X.org Lockups (part 2)

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flazz · Post by **flazz** » Tue Jun 28, 2005 2:53 pm

Richie wrote: Big fonts crashes xorg

i think you may be on to something because i just got a 19 inch monitor and i set my gtk font size to 14 for everything, and before i ruined my hard drive (and my system) everything was crashing a lot.

ikaro · Post by **ikaro** » Tue Jun 28, 2005 2:57 pm

i'd recomend everyone upgrade to latest xorg-x11-6.8.99.13
running fine with the newest nvidia drivers, and it seems ok.

drphibes · Post by **drphibes** » Tue Jun 28, 2005 5:14 pm

ikaro wrote:i'd recomend everyone upgrade to latest xorg-x11-6.8.99.13
running fine with the newest nvidia drivers, and it seems ok.

I checked the changelog and this snapshot only hit portage yesterday (Jun 27)....
Not really enough time to bless it yet, or were you having very frequent lockups before? I must dig up the xorg README itself and see what's in this thing.

Nerdanel · Post by **Nerdanel** » Tue Jun 28, 2005 5:58 pm

Reporting again after a long while. My machine is certainly a lot more stable nowadays, with uptimes changed from a day to week(s). I'm not sure about the reason; PAM removal, BIOS tweak, and some random update are all possible causes.

Things are definitely different now. I came home after a weekend and found my machine frozen. It had never frozen without my direct action before, but now it had.

I think maybe the freezing might have something to do with system heat in combination with certain vulnerable hardware/software configurations. It had been a very warm weekend and the air conditioning in my flat doesn't seem to work very well. This would tie in with the fact that the lockups happen most easily when the machine is busy starting up and restoring my KDE session. Also, in the spring, when the freezes were a lot more common, central heating was on and on a level that does not take into account a big space heater a.k.a. personal computer.

spitefulcrow · Post by **spitefulcrow** » Tue Jun 28, 2005 9:29 pm

I have a problem with X and system locks too, but mine's slightly different than what everyone else has described.
I don't know exactly how to reproduce the issue, but it involves heavy usage of GTK and Qt (When I'm at the computer actively using it, I usually have Firefox, amaroK, gkrellm2, gaim, and an Eterm or two running). The lock itself completely crashes everything, as in I can't ssh in from my other system and I can't ctrl-alt-backspace/ctrl-alt-f2/alt-sysrq-K out of X and the kernel won't even reboot when I use alt-sysrq-B. No response to mouse or keyboard input and the last 500ms of audio in the buffer keep replaying like a skipping CD would sound.
System is a box I built myself:
Athlon XP 2600+
Asus A7V880 mainboard
Chaintech nVidia FX5500 256MB currently set to AGP 4x.

I seem to see the same situation that Nerdanel mentioned, with it being related to heat and a combination of hardware and software issues. No idea how to go about fixing it though.

dot · Post by **dot** » Tue Jun 28, 2005 11:05 pm

Hello,

i am having this problem too:
sometimes, mostly if firefox is running,
my mouse and the keyboard freezes, but
the applications are running (animated gif
in firefox play´s, emege sync in urxvt does not
stop, ...

i am using the following hardware:
amd athlon64 3500+
nForce 4 ultra chipset
nvidie geforce 6600 vie pci express

software:
linux-2.6.11-morph12 (the vanilla kernels had problems with
the apic and the acpi and resource conflicts and with everything else)
xorg-x11 6.8.2-r2
nvidia 7664

i am trying now to upgrade to xorg-x11 6.8.99.13

kind regards

flo

EDIT:
on my second system (athlon-xp 2500+ with via chipset), i never ever had
these lockups.
software:
linux 2.6.12-rc5-mm2
xorg-x11 6.8.2-r1
nvidia 7664

korngerd · Post by **korngerd** » Wed Jun 29, 2005 4:59 am

fotisaueb wrote:Guys is it a coincidence that I've found not a single one debian user that has faced lockups?
No topic on debian forum either

This guy seems to be having similar issues on Debian

But maybe he's a debian-based distro user (ubuntu perhaps), can't really tell

dot · Post by **dot** » Wed Jun 29, 2005 7:48 am

hello,

as it reads, you guys have your lockups after a couple of hours,
mine happens after some minutes, maximum after 10 minutes.
i can speed it up, if resize and move my windows arround.

BUT: I installed the system from the ahorn5 live cd,
and while that system was running more then 10 hours, i had not
a single lockup.

kind regards

flo

fotisaueb · Post by **fotisaueb** » Wed Jun 29, 2005 12:31 pm

I'm going to install the 2.6.12 vanilla sources is it a good idea?
Supposingly that lockups is a kernel problem maybe by switching to the default kernel I will get rid of them.
What do you think?

VortexKI · Post by **VortexKI** » Wed Jun 29, 2005 1:49 pm

Well, I'm using Debian SID (unstable) for a long time now.

