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PostPosted: Tue Feb 04, 2014 4:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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In 2012 Vermont had 8 murders. In 2012 London had 89 murders. Big difference. So by even going by percentage of population, they are about the same. And I don't know how many, if any, of the Vermont cases involved a firearm. So what is your problem with white people and guns?

btw, sorry to muddy the waters with such trivial things as facts. :wink:


yes, vermont has as many people as my borough; I of course mean per population. look at the relative populations; vermont's rate is slightly higher (exactly as I claimed).

My point is that even if you take the best case scenario in the US (no city to speak of, white ass rural state wealthy state), you STILL get more murders than big bad ass London (black people, more black peole, muslims, chavs, the whole nine yards...). So, while murder is worse in the inner cities, it isn't just an inner city problem.

Why do i think it's guns in Vermont? Statistically it's guns everywhere in your country. that's the weapon of choice. people are as usual voting with their trigger fingers when homiciding.

Edit: apparently, the whitey white white state of new hampshire has the same murder rate as london (and NH has the lowest murder rate in the union).

Homiciding? :lol: :lol: :lol:
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 04, 2014 4:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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In 2012 Vermont had 8 murders. In 2012 London had 89 murders. Big difference. So by even going by percentage of population, they are about the same. And I don't know how many, if any, of the Vermont cases involved a firearm. So what is your problem with white people and guns?

btw, sorry to muddy the waters with such trivial things as facts. :wink:


yes, vermont has as many people as my borough; I of course mean per population. look at the relative populations; vermont's rate is slightly higher (exactly as I claimed).

My point is that even if you take the best case scenario in the US (no city to speak of, white ass rural state wealthy state), you STILL get more murders than big bad ass London (black people, more black peole, muslims, chavs, the whole nine yards...). So, while murder is worse in the inner cities, it isn't just an inner city problem.

Why do i think it's guns in Vermont? Statistically it's guns everywhere in your country. that's the weapon of choice. people are as usual voting with their trigger fingers when homiciding.

Edit: apparently, the whitey white white state of new hampshire has the same murder rate as london (and NH has the lowest murder rate in the union).

Homiciding? :lol: :lol: :lol:


i too liked it.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 04, 2014 9:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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By the way, you'd have to be full-fledged communist to perceive a Germany-backed group as "fascist" and "nationalist".
Actually Krautland is currently controlled by a CDU/CSU/SPD coalition, which means on a government level the Christardnazis are pretending to agree with the Traitor Party (which in turn pretends to be full of lefties but is openly pushing for even more oppressive ideas than the Christfags ever dreamt of). So, fascist/nationalist is quite the solid description for the suckers right now.

In case you haven't noticed, fascism doesn't have a monopoly on oppression, most modern examples of which have actually come from Leftist governments.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 04, 2014 11:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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i too liked it.

You sounding like you been to the hood. :wink:
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By the way, you'd have to be full-fledged communist to perceive a Germany-backed group as "fascist" and "nationalist".
Actually Krautland is currently controlled by a CDU/CSU/SPD coalition, which means on a government level the Christardnazis are pretending to agree with the Traitor Party (which in turn pretends to be full of lefties but is openly pushing for even more oppressive ideas than the Christfags ever dreamt of). So, fascist/nationalist is quite the solid description for the suckers right now.

In case you haven't noticed, fascism doesn't have a monopoly on oppression, most modern examples of which have actually come from Leftist governments.
Oh, most certainly, but the definition of "fascism" that I remember primarily involves pushing for a totalitarian regime, and that's pretty much exactly what those three parties are doing.

I won't deny the lefties tend to be oppressive these days, but those three parties in particular are clearly fascist.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 05, 2014 9:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Oppressive these days"? They murdered a billion people last century (for the good of the many, of course).

And that's just the killing. The damage has been widespread (juniper's mind, for example).


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 05, 2014 9:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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"Oppressive these days"? They murdered a billion people last century (for the good of the many, of course).
Yeh, but so did the righties the couple centuries before. Let's face it: all politards are murderers, regardless of where on the spectrum they fancy themselves.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 05, 2014 9:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Edit above sorry.
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Edit above sorry.
Happens to me all the time :D.

But yeah, I do quite agree, except that really isn't a leftist quality in and of itself - they're all like that. The only "good" government is one that does the least.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 05, 2014 10:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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And that's just the killing. The damage has been widespread (juniper's mind, for example).


I consider being able to distinguish between communists, socialists and other points on the entire leftist spectrum an elementary, though important, skill.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 05, 2014 6:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm happy for you that you are comfortable with your padded room reality. Marxism is Marxism, and once the dick is in the ass an inch, it has a tendency end up deeper.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 05, 2014 7:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'm happy for you that you are comfortable with your padded room reality. Marxism is Marxism, and once the dick is in the ass an inch, it has a tendency end up deeper.


and exploitation to make the 1% richer and the rest poorer is just that.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 05, 2014 8:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'm happy for you that you are comfortable with your padded room reality. Marxism is Marxism, and once the dick is in the ass an inch, it has a tendency end up deeper.


and exploitation to make the 1% richer and the rest poorer is just that.

