New kind of bootsplash !

elapointe · n00b Joined: 04 Apr 2004 Posts: 34

I know that the new fedora Core 2 use a new booting process

Past post have no new development
https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=135306&highlight=fedora+bootsplash

"Fedora doesn't actually run bootsplash, it simply starts the X server as soon as possible, and runs the graphical boot before going into GDM. "

Look that : http://www.flexbeta.net/images/linux_comparison/fedora_bootsplash.jpeg

I need help to install that

I repeat this is not a bootsplash theme !

EDITED : it's called RHGB
https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=105556&highlight=rhgb

fourwood · Apprentice Joined: 17 May 2003 Posts: 197

I, for one, would enjoy seeing this as an option in Gentoo.

Now, before people jump on me for this, note that I said option. I don't want to rid myself of the console. I use the console all the time. I would, however, not pass up a chance to make the boot process a bit prettier.

neuron · Advocate Joined: 28 May 2002 Posts: 2371

I agree, I got two boxes, neither of which can use framebuffer for different reasons (breaks ati closed source driver on one box, and breaks suspend to ram on my laptop). Would be very neat to have this imho

NME · Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2004 11:48 am Post subject:

an option maybe, but i would never ever want to mimic the behaviour of fedora, its bootprocess rivals in slowness with Win2k...

and honestly, the idea of launching an X-server to hide your bootmessages is insane, dont you think?
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xlyz · Veteran Joined: 27 Oct 2002 Posts: 1470 Location: Italy

not if you are going to launch it anyway

neuron · Advocate Joined: 28 May 2002 Posts: 2371

exactly, most of us on desktop boxes launches X anyway, personally I use gdm aswell (because that means ctrl+alt+backspace wont put you in a shell, as it would if you log in and write startx, so it's for security reasons), I even start gdm before I start some other services, like wireless setup/acpi/hotplug, most things actually. No reason for me not to start X earlier in the boot process.

And while fedora boot might be slow, winxp boots considerably faster than most linux boxes (simply because they start their login manager way before the system is booted), and fedora's slow boot might not be that affected by the X display of boot process.

playfool · Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2004 1:45 pm Post subject:

This is much niver than the butt ugly bootsplash patch that everyone else uses.. and it's not slow as people would make it out to be.

The only problem is that first few messages are still displayed since that's the kernel, they get ride of most of them using quiet, but you still see console text messages, and there's no bootsplash on logout..

I like this approach a lot more, it doesn't involve hacking the kernel with a patch that has universally been labelled abominal.

gregy_ · n00b Joined: 03 Apr 2004 Posts: 45

Why shouldn't it be possible to run the whole startup process in background and bring GDM login as soon as possible?

MaxDamage · Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2004 4:12 pm Post subject:

I also like the idea. And think people should start thinking on making the boot process faster, as is one of the few things I like more in Windows than Gentoo.
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playfool · Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2004 4:38 pm Post subject:

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apeitheo · Apprentice Joined: 09 Jan 2004 Posts: 222

I don't reboot too often anyway, so why do I care if it takes a little longer to boot than Windows? I don't. Bootsplash would be nice to install sometime, but I don't like the idea of having X start as quick as it can, then stop, and then start again.

drescherjm · Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2004 4:57 pm Post subject:

You guys must not be windows users or you must not have any, domain, network or scsi cards in your windows setup because as a windows user I am really impressed in how fast it takes Gentoo to load compared to windows XP. A reboot in XP with a domain takes me 2 to 5 minutes and this is on a fast machine with a GBit network.
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drescherjm · Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2004 5:01 pm Post subject:

Back to the bootspash. Is everyone sure that this is in X windows? As a gentoo live cd has a similar feature. You see a progress bar on a graphic screen which you can press f2 to see the verbose (details) mode.
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neuron · Advocate Joined: 28 May 2002 Posts: 2371

playfool · Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2004 5:15 pm Post subject:

drescherjm · Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2004 2:00 am Post subject:

Hmm. I have run fedora 2 a few times (I do have it installed at home on the same disk as gentoo) and thought it was the same as what gentoo does. I am almost positive I had it running without starting into X, but I may be wrong..
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Ard Righ · Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2004 3:47 am Post subject:

Nobody here has mentioned what happens if something goes bad during the boot process - if x is covering the console, and linux locks up, can you get back to the console to read the errors ?

With bootsplash, this appears possible. However RHGB is another question.

gregy_ · n00b Joined: 03 Apr 2004 Posts: 45

I assume that is the same as with any other thing that could go wrong during boot: you'll have to do smth (possibley add a boot parameter, for example?)
Anyway: my assumption is that most of the time things do not get wrong. This feature seems to be targeted for those cases. Other cases can be handled as they should be: explicitly...
The advantage of this thing over bootsplash may be arguable, but I think all of us agree that it is nice to see someone doing smth different

even more when it relates to eye-candy.

neuron · Advocate Joined: 28 May 2002 Posts: 2371

any boot progress info that hides linux'es normal display should have an option to disable through boot param, so that's not a problem..

one thing I've been thinking about is the possibility of simply starting gdm damn early in the boot process, and use xosd to show boot progress.

A lot of us will start something like gdm anyway, I'm just using that as an example here btw, what I'm thinking is xdm and whatever's default.

What do we need to load? We need filesystems, but not network filesystems, we need to hide most of the normal boot info, and possibly hotplug to start up usb for usb keyboards, though we could start X first and do that afterwards.

drescherjm · Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2004 2:39 pm Post subject:

I just checked and I was wrong it does indeed load X as after I disabled X there is no bootsplash. I really thought this was not the case because the resolution changes between the bootsplash and the login screen. I know you can change resolutions on the fly with X as I do this everyday with games but it looked very much what I have seen with gentoo.. I wonder whay they do it that way?

And because I do not start X at boot I guess I will stick to the old method...
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