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PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2013 7:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Indian government was Communistically inclined. The government declared itself a socialist republic. That wasn't true for its people. Or what you may refer to as Indians.

Many Indians during that period profited from exploiting the market, something that would have been free otherwise and legal in places like America. So, you can't get any two Indians to do the same thing at the same time.

And as usual you're still averaging out. I'm sure later in the day you'll write something brilliant but you're still far from it right now.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2013 7:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The point was, Israel as a nation is "collectivist" or "homogeneous."


They share a culture. A Superior culture. A culture which celebrates excellence, not stupidity. Do not confuse economic collectivism with that ;)
Whatever. You can't make exception for one and not make for another.

You can be collectivist and prosper and you can be individualist and fail.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2013 7:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The point was, Israel as a nation is "collectivist" or "homogeneous."


They share a culture. A Superior culture. A culture which celebrates excellence, not stupidity. Do not confuse economic collectivism with that ;)
Whatever. You can't make exception for one and not make for another.

You can be collectivist and prosper and you can be individualist and fail.


And the reverse is impossible?
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2013 7:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2013 10:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I like the Japanese. However, you must admit, they are one of the most collectivist cultures on Earth, socially (not economically).


They have tatemae. Their tatemae is powerful, I can pick our a group of Japanese from a crowd of American born Japanese... instantly.


giving it a name doesn't make it not collectivist. The japanese have all sorts of ugly socialist tendencies like universal health care and strong labour laws. makes my skin crawl even saying those words.

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They have the most superior culture on the planet....

other than being racist.


As opposed to the USA with our Department of Justice ignoring any attacks against white people? 8)


it's really hard to know how the japanese would treat ethnic minorities given they have so few of them. Indeed, their door to immigration and outsiders is so well closed that the japanese are the only wealthy nation with a declining population and has been for many years. it will be incredibly interesting watching Japan in the next few years. They will soon have such a top heavy aging population with massive deflation that they will have to do something drastic, like open the flood gates to immigration. May be too little too late by that point. Sometimes thinking you have the most superior culture is what kills your culture off.

The Japanese have a shit load of trees, so they are not in fact devoid of resources. the Japanese, with their collectivist preservation mentality, have had aggressive forestry protection for the last 500 years. That puts it at having one of the highest percentage of land covered by forests. it is 50% bigger UK by land area and 2x bigger than the UK by population, but has 10x as much forested land. It has more forested land than much larger France, and more than double that of Germany. Per person, it has more forested land than germany (giving you two measures by which the Japanese have more forest than Germany).
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2013 1:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2013 5:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The japanese have all sorts of ugly socialist tendencies like universal health care and strong labour laws. makes my skin crawl even saying those words.
:D :lol:

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The Japanese have a shit load of trees, so they are not in fact devoid of resources. the Japanese, with their collectivist preservation mentality, have had aggressive forestry protection for the last 500 years. That puts it at having one of the highest percentage of land covered by forests. it is 50% bigger UK by land area and 2x bigger than the UK by population, but has 10x as much forested land. It has more forested land than much larger France, and more than double that of Germany. Per person, it has more forested land than germany (giving you two measures by which the Japanese have more forest than Germany).
Scotland serves as a strong example of not raping forests. I doubt they're going to become prosperous by responsibly exporting lumber.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2013 5:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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it's really hard to know how the japanese would treat ethnic minorities given they have so few of them.

While their culture has changed over the past 70 years, their treatment of other East- and South-Asians and Pacific Islanders during World War II is not a positive indicator, to put it mildly.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2013 7:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The japanese have all sorts of ugly socialist tendencies like universal health care and strong labour laws. makes my skin crawl even saying those words.
:D :lol:

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The Japanese have a shit load of trees, so they are not in fact devoid of resources. the Japanese, with their collectivist preservation mentality, have had aggressive forestry protection for the last 500 years. That puts it at having one of the highest percentage of land covered by forests. it is 50% bigger UK by land area and 2x bigger than the UK by population, but has 10x as much forested land. It has more forested land than much larger France, and more than double that of Germany. Per person, it has more forested land than germany (giving you two measures by which the Japanese have more forest than Germany).
Scotland serves as a strong example of not raping forests. I doubt they're going to become prosperous by responsibly exporting lumber.


I didn't say they would. but they are not devoid of resources.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 28, 2013 2:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I didn't say they would. but they are not devoid of resources.


Trees. Really?

Look at Canada. That's got natural resources.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 28, 2013 9:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I didn't say they would. but they are not devoid of resources.


Trees. Really?

Look at Canada. That's got natural resources.


I never said Canada had less. Canada has a ton, from metals to oil to trees.

About the OP. I don't like Che. I find it odd that people where his shirts.

And people will come back and say america is bad. Sure. But I don't remember a recent president saying anything like Che. Communists like him have a ton of blood on their hands.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 28, 2013 2:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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About the OP. I don't like Che. I find it odd that people where his shirts.
Indoctrination. Some go on to further educate themselves, others not so much.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 28, 2013 2:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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About the OP. I don't like Che. I find it odd that people where his shirts.
Indoctrination. Some go on to further educate themselves, others not so much.


I of course meant "wear".

I think it's a fad. He was cool. To some, and I don't know why, he represents freedom, community kumbaya and that kind of shit. Too bad about all the bloodshed.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 28, 2013 5:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Israel. Compulsory conscription.


Seen their neighbors? Can't really blame them.


The Palestinian people is for nothing in the Nazi holocaust of the Jews. The Palestinian people never invited the Zionists to steal their land, destroy their homes, their plantations, to use weapons of mass destructions against a civilian population that doesn't even have an army to protect them. Some can think that, in such conditions, the IDF is the more coward band of amoral morons of the whole world, but that not true because what did Europa to the rest of the world during the colonization was exactly the same: they was using superior weapons against innocent peoples that never invited them. It is how the USA was founded, by a massacre of millions of innocent peoples which was living into a mostly pacific and human society, 2 words many white peoples just doesn't understand the meaning.

