The cow thing is LAME

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theJackalnz · Post by **theJackalnz** » Thu Jun 29, 2006 5:03 pm

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v466/ ... gentoo.png

yah, i know its crap, but at least im trying~!

Kensai · Post by **Kensai** » Thu Jun 29, 2006 5:11 pm

theJackalnz wrote:http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v466/ ... gentoo.png

yah, i know its crap, but at least im trying~!

well at leadt you have the idea.

StarDragon · Post by **StarDragon** » Thu Jun 29, 2006 6:19 pm

theJackalnz wrote:http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v466/ ... gentoo.png

yah, i know its crap, but at least im trying~!

i really like this one...! my fav aninals are wolfs how bout changin the cow for a wolf, i mean at least a wolf eats other animals and is not stupid like a cow.

d i g i t a l · Post by **d i g i t a l** » Thu Jun 29, 2006 6:36 pm

well I don't run gentoo (yet) but just browsing through the site I see no traces of Larry.

I never understood why all these open source groups needed some kind of animal to represent them like they were college sports teams or something. I don't think a living mascot is needed, suns logo always looked pretty cool as did the old SGI cube. Come up with something like that or just keep the silver 'g' I think it looks pretty sleek.

Larry might be lame but he doesn't come anywhere close to the lameness that is Hexley, the mascot for Darwin.

theJackalnz · Post by **theJackalnz** » Thu Jun 29, 2006 6:53 pm

d i g i t a l wrote: Larry might be lame but he doesn't come anywhere close to the lameness that is Hexley, the mascot for Darwin.

Hexley is cute

janiskr · Post by **janiskr** » Thu Jun 29, 2006 6:54 pm

gentoo has large community, why not to introduce second mascot?

like Cow and Chicken

Got Milk?
Got balls... ehmmm eggs?

theJackalnz · Post by **theJackalnz** » Thu Jun 29, 2006 7:01 pm

StarDragon wrote:
theJackalnz wrote:http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v466/ ... gentoo.png

yah, i know its crap, but at least im trying~!
i really like this one...! my fav aninals are wolfs how bout changin the cow for a wolf, i mean at least a wolf eats other animals and is not stupid like a cow.

1: Im not a genius artist who can draw everything ( that piece alone is pushing my boundaries

)
2: If it were to be something other than a cow, then the whole "no bull, no bullshit) doesn't quite have the same twist to it
3: IMO, Larry the cow, is the gentoo creature, and it will take a lot to change that
4: Visualise in your head, you see "cow", and associate with "tame dosile creature we get milk from". yet a bull and a cow are both cows. And a bull would inspire completely different connotations, like power, anger, etc,etc. Chicago Bulls could technically be called "the Chicago Cows" ,.. as a bull really is a cow, and Lambourghini would be the grand symbol of woosiness, due to its logo being that of a bull , which Im sorry... is a cow

5: Cows are user friendly. Bulls are not. Features ++ ( but cows do get pissy some times, and cows do have horns, so watch out )
6: Gentoo is about community, Cows are communal
7: Cows are hard working, and tough, and have many uses. As does gentoo.
8: Cows have titties./. Guys Like titties, Guys like gentoo... ( im being funny here, not serious, but still, its worth pointing out

)

</rant>

Napalm Llama · Post by **Napalm Llama** » Thu Jun 29, 2006 7:11 pm

Sephirot, I love your sig! The first bit is so true (I was on SuSE before and had no idea how anything worked, or even what half the root-level directories were for) - and the second bit actually made me laugh out loud (first time a sig's ever done that, I think).

Woo to you!

...and in a feeble attempt to keep this wandering post on topic: Go Larry!

[edit:]
Oops, sorry - mustn't have noticed the extra page slipping in there before I posted...

tsunam · Post by **tsunam** » Thu Jun 29, 2006 7:37 pm

Its amazing to me, that being a community project, there's such a large commercial presence as well. It goes to show that Gentoo as a whole has done something right. However, I don't think we should get rid of our heritage, and I started a topic on -dev a while ago when larry had initially disappeared and was going to be used in a minor roll. So in part for those who want to have gentoo be commercially viable by having a professional mascot can in some ways blame me for him being there looking at you in a cartoonish way.

Other large companies have in their history has fairly silly logos for their company. Its not a unique thing to any one company. It happens in all.

curtis119 · Post by **curtis119** » Thu Jun 29, 2006 8:04 pm

tsunam wrote:Its amazing to me, that being a community project, there's such a large commercial presence as well. It goes to show that Gentoo as a whole has done something right. However, I don't think we should get rid of our heritage, and I started a topic on -dev a while ago when larry had initially disappeared and was going to be used in a minor roll. So in part for those who want to have gentoo be commercially viable by having a professional mascot can in some ways blame me for him being there looking at you in a cartoonish way.

