upgrade just fine if you already have a working install. It's just the install media that you should wait on for a day or two.

psyqil wrote:And, just for the record, I got a printed XLiveCD at LinuxTag, and I love it!

*drool*

So I do emerge --update --deep world and then update the profiles? (Says nothing about it in the docs)

Simple way of looking at it is like this:

IF you did a stage1 install did you anything from the LiveCD? No everything is downloaded off the net
IF you did a stage 2 or 3 the first thing that would have been done would have been a

emerge sync && emerge world -uvDp
or something to that effect and if any updates available you more then likely would hav eupdated them THUS you are imediatly more upto-date then the liveCD.

Thus once a system is up and running there is no reason at all when a new LiveCD is released to scrap a perfectly running system to take a weekend to compile everything again ONLY to be in exactly teh same state you were in before starting the install again, bar a further burnt-in CPU.

The only two reasons that exist to do a re-install (new release of a LiveCD or not) is either
1) you have hozed you PORTAGE database soo much that the effort to recover it outweighs a backup and re-install from scratch
2) change of filessystem used (even then there are ways around it)


So yes just do an "emerge sync" and an "emerge world -vp"

When the DEV's are happy with hte profile you will know about it since PORTAGE/EMERGE will print a message describing EXACTLY how to update you profile

IF this liveCD is Xbased I will be interested in booting it up to check it out (and poss use it as a recovery CD in my work bag if usable to some extent)
BUT it is good to hear the minimal CD still exists and you can get to the CLI on the X-liveCD as well

Faster at the terminal anyway

Will one or more of these installers give me a regular "binary-like" install?

Not that I'd like one for my personal use - it's an article idea for my site. I advocate gentoo as much as possible, but unfortunately being a fan of the stage-1 install - to my chagrin, I haven't followed the development of these other methods too closely. With the release of 2005.1, I was just thinking of doing an article on something like gentoo for the impatient or gentoo for everyone or something suggesting vidalinux or litrix when I saw all those choices on the torrent page. Wow, gentoo's moving up in the world!

thanks!

Does anyone know what kernel the 2005.1 livecd is running? I've got some hardware that doesn't detect it's hard disks with anything less than 2.6.12.

irasnyd wrote:Does anyone know what kernel the 2005.1 livecd is running? I've got some hardware that doesn't detect it's hard disks with anything less than 2.6.12.

2.6.12-gentoo-r6

Portage just finished. Surely there has to be more than 59 packages updated in 2005.1.

adamb10 wrote:Portage just finished. Surely there has to be more than 59 packages updated in 2005.1.

you are really missing the point of Portage.
there were 59package to be updated in your "world"

I'm new to Gentoo. This is the first time I actually got gentoo fully working and everything.

wolf31o2 wrote:so I would suggest avoiding these files until an official announcement is made...

amne wrote:2005.1 is officially released but not yet available via normal mirror distribution [...] Until please try out our BitTorrent tracker

So all the files available on the tracker are ok, nothing to avoid now?

agaffney wrote:The official X LiveCD is Gnome 2.10 based, but it also contains fluxbox, enlightenment, and xfce4.

No KDE?

psyqil wrote:And, just for the record, I got a printed XLiveCD at LinuxTag, and I love it!

Go get it, kimchi_sg: http://tracker.netdomination.org/torren ... so.torrent

kimchi_sg wrote:

agaffney wrote:The official X LiveCD is Gnome 2.10 based, but it also contains fluxbox, enlightenment, and xfce4.

No KDE?

Yeah that's unfortunate. I guess beggars can't be choosers, and we're not required to use the "official" X LiveCD anyway.

kimchi_sg wrote:No KDE?

It was originally going to have KDE as well, but there simply wasn't space, and the dev building the CD apparently likes GNOME more

agaffney wrote:

kimchi_sg wrote:No KDE?

It was originally going to have KDE as well, but there simply wasn't space, and the dev building the CD apparently likes GNOME more

Bring more devs into the project so he can be overruled!

kimchi_sg wrote:

agaffney wrote:The official X LiveCD is Gnome 2.10 based, but it also contains fluxbox, enlightenment, and xfce4.

No KDE?

yes, no bloat.

(just kidding, i'm a KDE fan myself).

just entirely out of curiosity, what advantage does the gui CD give? the last Linux Boot CD i used with X on it basically gave me a desktop where i opened a command line console and did all my adminning in that.

I don't see much point to a Gentoo X livecd. Just use knoppix or something:\

well, i figure for n00bs there might be GUI utilities that would be easier to use than CLI utils.

The more I read the forums here the more angry I become.

I guess it is this ongoing bitchiness that only acne-faced puberts and wanna-be geekperts possess. Or maybe it is just me.

All sorts of system architectures are individually supported. There's minimal cd's and maximal cd's galore. There's X cd's, Y cd's and Z cd's too. You can install with the guide or go Vida and use an automator. You can stay or go, do or don't, keep or change.

AND YET SOMEONE STILL FINDS SOMETHING TO BITCH ABOUT!

I'm awfully sorry, but it just doesn't make the least bit of sense to me why people still complain and fuss. "So you're making me use an installer!" or "So you're forcing me to use Gnome!" or "So you want to listen to me wah wah wah like a little baby!"

Come on. For Christ's sake. How many times do the Dev's have to say it? You still have a choice. You can still use your preferred system of installation. You can simply emerge world and wind up with 2005.1 without having to download another ISO. You can install Gnome. You can install KDE. You can do whatever the heck you want. IT'S YOUR SYSTEM AND IT'S YOUR GENTOO!

I fell madly in love with Gentoo because I can install it exactly how I want to. My first installation was through Vidalinux 1.2 on my Mac Mini which gave me a stable desktop with virtually zero fuss in about an hour. THAT was what I wanted. Then I installed Gentoo the "old fashioned" way through the guide and the 2005.0 Minimal cd and a whole lot of coffee. Now I'm all set to try out this new X LiveCD setup since I've been following the GLI project for many months.

Ok, rant over. I just get so mad reading the same complaints here over and over and over and to think, I'm a NEW Gentoo user. I feel for you guys who have been here a long time. You have the patience of a Saint!

I'm not sure who all that was directed at, but I was very light-heartedly complaining that KDE isn't the default DE for the X LiveCD. I couldn't really care less. People always find something to complain about, especially when they're very happy with what they have at the present time.

Raftysworld wrote:I'm not sure who all that was directed at, but I was very light-heartedly complaining that KDE isn't the default DE for the X LiveCD. I couldn't really care less. People always find something to complain about, especially when they're very happy with what they have at the present time.

Eh, it wasn't directed at you or anything like that. No offence is meant. Just my gift for gab and my desire to bitch (since it seems common).

Your comment is certainly not the first time I've read (or even been personally involved in) the KDE/Gnome debate. I am just in awe that something like open source and freedom of choice by its very nature seems less than obvious to so many people who still find something wrong with it all.

Edit: I prefer Gnome, so there.