Gentoo's website design

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bsd · Post by **bsd** » Tue Jun 17, 2003 1:17 pm

Hello, just wondering if gentoo can make a text-only webpage and a more professional page. To tell the truth first time I looked at the site, it looked too pretty and I held off on trying it. Could you make a type of cookie setting where user can choose site design and page loads? FreeBSD.org, OpenBSD.org are the professional type im talking about. 1 image, rest text . Professional looks better. --Bsd

second words.. the website designer and forum moderator needs to grow up. n00bie? l337? Gentoo would get more people if the website designers would make the website interesting(professional).

I know people that would absolutely love to use gentoo, but the childish moderators of the gentoo would scare them away.

idl · Post by **idl** » Tue Jun 17, 2003 1:23 pm

I wouldn't call freebsd.org and openbsd.org prefesional looking. IMO they are boring and ugly, sure they serve their purpose, but a little eye candy can go a long way.
The Gentoo design is very friendly, and I think reflects Gentoo's young, full of life nature. A conservative looking site wouldn't suit Gentoo.

Your post to me sounds a little on the verge of flame bait,

bsd · Post by **bsd** » Tue Jun 17, 2003 1:29 pm

Trust me, those are professional, high performance websites. --Bsd

bsolar · Post by **bsolar** » Tue Jun 17, 2003 1:35 pm

bsd wrote:Trust me, those are professional, high performance websites. --Bsd

I trust you, but still I'm curious. What makes those websites "professional" and "high performance" in your opinion? Have you some specific suggestions to improve the Gentoo site and/or the Forums?

I personally focus on the content of something BTW I'd like a text-only website.

jimlynch11 · Post by **jimlynch11** » Tue Jun 17, 2003 1:35 pm

i do agree that those other sites look pretty decent, but i also think the gentoo site holds its own pretty damn well. straightforward, everything available on one page (via the top and left links) plus the latest information as the main part of the page. much better than some of the other non-commercial distros (www.debian.org www.slackware.com)
oh, and putting off trying a distro because you think its site looks bad? what did your mother teach you about judging a book by its cover?

bsd · Post by **bsd** » Tue Jun 17, 2003 1:38 pm

Websites judge the company. How the website looks judges the company. Its all part of representation on the web that can make more customers(users). debian.org is actually nice. But slackware is complete crap. --Bsd

idl · Post by **idl** » Tue Jun 17, 2003 1:47 pm

bsd wrote:Trust me, those are professional, high performance websites. --Bsd

I'm sorry, I don't trust you. I agree that they are high performance, but they are not prefessional looking. I have been designing websites for around 4 years now, so I know what I'm talking about.

bsolar · Post by **bsolar** » Tue Jun 17, 2003 1:48 pm

bsd wrote:Websites judge the company. How the website looks judges the company. Its all part of representation on the web that can make more customers(users).

BTW I haven't understood precisely what you don't like in gentoo.org's layout and what instead you like in, say, freebsd.org.

bsd · Post by **bsd** » Tue Jun 17, 2003 1:51 pm

Maybe you should go see a few more professional websites then. You would know that when i say "Simple is professional" if you were a real web designer you would know this. --Bsd

What I mean by gentoo.org's layout is that they have too many images. A pictures everywhere on the page. Picture bloat.

jimlynch11 · Post by **jimlynch11** » Tue Jun 17, 2003 1:59 pm

bsd wrote:Maybe you should go see a few more professional websites then. You would know that when i say "Simple is professional" if you were a real web designer you would know this. --Bsd

calm down gentlemen

...bsd, perhaps your argument would carry more weight and receive more consideration if you identified specific aspects of the sites that you like or don't like. simply saying that freebsd.org = God's gift to professional websites and gentoo.org = crappy just makes you sound pissed off and/or thoughtless.

idl · Post by **idl** » Tue Jun 17, 2003 2:00 pm

bsd wrote:Maybe you should go see a few more professional websites then. You would know that when i say "Simple is professional" if you were a real web designer you would know this. --Bsd

Thats not allways true. freebsd.org and openbsd.org are probably professionaly coded, but not design wise.

Take http://www.2advanced.com/ now thats a professional website in design and creation. It may be a little OTT on the flash but it is none the less a professional site.

http://redhat.com is a preofessional simple design. http://freebsd.org is not.

If I created a site that looked like freebsd.org for a client's .com he'd tell me where to stick my design and go find another webmaster.

jimlynch11 · Post by **jimlynch11** » Tue Jun 17, 2003 2:04 pm

port001 wrote:
Take http://www.2advanced.com/ now thats a professional website in design and creation. It may be a little OTT on the flash but it is none the less a professional site.

is that your design?

bsd · Post by **bsd** » Tue Jun 17, 2003 2:08 pm

I'm not saying gentoo.com is crappy. Just looks too pretty. Images are not sharp. --Bsd

idl · Post by **idl** » Tue Jun 17, 2003 2:10 pm

OK, here are my reasons why freebsd.org doesn't have a professional design:

1. The same font is used everywhere
2. The colour scheme is awfull
3. The main image is very poor quality, its also a gif
4. The layout lacks any form of imagination

idl · Post by **idl** » Tue Jun 17, 2003 2:12 pm

jimlynch11 wrote:
port001 wrote:
Take http://www.2advanced.com/ now thats a professional website in design and creation. It may be a little OTT on the flash but it is none the less a professional site.
is that your design?