Other large companies have in their history has fairly silly logos for their company. Its not a unique thing to any one company. It happens in all.

OK, I thought that I had explained myself enough in that thread you are referring to but oviously I didn't. I NEVER intended to get rid of Larry. In fact, my plan was to make even MORE use of him on the website. Taking down the poster on the about page was just something that I had talked about with several other devs and they all agreed that the poster SUCKED. Not Larry but the poster itself. I even started making custom apache error pages that feature Larry and was experimenting with making Larry be a watermark on all of our pages. It's just that people SAW the poster go away but they DIDN'T see any of the other stuff so they panicked.

I love Larry. I mean, HELLO! I'm a big flaming homo and Larry is a transexual cow.... How could I NOT love him?

pilla · Post by **pilla** » Thu Jun 29, 2006 8:56 pm

curtis119 wrote: I love Larry. I mean, HELLO! I'm a big flaming homo and Larry is a transexual cow.... How could I NOT love him?

Fear of the competition?

geniux · Post by **geniux** » Thu Jun 29, 2006 9:05 pm

pilla wrote:
curtis119 wrote: I love Larry. I mean, HELLO! I'm a big flaming homo and Larry is a transexual cow.... How could I NOT love him?
Fear of the competition?

lol

Leave Larry alone, he's not disturbing anyone. I kinda like him, go Larry

Kensai · Post by **Kensai** » Thu Jun 29, 2006 9:10 pm

pilla wrote:Fear of the competition?

L O L

SirYes · Post by **SirYes** » Fri Jun 30, 2006 12:01 am

massctrl wrote:I understand, and I can't say you're wrong but unfortunately it doesn't work like that....
Don't underestimate the importance of how a project is presented to the public.
People often make the wrong conclusions after a first impression. Which is stupid and short sighted I know,

But in the end *if* they accept Gentoo, they should better be prepared for what Gentoo really is. And Larry fits the overall picture quite well IMHO. Gentoo is NOT as stable/polished/braindead/whatever as other distributions.

Edit:

ozbird wrote:Rumour has it that Larry was the inspiration for Microsoft development OS codeword: Longhorn.

That's literally THE BEST rumour about Larry I've ever heard!

Almost spilled my soda after seeing this.

energyman76b · Post by **energyman76b** » Fri Jun 30, 2006 2:44 am

massctrl wrote: Don't get me wrong, I love gentoo and the whole organisation, but it's hard to convince decision makers with this. sorry

so what?

where does it say 'gentoo is for commercial entities to trust their business upon'

There are distros for that - like SLES, RHEL& others.

energyman76b · Post by **energyman76b** » Fri Jun 30, 2006 2:54 am

btw:

cows are the most intelligent and wise beings on earth!

Southpark said so, in Episode 101: Cartman gets an anal probe.

(and that is a good reason for the ufo-guy to stay too! Aliens love cows for their intelligence. So they look for cows whereever they go. If we keep Larry, the loveable geeky cow, we will be the first contacted by aliens!)

mottmar · Post by **mottmar** » Fri Jun 30, 2006 7:08 am

I don't think larry should embarrass us.. he is a male cow as his name is a masculine one, but she is female as bulls (if I remember well) do not have tits. what's wrong with it (we're talking about a virtual cow after all)? gentoo has nothing to do with the sexual identity of anyone - I believe it is simply right to have such funny a mascot, let anyone see what he prefers in it. gentoo isn't about cows. gentoo is about choice. and it was larry who told many of us about this. you don't like larry, would you instead replace him with a quiche and code back again portage in pascal? that's ok:

Code: Select all

USE="-larry quiche" emerge -e world"

as for myself, i'll keep larry...

SirYes · Post by **SirYes** » Fri Jun 30, 2006 8:00 am

BTW.
I think that the flying saucer also have a habitant.
And it can be found in the forums sometimes. Just look:

Green guys from outer space are coming! Run for your lives!

*LOL*

Massimo B. · Post by **Massimo B.** » Fri Jun 30, 2006 8:25 am

The current logo becomes more and more the simple g, and the cow seems to disappear.
But I remember well when I boot my first gentoo CD and saw the 2004.1 splash with the old classic gentoo mascot, Larry the Cow., and I got the faint idea that gentoo is a special OS for special people. I like the cow, being a gentoo classic.
Currently creating myself a G T-shirt, I'm considering creating a Larry shirt as well after that discussion.

I know gentoo is more than a grafical flashy mouse driven OS, but I was impressed by the funky but clean appearance (comparing to a booting Debian, even our baselayout cultivates a tidy dump).

PS.: I have to admit.. What I dislike is the illustration of the cow's body as a whole. That reminds more of a milk commercial.
I'm not sure if that has appeared like that in the beginning. I just remember the cartoon of the funny cow's face.

