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PostPosted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 2:26 pm    Post subject: will corruption be centre stage? Reply with quote

I quite like the winter olympics; I am a big fan of winter sports. but the olympics, as usual, are just public money thrown into private hands.

These olympics apparently cost $50B (and counting). In contrast, Vancouver's cost $7B. It's estimated that at least a third of the cost has gone straight to corruption.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/the-costly-distraction-that-is-vladimir-putin-s-sochi-olympics-1.2521816
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 3:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I only need $5 million.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 11:55 pm    Post subject: Obama: US would not spend $50 billion on Olympics Reply with quote

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5inE5rGNYmVkukXXh19FONhE5zZ6g?docId=511345d0-c45b-4ba4-b680-1603ddaba44b

You know when a bitch is jealous... when she says she wouldn't spend $50B on Russian Olympics.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 08, 2014 1:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 08, 2014 5:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aw... somebody likes Obama.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 08, 2014 5:44 am    Post subject: Re: will corruption be centre stage? Reply with quote

juniper wrote:
I quite like the winter olympics; I am a big fan of winter sports. but the olympics, as usual, are just public money thrown into private hands.


I need to ask. Why do you think it's just to have any public funds at all? Why is it ok to take one's money to spend against their will? You have an issue with it being spent on this waste, but don't bat an eye when it's spent on other waste. Is not the confiscation the real problem?
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 08, 2014 7:35 am    Post subject: Re: will corruption be centre stage? Reply with quote

juniper wrote:
I quite like the winter olympics; I am a big fan of winter sports. but the olympics, as usual, are just public money thrown into private hands.

These olympics apparently cost $50B (and counting). In contrast, Vancouver's cost $7B. It's estimated that at least a third of the cost has gone straight to corruption.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/the-costly-distraction-that-is-vladimir-putin-s-sochi-olympics-1.2521816

I hate to be the one to break it to you, but all legitimate government spending is public money going to private hands. Corruption, on the other hand, is when public money goes into the hands of public officials, if indirectly. Corruption is a disease of the State, and it typically happens in inverse proportion to transparency.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 08, 2014 3:30 pm    Post subject: Re: will corruption be centre stage? Reply with quote

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juniper wrote:
I quite like the winter olympics; I am a big fan of winter sports. but the olympics, as usual, are just public money thrown into private hands.

These olympics apparently cost $50B (and counting). In contrast, Vancouver's cost $7B. It's estimated that at least a third of the cost has gone straight to corruption.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/the-costly-distraction-that-is-vladimir-putin-s-sochi-olympics-1.2521816

I hate to be the one to break it to you, but all legitimate government spending is public money going to private hands. Corruption, on the other hand, is when public money goes into the hands of public officials, if indirectly. Corruption is a disease of the State, and it typically happens in inverse proportion to transparency.


Probably poorly stated by me. it's just a way to funnel money to private hands for no good reason.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 09, 2014 6:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe you mean, "for no ethically valid reason". You can bet your ass that Putin has used this opportunity to consolidate power and float his own boat, like a miniature version of Obama with his trillion-dollar "stimulus" slush fund and "shovel-ready projects". Our media protects him though, and loves to throw feces at Russia.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 09, 2014 7:01 am    Post subject: Re: will corruption be centre stage? Reply with quote

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juniper wrote:
I quite like the winter olympics; I am a big fan of winter sports. but the olympics, as usual, are just public money thrown into private hands.


I need to ask. Why do you think it's just to have any public funds at all? Why is it ok to take one's money to spend against their will? You have an issue with it being spent on this waste, but don't bat an eye when it's spent on other waste. Is not the confiscation the real problem?


*cough* *ahem*
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 09, 2014 11:30 am    Post subject: Re: will corruption be centre stage? Reply with quote

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Muso wrote:
juniper wrote:
I quite like the winter olympics; I am a big fan of winter sports. but the olympics, as usual, are just public money thrown into private hands.


I need to ask. Why do you think it's just to have any public funds at all? Why is it ok to take one's money to spend against their will? You have an issue with it being spent on this waste, but don't bat an eye when it's spent on other waste. Is not the confiscation the real problem?


*cough* *ahem*


because:

you need infrastructure
you need to keep the captialist assholes from poisioning people
you need to keep the peace

for that you need money

since people are egotistical assholes and the richer they get the bigger the asshole, you have to 'force them' to contribute a fair share.

that said, everybody who makes money on the backs of others already robbs them. Why do you think it is bad to take away a thieves loot?
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 10, 2014 3:17 pm    Post subject: Re: will corruption be centre stage? Reply with quote

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juniper wrote:
I quite like the winter olympics; I am a big fan of winter sports. but the olympics, as usual, are just public money thrown into private hands.


I need to ask. Why do you think it's just to have any public funds at all? Why is it ok to take one's money to spend against their will? You have an issue with it being spent on this waste, but don't bat an eye when it's spent on other waste. Is not the confiscation the real problem?


*cough* *ahem*


there is all sorts of waste in spending, public or private.

But in terms of public spending there's waste and then there is waste and corruption. I am not a TAX IS THEFT person. Spending on olympics and heathcare and education are different things.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 10, 2014 3:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's Russia. Political corruption is enshrined in their society.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 10, 2014 6:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In soviet russia, politics corrupts you
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 10, 2014 6:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Naib wrote:
In soviet russia, politics corrupts you
Hang on... Naib has a sense of humour?
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 10, 2014 6:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

notageek wrote:
Naib wrote:
In soviet russia, politics corrupts you
Hang on... Naib has a sense of humour?

But of course! One look at his avatar will confirm that.

I've been meaning to tell you Naib, that is the second best avi on OtW.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 11, 2014 4:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Old School wrote:
notageek wrote:
Naib wrote:
In soviet russia, politics corrupts you
Hang on... Naib has a sense of humour?

But of course! One look at his avatar will confirm that.

I've been meaning to tell you Naib, that is the second best avi on OtW.

Yes, courtesy of moi. 8)
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 11, 2014 9:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My only concern is that the women's curling teams are not dressed like the women's volleyball teams. That would be an improvement.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 12, 2014 5:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The uniform should be tennis shoes, long thermal socks, and a five inch strip of adhesive pipe insulating tape over the clam.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 12, 2014 5:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Darth Marley wrote:
My only concern is that the women's curling teams are not dressed like the women's volleyball teams. That would be an improvement.


That would make "Shuffleboard on Ice" actually watchable.

[rant] Ok, there is a difference between a sport and a game. While all sports are games, not all games are sports. If a 200 kg slob can play it, it's not a sport. *

Shuffleboard, darts, billiards, poker, chess... these are not sports.[/rant]





* Aside from Sumo
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 12, 2014 11:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Darth Marley wrote:
My only concern is that the women's curling teams are not dressed like the women's volleyball teams. That would be an improvement.


That would make "Shuffleboard on Ice" actually watchable.

[rant] Ok, there is a difference between a sport and a game. While all sports are games, not all games are sports. If a 200 kg slob can play it, it's not a sport. *

Shuffleboard, darts, billiards, poker, chess... these are not sports.[/rant]





* Aside from Sumo


I agree. That shouldn't demean games (chess is a great game, I love it, but it's NOT a sport).

I think the bar should be that you sweat a lot and not from nerves but from exertion.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 13, 2014 3:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

juniper wrote:
I think the bar should be that you sweat a lot and not from nerves but from exertion.
So it is only a sport if you're not fit. :lol:
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