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PostPosted: Tue Feb 04, 2014 11:36 am    Post subject: Granny gives 3 worshippers a ride to heaven, in an SUV Reply with quote

http://www.baynews9.com/content/news/baynews9/news/article.html/content/news/articles/bn9/2014/2/2/at_least_1_dead_afte.html
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somehow the pedal got stuck

Fortunately they just left the temple of SUV adoration. In the USA, where else.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 04, 2014 11:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My only thought is: why is this news?

I mean, sure, sad for the lot of them and shit, but c'mon, we don't friggen put every stupid accident on the friggen news these days, now do we?
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 04, 2014 5:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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My only thought is: why is this news?

I mean, sure, sad for the lot of them and shit, but c'mon, we don't friggen put every stupid accident on the friggen news these days, now do we?


actually, we do.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 04, 2014 5:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The title of this thread is deeply disturbing.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 04, 2014 6:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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mdeininger wrote:
My only thought is: why is this news?

I mean, sure, sad for the lot of them and shit, but c'mon, we don't friggen put every stupid accident on the friggen news these days, now do we?


actually, we do.
Still wish it weren't so :S.

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The title of this thread is deeply disturbing.
indeed, the hatred it expresses is quite saddening. I'm sure that were she to have driven a Smart she'd have killed just as many people.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 05, 2014 12:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mdeininger wrote:
My only thought is: why is this news?
It isn't. But The Pony has issues with the US and SUVs.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 05, 2014 3:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What a list of names. What church parking lot were they in, the Dutch Orthodox Church or something? :lol:

It's a common problem for people with cognitive issues to stomp on the wrong pedal when they panic. It happens a lot to old people, but not them exclusively. It's also probably a fundamental flaw in the design of the controls for automobiles.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 05, 2014 5:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

if you are above 65 there should be mandatory yearly check ups and driving tests. And if you are a moving obstacle or you are unable to look behind, you hit that car in the carpark and drove away or you can't see that family of three in front of your pig transporter, you are without a licence. You are caught without a licence? Shot into the back of your head. No trial, no delay. Right there. On the spot.

Streets would be much safer. Everywhere.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 05, 2014 6:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

energyman76b for Dear Leader!
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 05, 2014 6:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Add a mandatory truck driver license for operating a truck such as an SUV. That is what they are.
At some point in her life she made the decision better them than me. That is why she bought this heavy truck. Now she managed to kill others. Nice community of a Dutch Orthodox Church.
In the end, it is a simple matter of total lack of responsibility which lead to this fatal incident.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 05, 2014 6:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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energyman76b for Dear Leader!
Do I get the title approved stallion?
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 05, 2014 9:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Add a mandatory truck driver license for operating a truck such as an SUV. That is what they are.
At some point in her life she made the decision better them than me. That is why she bought this heavy truck. Now she managed to kill others. Nice community of a Dutch Orthodox Church.
In the end, it is a simple matter of total lack of responsibility which lead to this fatal incident.
They were at an Orthodox church meeting. They had it coming. Again. :lol::twisted:

Honestly though, you're being irrational about the SUV part. It would've been the exact same outcome no matter what kind of car she would've been in.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 05, 2014 9:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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wildhorse wrote:
Add a mandatory truck driver license for operating a truck such as an SUV. That is what they are.
At some point in her life she made the decision better them than me. That is why she bought this heavy truck. Now she managed to kill others. Nice community of a Dutch Orthodox Church.
In the end, it is a simple matter of total lack of responsibility which lead to this fatal incident.
They were at an Orthodox church meeting. They had it coming. Again. :lol::twisted:

Honestly though, you're being irrational about the SUV part. It would've been the exact same outcome no matter what kind of car she would've been in.


not necessarily. It is very hard to kill someone sitting in a 1990s Seat Marbella or Fiat Panda.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 05, 2014 9:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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not necessarily. It is very hard to kill someone sitting in a 1990s Seat Marbella or Fiat Panda.
Yeh, because the engine probably wouldn't even start. They were old enough to literally get scared to death by the noise it'd make starting up, though. Not to mention their age made them frail, lethargic targets. You'd probably be able to kill them riding a bicycle.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 05, 2014 9:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

energyman76b wrote:
mdeininger wrote:
wildhorse wrote:
Add a mandatory truck driver license for operating a truck such as an SUV. That is what they are.
At some point in her life she made the decision better them than me. That is why she bought this heavy truck. Now she managed to kill others. Nice community of a Dutch Orthodox Church.
In the end, it is a simple matter of total lack of responsibility which lead to this fatal incident.
They were at an Orthodox church meeting. They had it coming. Again. :lol::twisted:

Honestly though, you're being irrational about the SUV part. It would've been the exact same outcome no matter what kind of car she would've been in.


not necessarily. It is very hard to kill someone sitting in a 1990s Seat Marbella or Fiat Panda.

