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PostPosted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 8:05 pm    Post subject: Proofread Damnit Reply with quote

Clint Eastwood saves golf director from chocking It's been corrected now but it really did say chocking in the headline. The internet has led to some of the sloppiest journalism ever. A professional wordsmith should be more disciplined. There are endless examples but I digress ...
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 10:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Amazing that they corrected it. Probably only because it was the headline.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 08, 2014 2:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's a really disturbing trend. Writing is a very specific type of language and needs to be learned and employed precisely. When you speak it is acceptable to code switch (i.e. switch dialects depending on whom you are talking to).

These sloppy mistakes in writing and the public's obliviousness will lead to more and more code switching being acceptable in writing. If the spelling is no longer important than jargon, slang, and dialect find their way into professional writing as well. The writer develops a false over-reaching sense of the readers ability to make sense of what he writes.

BTW, It took a long time for writing to develop the precision that it has today. It will likely be short lived and often striven for.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 08, 2014 4:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

@porodzila: I've also wondered about swype and not needing to spell words correctly. This is more an extension of relying on spell-checkers and search engines to correct mistakes, but the pervasiveness seems to be greater with mobile platforms. With spell-checkers and search engines, it was more limited or more specific. With mobile usage, it is in more common dialogue.

Although, given some of the emails I've received, some people were already doomed. :D :twisted: :cry:
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 08, 2014 4:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

porodzila wrote:
It's a really disturbing trend. Writing is a very specific type of language and needs to be learned and employed precisely.


++

Though I could probably just label you a racist and be done with it. All standards are racist. At least that's what TV and pop culture has taught me.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 08, 2014 4:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've always felt that if somebody can't express themselves clearly, then they probably don't think clearly either.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 08, 2014 5:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BoneKracker wrote:
I've always felt that if somebody can't express themselves clearly, then they probably don't think clearly either.


YES!

I've actually spent time thinking about this. When we think, we think in concepts expressed as either words or abstract ideals (numbers etc). If your language is sloppy. it follows that your thinking is sloppy. The greater and more accurate one's vocabulary is, the more accurate and deep their thinking has the potential to become.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 08, 2014 9:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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BoneKracker wrote:
I've always felt that if somebody can't express themselves clearly, then they probably don't think clearly either.


YES!

I've actually spent time thinking about this. When we think, we think in concepts expressed as either words or abstract ideals (numbers etc). If your language is sloppy. it follows that your thinking is sloppy. The greater and more accurate one's vocabulary is, the more accurate and deep their thinking has the potential to become.

and if your native language includes double negatives ...
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 08, 2014 9:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with Bucky that language is the first tool of the industrial revolution but in my world Alan Watts knows more about how things get done.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 08, 2014 9:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

flysideways wrote:
Muso wrote:
BoneKracker wrote:
I've always felt that if somebody can't express themselves clearly, then they probably don't think clearly either.


YES!

I've actually spent time thinking about this. When we think, we think in concepts expressed as either words or abstract ideals (numbers etc). If your language is sloppy. it follows that your thinking is sloppy. The greater and more accurate one's vocabulary is, the more accurate and deep their thinking has the potential to become.

and if your native language includes double negatives ...


Or if one can think in 3 languages...
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 08, 2014 10:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Double negatives have a long standing in spoken English. It is believed by some to be inherited from the French. I employee them in speech on occasion for emphasis or humor. English readers already accept these uses as grammatical in certain cases such as the representation of dialect or use in poetry. But the aim of these styles is to be broad and use as much of the language as possible for effect. The should never be acceptable for other uses.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 08, 2014 10:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They should be not be disallowed in English.

Not nobody == sombody, for example. They allow you to more precisely narrow down on a subject not only from positive perspectives but also anti-negative perspectives, and I think that is not useless. :P
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 08, 2014 10:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bogamol wrote:
They should be not be disallowed in English.

Not nobody == sombody, for example. They allow you to more precisely narrow down on a subject not only from positive perspectives but also anti-negative perspectives, and I think that is not useless. :P


Unfortunately, the average English speaker can not follow through so many logical steps. I personally would be happy to use them as sort of logic gates.

If it doesn't not not rain xor doesn't not rain all day don't uncover no openings.

perfectly understandable.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 09, 2014 1:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Except "don't uncover no openings" is not a true double negative.

When they sang, "I can't get no satisfaction", they weren't complaining about getting too much ass.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 09, 2014 12:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BoneKracker wrote:
Except "don't uncover no openings" is not a true double negative.

When they sang, "I can't get no satisfaction", they weren't complaining about getting too much ass.


That's because the double negative here is for emphasis. Not to negate the negator.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 09, 2014 2:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As in the French: il n'y a pas plus (meaning "there is no more") which literally says "there isn't no more". :lol:
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