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PostPosted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 5:32 pm    Post subject: International Business _Machines_? Reply with quote

Report: IBM to peddle its chip wing
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IBM is rumored to have retained Goldman Sachs to help it put a price on its semiconductor division.

The news was reported by the Financial Times on Thursday afternoon, California time, and follows IBM's long-expected announcement of the sale of its server division to Asian electronics giant Lenovo.
Maybe they could change the name to International Business Metaservices.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 6:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why the hell would they entrust a criminal bank to put a price on their own semiconductor enterprise?
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 6:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Racketeering. They don't really have a choice. Plus, since IBM is paying GS, it is GS' job to estimate in IBM's favor.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 10:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The unit that produced Power CPUs?
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 11:02 pm    Post subject: Re: International Business _Machines_? Reply with quote

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Maybe they could change the name to International Business Metaservices.
They're making more money doing "consulting" than building hardware, so why not?

Besides IBM hardware sucks.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 11:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I seem to recall stating that IBM had lost all relevance. People couldn't understand where I was coming from.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 08, 2014 1:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not sure they're any less relevant than HP, or (lol) Dell. The main problem seems to be focusing on bean counters.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 08, 2014 2:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

HP still has a line of computers. What does IBM actually produce today, AIX? LOL.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 08, 2014 3:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Isn't software a machine too? A machine that controls another machine (the computer) to provide useful work.

here is one definition from wikipedia: A machine is a tool containing one or more parts that uses energy to perform an intended action.

"soft"ware is actually at one level physical components : storage arrays. While the software controls the computer. The computer controls the storage arrays, but ultimately the storage arrays must contain useful instructions for the system to keep working. Thus Software and Computer are two independent machines that control each other.

And really, the machine is the software. Without it a computer is a contraption.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 08, 2014 3:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The hardware is the machine, the software provides the machine with entropy so it can do something more useful than heat the room. Like a bunch of gears make up a mechanical computer, useless until you set the gears to perform a computation. Or a car without petrol. All are still machines, even if they're not being useful.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 08, 2014 4:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

wswartzendruber wrote:
HP still has a line of computers. What does IBM actually produce today, AIX? LOL.
HP is or was trying to become more like IBM. IBM still sells their server & storage, though I've not seen much of it. Something is keeping them afloat in billions. In the cases where I've been more informed about the hardware purchased, it was judged to be a superior product to competitors.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 08, 2014 4:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

IBM has sold their server business to...Lenovo.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 08, 2014 4:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ten bucks says its gets bought by a Chinese company, probably BLX, and with government money.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 08, 2014 4:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Ten bucks says its gets bought by a Chinese company.


Because that's never happened the IBM before... :P
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 08, 2014 4:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

They still sell POWER equipment, and this article is about selling the server business.

Systems & Servers AMD, Intel, POWER, z.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 08, 2014 4:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

POWER?! AHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 08, 2014 4:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The point being they still sell servers. POWER is a great product if it is needed. If the cost can't be justified, it is often disparaged. I worked for a company that threw a lot of money at tech, and the cost for the POWER system didn't make sense for the application.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 08, 2014 4:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What can POWER do that x86-64 can't? I mean besides function as a space heater.

IBM no longer offers Cell-powered servers, Sony left the architecture, Microsoft also left it, and Apple saw the writing on the wall before either of them.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 08, 2014 9:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

aidanjt wrote:
The hardware is the machine, the software provides the machine with entropy so it can do something more useful than heat the room. Like a bunch of gears make up a mechanical computer, useless until you set the gears to perform a computation. Or a car without petrol. All are still machines, even if they're not being useful.


I think you can make the argument that software is a machine that controls another machine.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 08, 2014 11:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wswartzendruber wrote:
What can POWER do that x86-64 can't? I mean besides function as a space heater.
Previously anyway, more performance. Also, enterprise features. Itanium also offers "enterprise" features. Xeon has slowly been adding them. Last I looked, there was still quite a bit that Xeon didn't include. It's been a few years since I've read about Xeon advancement, so I don't know how it compares today.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 09, 2014 12:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What are "enterprise features?"
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 09, 2014 1:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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wswartzendruber wrote:
What can POWER do that x86-64 can't? I mean besides function as a space heater.
Previously anyway, more performance. Also, enterprise features. Itanium also offers "enterprise" features. Xeon has slowly been adding them. Last I looked, there was still quite a bit that Xeon didn't include. It's been a few years since I've read about Xeon advancement, so I don't know how it compares today.

Just ignore him, pjp. He obviously has no idea what he's talking about if he thinks Power chips generate more heat than x86 series chips. He probably doesn't even know what RISC stands for.
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wswartzendruber wrote:
What are "enterprise features?"
http://arstechnica.com/business/2011/06/ask-ars-why-itaniumask-ars-with-xeons-improvement-why-bother-with-itanium/
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 09, 2014 3:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So...the ability to automatically flag memory as bad. That's...interesting I suppose.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 09, 2014 3:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's more to it than just that, but that is certainly part of it.

I've not read all of it yet, but this touches on some of POWER.

http://www-03.ibm.com/systems/power/hardware/whitepapers/ras7.html
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