My old computer had regulary lockups with Xfree 4.3 and every tested "nvidia" driver.
Symptoms as per description. XFree shows definitely the same bug !

Two month ago I bought a new computer and installed debian. Every Package was the same version as before.
Surprise: NO Lockup, since 2 month !

Last week I switched to Xorg 6.8.2 - Still no lockups (but Composite is a little bit buggy -> disabled)

On behalf of concerned users, I can test, if it is the MoBo, the graphics card or XFree/Xorg.

Old computer:
Amd Duron 800
Asus A7V-133
512MB Ram
GF2-MX 32MB

New computer:
AMD Athlon 64 3200
Asus A8V-E Deluxe
1024 Ram
GF 6600GT TDH 128MB PCI-X

vortexKI

fotisaueb · Post by **fotisaueb** » Wed Jun 29, 2005 2:52 pm

Is it possible that on 64bit platforms this problem does not occur?

VortexKI · Post by **VortexKI** » Wed Jun 29, 2005 3:03 pm

Sorry,
forgot to mention: I still use 32-Bit Debian.

My 64-bit Debian is currently just for testing.

vortexKI

Meypqr · Post by **Meypqr** » Thu Jun 30, 2005 7:52 am

Hello,

i've got two machines, one with kernel 2.4 and no lockups. The other one with kernel 2.6 (exact version changes frequently). The one with 2.6 had problem #1, until I disabled "HWCursor". I haven't had any lockup for a few days now.

Section "Device"
BoardName "0x0322"
BusID "1:0:0"
Identifier "Device[0]"
VendorName "NVidia"
Driver "nvidia"
Option "NvAGP" "3"
Option "HWCursor" "off"
Option "RenderAccel" "true"
EndSection

I first played around with "NVAGP", but this didn't solve the problem.

praseodymium · Post by **praseodymium** » Thu Jun 30, 2005 12:03 pm

My system locks up every time I try to run qtdemo. With love-sources it's when I run it, with gentoo-sources when I click an item. I hate it.

praseodymium · Post by **praseodymium** » Thu Jun 30, 2005 1:03 pm

Changing the driver to nv works, but I have two problems now:
* My screen is placed about 20px to the right, causing a certain part to be displayed off-screen
* Hardware accelleration/OpenGL/3d/GLX doesn't work.

qtdemo was all stable, although the OpenGL modules didn't work. Any suggestions on how to get 3d while still keeping a stable system?

PS.: does qtdemo of qt-4.0.0 crash for more people here? Please try it, it could really shorten debug times because if it crashes, it crashes instantly for me, thus circumventing long debugging times.

heavyjoost · Post by **heavyjoost** » Fri Jul 01, 2005 6:29 am

Just an idea which popped out of my head:
Maybe Xorg/XFree crashes after a certain date on some computers using specific settings? I don't know, just a wild thought

My Xorg works fine, as it always did (XFree worked also fine, which I used until 1 or 2 weeks ago)
Hardware:
- AMD Duron 1GHz
- 256MB DDR RAM
- NVidia Geforce2 MX400 64MB (64MB shared memory in the (AMI) BIOS)

Software:
- gentoo-sources-2.6.10-r6
- xorg-x11-6.8.2-r1 (I used XFee 4.3 before or so, kind of forgot

)
- nvidia-kernel-1.0.7664
- nvidia-glx-1.0.7664
- nvidia-settings-1.0.7167

All compiled using gcc-3.3.4 and glibc-2.3.5 but that doesn't really matter I believe.

Module and video section of my xorg.conf:

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Section "Module"
        Load "freetype"
        Load "xtt"
        Load  "extmod"
        Load  "glx"
        Load  "dbe"
        Load  "record"
        Load  "xtrap"
        Load  "type1"
        Load  "speedo"
EndSection

Section "Device"
        Identifier  "Card0"
        Driver      "nvidia"
        Card        "nv GeForce2 MX/MX 400"
        VideoRam    65536
        Option "NoLogo" "1"
EndSection

I hope this/these bug(s) get fixed soon, would be cool for all you guys

Gergan Penkov · Post by **Gergan Penkov** » Fri Jul 01, 2005 6:07 pm

Hi heavyjoost, try turning RenderAccel option in xorg.conf to true and see if this will bring lockups ::)))

heavyjoost · Post by **heavyjoost** » Sat Jul 02, 2005 3:12 am

Gergan Penkov wrote:Hi heavyjoost, try turning RenderAccel option in xorg.conf to true and see if this will bring lockups ::)))

Did that, it still runs without lockup

for a couple of hours now

Edit: Crap, it just locked up twice after 12 hours, just when I used firefox. Didn't use it before. So it looks like Firefox causes these problems or at least some GTK program but I'm not 100% sure about that. It works fine now with my old config

ikaro · Post by **ikaro** » Sat Jul 02, 2005 12:06 pm

spoke too early.
just got a lockup when moving a window across the screen.

so freaking tired of that bullshit.