He said car, not gokart.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 05, 2014 9:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Take the licenses of the elderly. Its the only way. I'm serious. I think courts should force people to take care of or pay for their elderly relatives transportation. Serious. I think this is the conservative way.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 05, 2014 10:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mdeininger wrote:
Honestly though, you're being irrational about the SUV part. It would've been the exact same outcome no matter what kind of car she would've been in.
The mass of an SUV is so much higher than for instance the mass of the Smart you mentioned before, it makes all the difference. It is also next to impossible to fit three people below a Smart.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 05, 2014 10:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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mdeininger wrote:
Honestly though, you're being irrational about the SUV part. It would've been the exact same outcome no matter what kind of car she would've been in.
The mass of an SUV is so much higher than for instance the mass of the Smart you mentioned before, it makes all the difference. It is also next to impossible to fit three people below a Smart.
Mass is only a linear factor in both force and impact. In this particular case the most important part of the equation is the impact surface itself - a Smart has a very rectangular design, so it has excellent impact force distribution properties; even most SUVs have more area where an impact body could roll away from the centre of mass and thus evade most of the force.

A 600 kg vehicle at 30 kph exerts an approximate 5 kN of force at impact on the body of a human. While a 2.5 Mg vehicle *would* exert an approximate 20 kN of force, the 5 kN are absolutely sufficient to kill an average person hit by it on impact - so the added weight is really just a minor bit of icing and is irrelevant to the lethality of the impact. If you also consider that SUVs often have larger tyres and more space between the underside of the car and the street as well as slightly rounder form factors, they may actually be even less lethal in an impact situation because they will quickly roll over a typical human body, as opposed to getting stuck halfway through.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 05, 2014 10:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"kph" :roll: :roll: :roll:

When an SUV overruns a person, the vehicle simply crushes that person to death, no matter how fast the vehicle moves.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 05, 2014 10:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wildhorse wrote:
"kph" :roll: :roll: :roll:
What? Even American physicists use SI units - especially when calculating force in kilo-Newton as opposed to square-pounds-of-force.

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When an SUV overruns a person, the vehicle simply crushes that person to death, no matter how fast the vehicle moves.
Actually there are quite a number of cases where people have survived such an incident. Even in the OP the two fellows that were overrun were not crushed instantly. Had she moved faster they may even have been lucky. The impact is much more dangerous than the rolling-over-a-body part, simply because the force exerted is greater. It's a simple calculation, too:

weight / number of contact points * gravity = 2.5 Mg / 4 * g = 6.13 kN (which is obviously less than the force of impact of that same car, which would have been ~20 kN)
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 05, 2014 11:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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"kph" :roll: :roll: :roll:
What? Even American physicists use SI units - especially when calculating force in kilo-Newton as opposed to square-pounds-of-force.
Yes, but then they use "km/h".

The mass of a Smart is 800 kg. A lot, but nothing compared to the mass of the killer tank that is being shown on the pictures of the report. Care to do an experiment? I overrun you with an SUV, very slowly :) and then you come with a Smart. The OTW high priest of bone kracking is going to be the referee.
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The SUV is a Chevrolet Trailblazer which has a curb weight of 4,356 to 4,663 lbs depending on options. For comparison a 2013 BMW 740i Sedan weights in at 4,344 pounds.

So much for the theory that the people died only because they were hit by a SUV.
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You know what I call a person who has the presumption to tell others what they should buy and operate?

An authoritarian.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 06, 2014 12:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

wildhorse wrote:
"kph" :roll: :roll: :roll:

When an SUV overruns a person, the vehicle simply crushes that person to death, no matter how fast the vehicle moves.
Cars just bounce off people. Much more safe!
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 06, 2014 3:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

wildhorse wrote:
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Honestly though, you're being irrational about the SUV part. It would've been the exact same outcome no matter what kind of car she would've been in.
The mass of an SUV is so much higher than for instance the mass of the Smart you mentioned before, it makes all the difference. It is also next to impossible to fit three people below a Smart.

Your arguing whether a 300 kilo rock will break a window better than 100 kilo rock. Any car moving more than, say, walking speed carries more than enough kinetic energy to crush a pedestrian to pulp. Beyond that, what makes it more or less dangerous is primarily speed, not because of its salience in kinetic energy but because it's a primary determinant of reaction time, both for the driver and the pedestrian.

What really happened here is probably that she was distracted by the three other chattering and advice-giving little old ladies in the car with her. Women with their mouths open should be even more illegal in cars than texting on a cell phone.
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