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PostPosted: Tue Oct 29, 2013 2:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Fine, I'll reword slightly: Doesn't the fact that the government sometimes can't run a website make you question whether they should be running the health care system?

I really don't see how the government sometimes managing to run websites without falling on their face mitigates the argument even in the slightest.

Given that the website was contracted out, it would speak more to a failure in capitalism. In fact, just about every non-routine IT problem a western government has is contracted out, hence the routine cost and deadline overruns. And c'mon, the contract had 3 whole years to get it done. That's insane.


But the is a crisis of management. you can just pass the buck and say they fucked so oh well. They should get it done and do it well. if a particular company can't do it, you tell them to fuck off and get someone else. I know, easier said than done.

There was the massive security issue at the London olympics. Basically the government contracted out security to a company and the company just fucked it up majorly. That seemed to be what you described. The govt took a hardline on the company saying they weren't going to honor their contract.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 29, 2013 5:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't worry, the President didn't know about any of this, but now that he does, things will be okay.

Really.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 30, 2013 12:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sebellius says it's the fault of some of the sub-contractors. She is just as outraged as anybody.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 30, 2013 1:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

aidanjt wrote:
richk449 wrote:
Fine, I'll reword slightly: Doesn't the fact that the government sometimes can't run a website make you question whether they should be running the health care system?

I really don't see how the government sometimes managing to run websites without falling on their face mitigates the argument even in the slightest.

Given that the website was contracted out, it would speak more to a failure in capitalism. In fact, just about every non-routine IT problem a western government has is contracted out, hence the routine cost and deadline overruns. And c'mon, the contract had 3 whole years to get it done. That's insane.

how is a no-bid contract that generates 500 million lines of shitty copypasta code at 600 billion dollars capitalism? the free market regularly produces wildly successful companies with fractionally smaller codebases on far less money because they're actually accountable to the market. this is not accountability. this is a textbook model of liberal waste. it's a fucking embarrassment that has nothing to do with capitalism.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 30, 2013 6:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Government bureaucracy and incompetence. It happens all the time, literally. Tax money is pissed away by the billions by people who round off their spreadsheets to the nearest million. The amount of waste I alone have seen first-hand would boggle the mind of anyone in the private sector.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 30, 2013 7:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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how is a no-bid contract that generates 500 million lines of shitty copypasta code at 600 billion dollars capitalism? the free market regularly produces wildly successful companies with fractionally smaller codebases on far less money because they're actually accountable to the market. this is not accountability. this is a textbook model of liberal waste. it's a fucking embarrassment that has nothing to do with capitalism.


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Gotta love how statist apologists always blame capitalism for the downfalls of crony corporatism brought about by government intervention into the free market... which negates capitalism.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 30, 2013 11:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This isn't even a failure of crony capitalism; it's a fundamental mis-management of the program by the Obama Administration.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 30, 2013 1:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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This isn't even a failure of crony capitalism; it's a fundamental mis-management of the program by the Obama Administration.


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 30, 2013 3:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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This isn't even a failure of crony capitalism; it's a fundamental mis-management of the program by the Obama Administration.
He didn't know about it, so not his fault.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 30, 2013 8:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Government bureaucracy and incompetence. It happens all the time, literally. Tax money is pissed away by the billions by people who round off their spreadsheets to the nearest million. The amount of waste I alone have seen first-hand would boggle the mind of anyone in the private sector.

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