Palestinians never invited the Zionists to steal their land. And they just want to return at home. Israel just want to continue its genocide of the Palestinian people and to steal the whole of Palestine. So, it can be no peace between them as long Israel keep going with its racialist politics of extermination of the Palestinian people. The only peaceful solution on the log term is one country for both peoples.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 28, 2013 6:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It is how the USA was founded, by a massacre of millions of innocent peoples which was living into a mostly pacific and human society

Are you calling my ancestors pacific and humane?

They were people that fought and killed people from other tribes for basic living resources. Like food. Your perception of native American peoples is downright laughable. Is that how Europeans as a whole see early North America, or just leftwing radicals prejudiced by their loony ideologies? :wink:

And it was Europeans in the name of your god that killed 90% of the indigenous North American peoples.
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It is how the USA was founded, by a massacre of millions of innocent peoples which was living into a mostly pacific and human society

Are you calling my ancestors pacific and humane?

They were people that fought and killed people from other tribes for basic living resources. Like food. Your perception of native American peoples is downright laughable. Is that how Europeans as a whole see early North America, or just leftwing radicals prejudiced by their loony ideologies? :wink:


I said mostly. It is not the native American peoples that killed millions of themselves, but the European peoples that invaded their land that did it. Like they did it in many other places.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 28, 2013 7:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dominique_71 wrote:
Muso wrote:
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Israel. Compulsory conscription.


Seen their neighbors? Can't really blame them.


The Palestinian people is for nothing in the Nazi holocaust of the Jews. The Palestinian people never invited the Zionists to steal their land, destroy their homes, their plantations, to use weapons of mass destructions against a civilian population that doesn't even have an army to protect them. Some can think that, in such conditions, the IDF is the more coward band of amoral morons of the whole world, but that not true because what did Europa to the rest of the world during the colonization was exactly the same: they was using superior weapons against innocent peoples that never invited them. It is how the USA was founded, by a massacre of millions of innocent peoples which was living into a mostly pacific and human society, 2 words many white peoples just doesn't understand the meaning.

Palestinians never invited the Zionists to steal their land. And they just want to return at home. Israel just want to continue its genocide of the Palestinian people and to steal the whole of Palestine. So, it can be no peace between them as long Israel keep going with its racialist politics of extermination of the Palestinian people. The only peaceful solution on the log term is one country for both peoples.


Pile of slogans copied from other websites. Free thinker my ass :lol:
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Israel. Compulsory conscription.

Nothing to do with collectivism. Really. Israel consists of immigrants from several dozens counties with completely different backgrounds, so 3 years of military service don't change that much.
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Pile of slogans copied from other websites. Free thinker my ass :lol:


:lol: :lol: :lol:

That's all he's ever done in here. He's a propaganda loudspeaker.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 28, 2013 8:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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About the OP. I don't like Che. I find it odd that people where his shirts.
Indoctrination. Some go on to further educate themselves, others not so much.


I of course meant "wear".

I think it's a fad. He was cool. To some, and I don't know why, he represents freedom, community kumbaya and that kind of shit. Too bad about all the bloodshed.
I don't think you thought I was, but just in case, I wasn't commenting on the "typo" of where/wear. Being a fad probably plays a part, but I also think it is selective presentation of events and/or choosing to ignore the "bad" parts.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 28, 2013 8:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Pile of slogans copied from other websites. Free thinker my ass :lol:


:lol: :lol: :lol:

That's all he's ever done in here. He's a propaganda loudspeaker.


War propaganda is to say Israel is in its right to do what the Nazis was doing to the Jews and to the communists, which was often the same peoples at that time, and at a lot of other innocent peoples as well, to the Palestinian people. The only difference between the Nazis and the Zionists is the Nazis was using gas chambers on civilians when the Zionists are using phosphor and DU bombs on civilians.
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Pile of slogans copied from other websites. Free thinker my ass :lol:


:lol: :lol: :lol:

That's all he's ever done in here. He's a propaganda loudspeaker.


War propaganda is to say Israel is in its right to do what the Nazis was doing to the Jews and to the communists, which was often the same peoples at that time, and at a lot of other innocent peoples as well, to the Palestinian people. The only difference between the Nazis and the Zionists is the Nazis was using gas chambers on civilians when the Zionists are using phosphor and DU bombs on civilians.


:lol:

In other words, you are completely brainwashed.
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Muso wrote:
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Pile of slogans copied from other websites. Free thinker my ass :lol:


:lol: :lol: :lol:

That's all he's ever done in here. He's a propaganda loudspeaker.


War propaganda is to say Israel is in its right to do what the Nazis was doing to the Jews and to the communists, which was often the same peoples at that time, and at a lot of other innocent peoples as well, to the Palestinian people. The only difference between the Nazis and the Zionists is the Nazis was using gas chambers on civilians when the Zionists are using phosphor and DU bombs on civilians.


:lol:

In other words, you are completely brainwashed.


I can only note that peoples like you only have insults to oppose to facts on the ground. :lol:
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I can only note that peoples like you only have insults to oppose to facts on the ground.


:lol: :lol: :lol:

Yes, you have "facts"

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The only difference between the Nazis and the Zionists is the Nazis was using gas chambers on civilians when the Zionists are using phosphor and DU bombs on civilians.


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I find it amusing that some Che fanboy from a former Nazi collaborator state that isn't exactly relevant in today's world, comes here and presents some "facts on the ground" he borrowed from pro-paleostinian sites.
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