TequilaTR · Post by **TequilaTR** » Fri Jun 30, 2006 8:32 am

I like the "G" and also i like the cow. Cows are really cool - Muuhhhh!!!! :D

Napalm Llama · Post by **Napalm Llama** » Fri Jun 30, 2006 9:06 am

I agree, Larry definately should feature more prominantly in Gentoo - maybe if I get time I'll have a go at coding a patch to the kernel to bring back the bootlogo, or submit an ASCII Larry to that page of pre-made MOTD things (if I can find it!).

And by the way, I didn't realise that the big G was in fact a G for quite a while - it's always looked more like a stylised purple Pac-Man to me.

cwest · Post by **cwest** » Fri Jun 30, 2006 10:25 am

Gentoo *g* (that's the "g")
- Official Logo.
- Clean, "Corporate" and simple.
-References to the name of the distro ("Gentoo" - doh!).

Larry the Cow
-(Un?) Official Mascot
-A Transsexual Cow.
-Gentoo isn't "usual". Neither is Larry.
-The cow-part might signify "GNU", but GNU/Linux is sort of transsexual.
-So what to better represent our unique blend of GNU/Linux than a transsexual mascot?

the Flying Saucer
-(Really Secret) Mascot.
-Symbolizes our "Ricer" image.
-"SciFi" - that is, Gentoo is "Next Generation"
-We are bleedin' edge, Gentoo == Flying Saucer you know.
-Telltale of our many strange, alien and superior developers.

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I say:
Penguins are mascots of Linux proper, Gnu Bulls are mascots of GNU proper. Gentoo is an unique GNU/Linux distribution. Let's show this with Larry our Transsexual Cow!

curtis119 · Post by **curtis119** » Fri Jun 30, 2006 3:08 pm

cwest wrote:Gentoo *g* (that's the "g")
- Official Logo.
- Clean, "Corporate" and simple.
-References to the name of the distro ("Gentoo" - doh!).

Larry the Cow
-(Un?) Official Mascot
-A Transsexual Cow.
-Gentoo isn't "usual". Neither is Larry.
-The cow-part might signify "GNU", but GNU/Linux is sort of transsexual.
-So what to better represent our unique blend of GNU/Linux than a transsexual mascot?

the Flying Saucer
-(Really Secret) Mascot.
-Symbolizes our "Ricer" image.
-"SciFi" - that is, Gentoo is "Next Generation"
-We are bleedin' edge, Gentoo == Flying Saucer you know.
-Telltale of our many strange, alien and superior developers.

---

I say:
Penguins are mascots of Linux proper, Gnu Bulls are mascots of GNU proper. Gentoo is an unique GNU/Linux distribution. Let's show this with Larry our Transsexual Cow!

Very nice post. Remember though, Gentoo isn't only Linux, we also have GentooFreeBSD, GentooOpenBSD, GentooDragonFlyBSD, GentooMacOSX and others. (although, only the freeBSD and MacOSX actually work at the moment). The devs are actively working to support other OS's as well.

R.Smith · Post by **R.Smith** » Fri Jun 30, 2006 3:42 pm

curtis119 wrote:
cwest wrote:Gentoo *g* (that's the "g")
- Official Logo.
- Clean, "Corporate" and simple.
-References to the name of the distro ("Gentoo" - doh!).

Larry the Cow
-(Un?) Official Mascot
-A Transsexual Cow.
-Gentoo isn't "usual". Neither is Larry.
-The cow-part might signify "GNU", but GNU/Linux is sort of transsexual.
-So what to better represent our unique blend of GNU/Linux than a transsexual mascot?

the Flying Saucer
-(Really Secret) Mascot.
-Symbolizes our "Ricer" image.
-"SciFi" - that is, Gentoo is "Next Generation"
-We are bleedin' edge, Gentoo == Flying Saucer you know.
-Telltale of our many strange, alien and superior developers.

---

I say:
Penguins are mascots of Linux proper, Gnu Bulls are mascots of GNU proper. Gentoo is an unique GNU/Linux distribution. Let's show this with Larry our Transsexual Cow!
Very nice post. Remember though, Gentoo isn't only Linux, we also have GentooFreeBSD, GentooOpenBSD, GentooDragonFlyBSD, GentooMacOSX and others. (although, only the freeBSD and MacOSX actually work at the moment). The devs are actively working to support other OS's as well.

Just out of sheer idle curiosity, why do we also have those other kernels? Is it just because we can or is there some plan for them?

curtis119 · Post by **curtis119** » Fri Jun 30, 2006 4:40 pm

R.Smith wrote: Just out of sheer idle curiosity, why do we also have those other kernels? Is it just because we can or is there some plan for them?

A developer had an itch...and he scratched it. That's pretty much all I know. The code he produced is excellent though and really made the entire Gentoo build sysem OS agnostic. It's relatively easy now for other OS's to be ported to Gentoo thanks to all of his (and a few others) hard work.

flameeyes++

The cow thing is LAME

long live larry