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PostPosted: Wed Feb 05, 2014 4:51 pm    Post subject: Obamacare will reduce US workforce Reply with quote

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-26041966
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 05, 2014 5:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Indeed. It's the obvious outcome.

Worse care that costs more than it used to, more people forced to part time and more unemployment.

Typical democrat idiocy.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 05, 2014 5:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Obamacare enrollees hit snags at doctor's offices

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Many consumers faced hurdles signing up for Covered California health plans. Now they're having trouble finding in-network doctors.

After overcoming website glitches and long waits to get Obamacare, some patients are now running into frustrating new roadblocks at the doctor's office.
A month into the most sweeping changes to healthcare in half a century, people are having trouble finding doctors at all, getting faulty information on which ones are covered and receiving little help from insurers swamped by new business.
Experts have warned for months that the logjam was inevitable. But the extent of the problems is taking by surprise many patients — and even doctors — as frustrations mount.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 05, 2014 5:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Am I supposed to be surprised that our Affirmative Action President could screw up a wet dream?
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 05, 2014 7:37 pm    Post subject: Re: Obamacare will reduce US workforce Reply with quote

notageek wrote:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-26041966
That's good. :P
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 05, 2014 8:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your racist, xenophobic, nationalist hate is like emotional cancer and only hurts yourself in the end. You need Buddhism or opioids . Let go of your hate.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 05, 2014 8:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Old School wrote:
Am I supposed to be surprised that our Affirmative Action President could screw up a wet dream?

Only a bunch of inexperienced morons who have never done anything big in their entire lives would try to "Big Bang" such a transition. One state (or a few) should have been done first. Then, people should have been transitioned over the course of a year, for example, in their birth month.

As to the loss of 2,300,000 man years of productivity, as estimated by the CBO, this is a textbook example of the unintended economic consequences of socialist reforms. And that's just one socialist reform, and it's not the end of its effects:
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The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, commonly known as Obamacare, will result in a slower rate of employment growth over the next decade, according to the findings.

The congressional analysts say there will be fewer workers because healthcare subsidies would "reduce incentives to work" and pose an "implicit tax on working" for those returning to a job with health insurance.

Furthermore, knowing this is a knife in Obama's back, the unionized government workers at the CBO almost certainly minimized this in their analysis. While they were ethically obligated to address the issue, it's probably a gross underestimate by about an order of magnitude.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 05, 2014 8:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Old School wrote:
Am I supposed to be surprised that our Affirmative Action President could screw up a wet dream?

Only a bunch of inexperienced morons who have never done anything big in their entire lives would try to "Big Bang" such a transition. One state (or a few) should have been done first. Then, people should have been transitioned over the course of a year, for example, in their birth month.

As to the loss of 2,300,000 man years of productivity, as estimated by the CBO, this is a textbook example of the unintended economic consequences of socialist reforms.


trying it out in a few states would have been an obvious toe in the water approach.

it's all screwed. bandaids on a broken system. employer provided heathcare should end. but the democrats and unions won't like that.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 05, 2014 8:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

More.

See edit above (sorry), and:
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Employees may also face lower wages due to tax levees and penalties against their employers, the report found.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 05, 2014 9:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Your racist, xenophobic, nationalist hate is like emotional cancer and only hurts yourself in the end. You need Buddhism or opioids . Let go of your hate.
Nobody hates your country. :P I am actually enjoying your show. Thank you so much!
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 05, 2014 9:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When we opened my store we wanted to offer health care. It would have made us the leading employer in the industry.

It would have been affordable with 50 employees so we sought to expand.

Then there was Obama.

Will we ever grow to the point that we have to offer healthcare now? No.

Why? Because we couldn't afford any employees at all under the current regulations.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 06, 2014 12:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Will we ever grow to the point that we have to offer healthcare now? No.

Why? Because we couldn't afford any employees at all under the current regulations.
I'm assuming you mean more employees?

I've wondered about setting up multiple companies and then contracting amongst them for services. So, for example, you have Porodzila's HR Co, Porodzila's Facilities Co, Porodzila's Tech Services Co, etc. You'd have the option of growing each one to fewer than fifty employees while providing services for other small businesses. That sort of thing.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 06, 2014 3:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

pjp wrote:
porodzila wrote:
Will we ever grow to the point that we have to offer healthcare now? No.

Why? Because we couldn't afford any employees at all under the current regulations.
I'm assuming you mean more employees?

Maybe he decided to go with robots.

Or maybe he's shipping the laundry to Canada, where Inuit dwarves are used to dry-clean it with toxic chemicals and asbestos dust, and then they ship it back by tortured, half-dead sled dogs. Then they go beat some baby seals to death and have some skunky Molsons they found on the deck when the snow melted.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 06, 2014 12:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

here's what obamacare is doing to my company... our deductible will double, we're about to lose out-of-network coverage entirely, all copays/coinsurance just went up, and our premiums double. we had a "platinum" plan that's no longer offered. now we'll have a "gold" plan with worse coverage, that's far worse and costs far more money.

this is an increase in the total cost to employ a human. this means 2 things: (1) raises and bonuses will be smaller. that money won't magically come out of the profit margin. (2) we'll hire less, freelance/contract/outsource more, and automate a LOT more. we have a few employees who will probably leave within the next year, and none of their positions will be refilled.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 06, 2014 1:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

big dave wrote:
here's what obamacare is doing to my company... our deductible will double, we're about to lose out-of-network coverage entirely, all copays/coinsurance just went up, and our premiums double. we had a "platinum" plan that's no longer offered. now we'll have a "gold" plan with worse coverage, that's far worse and costs far more money.

this is an increase in the total cost to employ a human. this means 2 things: (1) raises and bonuses will be smaller. that money won't magically come out of the profit margin. (2) we'll hire less, freelance/contract/outsource more, and automate a LOT more. we have a few employees who will probably leave within the next year, and none of their positions will be refilled.


That's shitty. Unless you are in the insurance business (which I take you are not), it sucks that you have to deal with insurance at all.

single payer looking good about now.

you guys should really sort this out. The deficit too. Get that under control. I may have to move there again one day.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 06, 2014 6:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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