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Jun 29 20:19:35 NVRM: Xid: 6, PE0000 0d08 00170d08 0000fde8 00170d08 00000003
Jul  2 14:01:56 NVRM: Xid: 6, PE0000 13f0 00586400 0000fdd8 00f3f3f3 00000003

Gergan Penkov · Post by **Gergan Penkov** » Sat Jul 02, 2005 12:23 pm

heavyjoost, I knew that this could happen, because I have the same situation.
I think that only the people, which use RenderAccel (or the majority of them) are having problems, but in nvidia FAQ it is said, that they could not test it - so practically it will be buggy. The problem is that I have used it for some months (xorg is faster with it) without problems and after some updates (xorg and nvidia excluded) the lockups have begun to show up ::(( I could not even start kde with RenderAccel turned on, but this is not a problem (I don't use it). The problem is the random lockups in firefox (i have had days uptime without lockups, when using opera) and some other applications (not so oft). So I'm staying on the safer side untill a solution is found :::)))

fotisaueb · Post by **fotisaueb** » Sat Jul 02, 2005 4:24 pm

Because I can't remember ...Has anybody mentioned that those lockups occure on Gnome too?

yaneurabeya · Post by **yaneurabeya** » Sun Jul 03, 2005 8:37 am

Heh. You guys have interesting issues with X. For some odd reason in Gentoo I only got lockups with certain webpages, which were most likely due to the big fonts issue mentioned earlier. Heh.

Still no issues with FreeBSD, but then again I'm not on my campus surfing all the time with my machine anymore

.

mesch.t · Post by **mesch.t** » Mon Jul 04, 2005 2:25 pm

Gergan Penkov wrote:heavyjoost, I knew that this could happen, because I have the same situation.
I think that only the people, which use RenderAccel (or the majority of them) are having problems, but in nvidia FAQ it is said, that they could not test it - so practically it will be buggy. The problem is that I have used it for some months (xorg is faster with it) without problems and after some updates (xorg and nvidia excluded) the lockups have begun to show up ::(( I could not even start kde with RenderAccel turned on, but this is not a problem (I don't use it). The problem is the random lockups in firefox (i have had days uptime without lockups, when using opera) and some other applications (not so oft). So I'm staying on the safer side untill a solution is found :::)))

I can confirm this - my story is exactly like yours..
After disabling RenderAccel I haven't had a single lockup..some days ago I played around with my xorg.conf again - enabling RenderAccel - being happy because of the smoother X - being locked up once again after a few minutes (using firefox btw).
so, I'm staying with you at the safer side..

mescht

l33tmmx · Post by **l33tmmx** » Mon Jul 04, 2005 4:05 pm

Hi, I'd like to share here my experiences about X unstability too...

I have used Gentoo-ppc on my Apple iBook G4 for some months, but two weeks ago I finally took the plunge and installed Gentoo on my x86 desktop system, in place of the previously used Slackware 10.0. The hardware specs are:

AMD Athlon XP 3000+
Gigabyte GA-7VT880-L motherboard
512 Mb RAM
Dual-head setup:
--primary Nvidia Geforce 6600 GT AGP ("nvidia" driver)
--secondary Nvidia Riva TNT2 M64 PCI ("nv" driver)

and software:

Gentoo ~x86
gentoo-sources-2.6.12-r1
xorg-x11-6.8.2-r2
nvidia-glx-1.0.7167-r2
nvidia-kernel-1.0.7167-r1
nvidia-settings-1.0.7167

Originally, after installing the Xorg, the system was extremely unstable, so unstable that I considered giving up and reinstalling the trusty Slackware

. Starting aterm crashed X immediately, and moving windows on desktop (Fluxbox as a WM) or using Konqueror to read the backup cd's froze X and the rest of the machine so that I had to use the reset button. Switching both display cards to "nv" drivers didn't help at all.

However, at some point after syncing and running "emerge -uDN world" (unfortunately I don't remember what packages got updated) and downgrading nvidia drivers to version 7167 (I used that version on Slackware) the system started to behave itself, and has continued to run as stable as it was previously with the Slackie. So far (1 week uptime) no crashes or lockups...

--Conclusion: At least in my case the X lockup problem was definitely a software-derived problem. Upgrading everything and downgrading the Nvidia drivers solved the crashes/lockups.

(I haven't yet dared to try the newest Nvidia drivers...)

alaa · Post by **alaa** » Wed Jul 06, 2005 2:49 pm

Well everyone, one thing I know for sure is that when I moved from nvidia to nv in my xorg.conf file my pc has been rock solid for over a month now.

What does this suggest? A problem with the nvidia driver that's what.

Am I 100% sure? No

Has anyone had xorg lockup with nv?

X.org Lockups (part 2)

Re: big fonts crashes xorg