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The Filesystem choice thread

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lunatc
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The Filesystem choice thread

Post by lunatc » Fri May 10, 2002 12:04 am

I am a rc6-upgraded-to-1.1a Gentoo user. When I first installed my (lovely) Gentoo system I decided to make XFS as my default, because reading the install doc, it seems to me a solid storage solution.
But recently, I've observed in the forums that has many problems to make it work on the new kernel releases. So...

Why shoud I keep working on XFS? It could be a good filesystem but if it's future integration on then kernel tree it's such a problematic thing like it seems to be now, why not use a more "kernel-compliant" filesystem like ext3 or Reiserfs? :roll:

Meanwhile, I still keep on using my old good 2.4.17-r5 "XFS'able" kernel
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EDIT: Was "recommend XFS?" --pjp
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Post by leaf » Fri May 10, 2002 2:47 pm

The latest gentoo kernel sources have the XFS code included.
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Post by vert » Fri May 10, 2002 3:20 pm

I use XFS both on my personal Gentoo system and a Debian server. Never had any problems with it on either and gives excellent performance (also with very full disks :wink:). So I will stick with XFS.
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Post by arkane » Fri May 10, 2002 3:33 pm

I have to say the *ONLY* reason I really stopped using XFS was because it could not shrink. It stressed me out to jump "backwards" to reiserfs and ext3, but it's something I had to do.
(running LVM, and I do resize them occasionally.. I've done it twice so far)
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Post by Malakin » Sat May 11, 2002 1:59 am

This poll would be more usefull if it was worded like this:
"Do you think XFS is the best choice for Linux?"
Since Linux and any jounalling filesytems is certainly a good choice ;)
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I tried it and had massive hard drive corruption

Post by Guest » Sat May 11, 2002 2:33 pm

I tried XFS when I first installed Gentoo about 4-5 months ago. I read Drobbins install document and he seemed to be really keen on it, so I thought I'd try it instead of EXT3. Anyhow, I have a Via KT266A chipset with onboard UDMA100 IDE. Whenever I would write a lot of data to the disk at once and fill up my cache in memory, after about 30 minutes or so of heavy disk access the i/o would stop, and my machine would be hung waiting for I/O. It was the most bizarre thing, because you could actually login to a console, and it would let you type in your username and password, but as soon as the disk drive had to read the shadow file to authenticate you, you would never get past that point, because the whole computer was hung waiting for I/O. I tried every option I could think of, at first I thought it was a hardware issue with IRQ sharing or some other such nonsense, but eventually I switched to ReiserFS and all of my problems went away.

I haven't had one lockup since, and I even tried going back to XFS about a month ago hoping that maybe the patches had caught up to it, but alas, it's still just as buggy as ever on a Via chipset (Epox 8KHA+ mobo in case you're curious). I have no doubt that it's great on some people's systems, but Reiser has actually worked flawlessly for me, and it's very fast. I don't know why so many people knock it. Reiser and EXT3 are the only 2 Linux filesystems worth knowing about, oh and maybe EXT2 just for speed. There are way too many bleading edge filesystems that are too buggy to trust your data to. I don't want to have to rely on a kernel patch just to read my filesystem. That's bad...
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Post by JefP@@ » Sat May 11, 2002 4:23 pm

XFS is working great here !!

I've used several other filesystems, and I must say, xfs appears best to me ;)
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Post by sven » Sun May 12, 2002 1:00 pm

I recently switched from ReiserFS to XFS because I had lots of problems with ReiserFS ... losing data, system crashes etc. I have no problems since using XFS!
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Post by AutoBot » Sun May 12, 2002 3:47 pm

I used XFS on Gentoo and Debian, I must say it is a nice filesystem and I never lost any data. But for a general linux desktop it seems ext3 or ReiserFS to be the wise choice, but I say use what you like and what serves your purpose be it XFS or even JFS :)
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Post by dacoval » Mon May 13, 2002 4:06 am