I wish.

bsd · Post by **bsd** » Tue Jun 17, 2003 2:26 pm

[quote="port001"]OK, here are my reasons why freebsd.org doesn't have a professional design:

1. The same font is used everywhere
2. The colour scheme is awfull
3. The main image is very poor quality, its also a gif
4. The layout lacks any form of imagination[/quote]

Congratulations port001. You just downed the professional website standards and proved to me that you are just a kid who spends too much time surfing the web. --Bsd

jimlynch11 · Post by **jimlynch11** » Tue Jun 17, 2003 2:35 pm

bsd wrote:
port001 wrote:OK, here are my reasons why freebsd.org doesn't have a professional design:

1. The same font is used everywhere
2. The colour scheme is awfull
3. The main image is very poor quality, its also a gif
4. The layout lacks any form of imagination
Congratulations port001. You just downed the professional website standards and proved to me that you are just a kid who spends too much time surfing the web. --Bsd

hostility, yikes. speaking of kids, port takes the time to list out a bunch of reasons why he dislikes the site, and your only response is an insult? obviously a mature debate involving two different opinions isnt a concept that you handle very well is it? sounds like you're the kid, dude.

ps - whats wrong with being a kid that spends too much time surfing the web anyway? wouldnt someone who surfs the web alot have a better understanding and frame of reference to determine a good or a bad website than someone who doesnt spend that much time on the web?

mpsii · Post by **mpsii** » Tue Jun 17, 2003 2:36 pm

-BSD
Shut up... At least he gave constructive critique. You're assessment of gentoo.org's web page lacks thinking, motivation, professionalism, and most of all... constructive reasoning.

I agree that the color scheme on freebsd.org is an eyesore; however, it is laid out in a normal, intuitive fashion that web browsers are used to encountering.

Gentoo.org has a simple interface, calm/pleasing color scheme, and well designed graphics. One area that could be worked on would be the medium blue text on medium gray background. This is terrible on my eyes, especially at 1280x1024.

The biggest assest to both websites is that they are well and regularly maintained. There have been linux/OS distributions with sites that have not been updated for 6 months or more, even when active coding is going on.

idl · Post by **idl** » Tue Jun 17, 2003 2:37 pm

You find me popular commercial site thats similar to design in freebsd.org then. Remember, it has to use the same font everywhere, haven a shit layout, images that look like they have been hand drawn in paint and a colour scheme that was chosen by a blind person.

Once you've done that little task, I believe you can leave these forums as personal attacks are not welcome here.

Raoul_Duke · Post by **Raoul_Duke** » Tue Jun 17, 2003 2:39 pm

Why is gentoo's website design so important??

I think someone earlier mentioned not judging a book by it's cover......surely the OS itself should be thing that is judged not your personal preferences of web design.

Changing the design of the site wouldn't achieve anything but wasting time to keep a minority happy (i don't remember any one else complaining)!!

Please, we have a friendly community, starting your forum prescence with potential flame bait is not a good way to start....first impressions etc..

bsd · Post by **bsd** » Tue Jun 17, 2003 2:56 pm

I was just asking in the first post. Its you Port001 who had to start insulting the pages i was posting. You need to quit with your testosterone spree. --Bsd

idl · Post by **idl** » Tue Jun 17, 2003 3:01 pm

bsd wrote:I was just asking in the first post. Its you Port001 who had to start insulting the pages i was posting. You need to quit with your testosterone spree. --Bsd

I take it you don't know what IMO means.

And once again... your personal attacks are not welcome here.

bsolar · Post by **bsolar** » Tue Jun 17, 2003 3:04 pm

bsd wrote:Its you Port001 who had to start insulting the pages i was posting.

I don't see insults, just critics, like the one you gave on gentoo.org.

Please everyone, keep the discussion professional, address other users with the adeguate tone and ground your statements on facts and reasonments.

Raoul_Duke · Post by **Raoul_Duke** » Tue Jun 17, 2003 3:05 pm

bsd wrote:I was just asking in the first post. Its you Port001 who had to start insulting the pages i was posting. You need to quit with your testosterone spree. --Bsd

port001 is a respected member of this forum....he has no history of flaming.

Re-read your original post.....it's a bit harsh and demanding for a new visitor.

paranode · Post by **paranode** » Tue Jun 17, 2003 3:20 pm

I think Gentoo's layout is intuitive and eye-pleasing. As mentioned above, FreeBSD and OpenBSD (especially) use unpleasant fonts and colors, and it looks bland. This, to me, is unprofessional-looking if anything. The only professional site that should be that bland is something like Google, which is a super-high-traffic website that serves only one purpose. Even Slashdot has a better layout and scheme than the BSD sites you mentioned and I'm sure it gets a lot more traffic. It sounds to me (and based on your user name) that you are just biased towards BSD.