That is the other side of the coin, but one must understand that both are to be avoided, and becoming obsessed with the one leads to the other (for example, the European tendency to refer to even leftist authoritarianism as "fascism" is based on the deliberate illusion that leftist authoritarianism and abuse of the proletariat does not exist. A simple comparison of day-to-day life in East and West Germany is a good thought experiment, or North and South Korea, or Hong Kong and Beijing, or Taiwan and Viet Nam.
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what is the difference between a 17th century stone mason and a 21th century one?

the one in the 17th century had more days off.

Just an example.

And the Stasi only collected a minuscule amount of data - compared to the NSA.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 05, 2014 9:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'm happy for you that you are comfortable with your padded room reality. Marxism is Marxism, and once the dick is in the ass an inch, it has a tendency end up deeper.


marx was an economist and philosopher. He was not a politician or a leader. Marxism may be Marxism, but it is not bolshevism, Stalinism, or Maoism.

Furthermore, I am not marxist.
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And the Stasi only collected a minuscule amount of data - compared to the NSA.
Yeh right, like the BND was any better. They just haven't been caught with their hands in the cookie jar yet. Their friends from the CID are regularly caught "requesting" cell phone traffic information of millions of phones in Berlin though. Their BND colleagues are probably just a bit better at hiding their tracks - THEY don't have to ask a judge for a warrant, after all.
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OK, let's take the meeting Lord of the Rings vs. Mr. Mission Accomplished. Which dog works for the BND and which one for the NSA?
dog 1
dog 2
BTW I presume that the Nazi agent comes in a black coat with a dude in a blue shirt.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 06, 2014 3:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'm happy for you that you are comfortable with your padded room reality. Marxism is Marxism, and once the dick is in the ass an inch, it has a tendency end up deeper.


marx was an economist and philosopher. He was not a politician or a leader. Marxism may be Marxism, but it is not bolshevism, Stalinism, or Maoism.

Furthermore, I am not marxist.

Quibbling is quibbling. Bolshevism, Stalinism and Maoism are all Marxist to a great degree. The essence of the philosophy is what gave rise to these variations on the theme; they are all rooted in the moral concepts that the ends justify the means, that the truth (and minds) are what you make them, that the individual is subordinate to the collective, and that violent revolution is justified and necessary. Most of the post-Marx philosophies advocate 'continuous revolution' as a justification for ongoing violence against all who would resist the will of the state. It's just a matter of degrees.

Even watered-down socialism such as we see in West is Marxist, if in watered-down ways. Nowhere is the better comparison and contrast to illustrate this than the incredible authoritarian shift that has taken place under Obama (propaganda, secrecy, information control, turning the security apparatus on internal political enemies, assassinations, constant double-speak, increasing the state's monopoly on the use of force, expansion of the state's ability to use force against the people, Big Brother....).
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 06, 2014 3:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BoneKracker wrote:
Quibbling is quibbling. Bolshevism, Stalinism and Maoism are all Marxist to a great degree.


++

Marx is the father of all modern leftist movements.

Remember, the day I get a time machine I will whack two people : Muhammad & Marx.
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Don't forget Charles Fourier, Pierre-Joseph Proudhon, Robert Own, Henri Saint-Simon, Louis Blanc, and Frederick Engels.

Get all those fuckers, and you might put a stop to it. :lol:
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Don't forget Charles Fourier, Pierre-Joseph Proudhon, Robert Own, Henri Saint-Simon, Louis Blanc, and Frederick Engels.

Get all those fuckers, and you might put a stop to it. :lol:


:lol: :lol: :lol:
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BoneKracker wrote:
Don't forget Charles Fourier, Pierre-Joseph Proudhon, Robert Own, Henri Saint-Simon, Louis Blanc, and Frederick Engels.

Get all those fuckers, and you might put a stop to it. :lol:


:lol: :lol: :lol:


And do not forget Jesus that drove the merchants from the temple. :lol:
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BoneKracker wrote:
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I'm happy for you that you are comfortable with your padded room reality. Marxism is Marxism, and once the dick is in the ass an inch, it has a tendency end up deeper.


marx was an economist and philosopher. He was not a politician or a leader. Marxism may be Marxism, but it is not bolshevism, Stalinism, or Maoism.

Furthermore, I am not marxist.

Quibbling is quibbling. Bolshevism, Stalinism and Maoism are all Marxist to a great degree. The essence of the philosophy is what gave rise to these variations on the theme; they are all rooted in the moral concepts that the ends justify the means, that the truth (and minds) are what you make them, that the individual is subordinate to the collective, and that violent revolution is justified and necessary. Most of the post-Marx philosophies advocate 'continuous revolution' as a justification for ongoing violence against all who would resist the will of the state. It's just a matter of degrees.

Even watered-down socialism such as we see in West is Marxist, if in watered-down ways. Nowhere is the better comparison and contrast to illustrate this than the incredible authoritarian shift that has taken place under Obama (propaganda, secrecy, information control, turning the security apparatus on internal political enemies, assassinations, constant double-speak, increasing the state's monopoly on the use of force, expansion of the state's ability to use force against the people, Big Brother....).


Go read Marx.

Marx is obviously the father of socialism and communism. doesn't mean all the versions are the same, and certainly doesn't mean I am one of them. In my advanced age I've pretty much become a capitalist. It makes me sick inside.
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And the Stasi only collected a minuscule amount of data - compared to the NSA.


obviously, that is 100% down to ability.

a great movie is "lives of others" (i don't speak german so I forget the german title).
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