When i started using Gentoo, I switched from Ext3 too XFS, and havent looked back. Its been fantastic, both on my desktops, and now on my servers. w00t for XFS!
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Post by dArkMaGE » Mon May 13, 2002 6:59 am

does anyone know of any links to actual data (benchmarks etc.) on the performance of ext3 xfs reiserfs?
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Post by AutoBot » Mon May 13, 2002 8:29 am

This is where I got all my information.

http://www.google.com/search?q=xfs%20vs ... 8&oe=utf-8

8O Google-ized 8O
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convert

Post by Guest » Mon May 13, 2002 10:10 am

Right now i use ext3
Can i convert to XFS?
I mean without formating the HD :-)
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Post by AutoBot » Mon May 13, 2002 9:59 pm

No you will have to backup and format to xfs.
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JFS wars.

Post by temperanza » Mon May 20, 2002 7:28 am

Which JFS do you use? I've been using XFS, but I'm wondering if the gentoo optimized kernel and the ruggedness of ext3 are worth a swiitch. And there's people who like reiserfs, even with these reports of data corruption. Feedback might help me choose.
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Post by Target » Mon May 20, 2002 8:24 am

ext2 = poo
ext3 = poo
reiserfs = poo
xfs = poo

That said, xfs is probably the least stinky, though you can't use the kernel-preempt patch with it. I use ext3 because it doesn't put my data through a thresher and lets me use the preempt patch. :D
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The Filesystem choice thread (was: XFS or Ext3)

Post by eivinn » Sun Oct 13, 2002 10:44 am

Hi,

I have now got internet back up and am planning to install Gentoo 1.4rc1.
Therefore I am wondering if it's best to use Ext3 or XFS. I am the "only" real user of the computer and use it for developing C++, Java programs and also a bit of gaming (GF4). What is faster, what is more reliable?

Thanks for any short explanation :roll:
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XFS

Post by Bushmann » Sun Oct 13, 2002 11:49 am

XFS is faster, no doubt. About reliability, don't know, never had any problem with my XFS partitions.
But, at least with the current versions, you need a special kernel version. (Either xfs-sources or gentoo r7, r8/r9 don't work)
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Post by craftyc » Sun Oct 13, 2002 12:27 pm

I believe that the -r10 has the xfs patch.

From the ebuild
# This is the XFS filesystem from SGI, use at your own risk ;)
[ `use xfs` ] || rm *xfs*
You will however need to unmask it from packages.mask.
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Post by eivinn » Mon Oct 14, 2002 8:43 am

This means that if I favour gentoo-sources, I would prefer Ext3 as well for now?

I haven't had any problems with either XFS or Ext3, but wonder if any is the better choice :wink:
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Post by jondkent » Mon Oct 14, 2002 9:37 am

Its seems, from looking at the latest install doc, that XFS has fallen out of favour with the Gentoo developers because of reported corruption issues. ext3 is now the favoured fs type.

That said I've been using XFS for quite a while and have had no problems with it, and XFS patches are available for all of the recent kernel sources.

For a easy life use ext3 as that will be built into the stock Gentoo kernel, for a bit of fun use XFS.

Choices, love 'em

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Post by phong » Mon Oct 14, 2002 1:20 pm

I'd probably choose XFS over ext3 unless you want backwards compatability. However, have you considered ReiserFS?
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Post by mrchuckles » Mon Oct 14, 2002 1:25 pm

ReiserFS is much faster than Ext3, and some would argue even as stable. Yes, there have been past issues of data corruption, but these issues have been ironed out for the most part. I've been using ReiserFS on my home system for at least 6 months with no problems. I also have a Squid server at work using ReiserFS for the cache partition, and it hums along quite nicely.

XFS is nice, but it's a bitch to get working with the low-latency kernel patch, and offers no real benefits over ReiserFS for most purposes.
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Post by taskara » Mon Oct 14, 2002 1:29 pm

for speed choose other than ext2 / 3
for reliability, definately ext3
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Post by eivinn » Mon Oct 14, 2002 1:34 pm

With speed in mind. Would I see a difference when playing UT2003 or any games with larger textures?

I think I'll go for the slower, and hopefully as reliable as possible, Ext3 for now.
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