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PostPosted: Sun Sep 01, 2013 2:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is a layman's description of this "create a new need" fallacy. Even the Swedes understand it:
http://www.stics.se/create.html

Here is a somewhat child-like educational treatment of marketing as a whole, with links to further information:
http://education-portal.com/academy/lesson/what-is-the-buying-process-in-marketing-stages-lesson-quiz.html

While such a subject may seem trivial or a waste of time to many technically-oriented people, it's essential if you ever want to work at the strategic level (somebody making important decisions), create your own product, or run your own business. Marketing is the primary reason most businesses and products succeed or fail. You can be the best engineering firm of the planet, but without someone who understands marketing involved in the important decision making (what to make, how expensive to make it, what features it should have, identifying the actual competitors to satisfying the same real needs, how to position it relative to the competition, to whom to sell it and where, how to get it there, how to promote it, etc., how to manage it over the course of its lifecycle), you're going to be a poor engineering firm.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 01, 2013 4:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hadn't thought about it before, but seems a reasonable premise, along the same lines that no new stories are being created.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 01, 2013 6:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

pjp wrote:
I hadn't thought about it before, but seems a reasonable premise, along the same lines that no new stories are being created.

That's just idle rumination. This has consequences. Fail to understand what need is actually being satisfied, and you'll never identify your competition or understand how to succeed.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 01, 2013 7:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Drugs? :roll:
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 01, 2013 8:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BoneKracker wrote:
pjp wrote:
I hadn't thought about it before, but seems a reasonable premise, along the same lines that no new stories are being created.

That's just idle rumination. This has consequences. Fail to understand what need is actually being satisfied, and you'll never identify your competition or understand how to succeed.
Minor consequences. IMO no new stories being told is far more interesting in the big picture of humanity.

Business is about doing something better than the next guy. It needn't be overcomplicated.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 01, 2013 9:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BoneKracker wrote:

Government research didn't establish international trade and knowledge sharing, create the industrial revolution, or invent most of the things that have increased our general standard of living over time. Contrary to popular beliefs, they also haven't been been responsible for the big disease cures (polio, for example, was cured by charitable foundations).


polio is still rampant in wide parts of the world.

small pox on the other hand was eradicated thanks to governments.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 01, 2013 11:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

pantsonfire wrote:
Drugs? :roll:

Education and experience. You should try one some time.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 02, 2013 12:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

energyman76b wrote:
BoneKracker wrote:

Government research didn't establish international trade and knowledge sharing, create the industrial revolution, or invent most of the things that have increased our general standard of living over time. Contrary to popular beliefs, they also haven't been been responsible for the big disease cures (polio, for example, was cured by charitable foundations).


polio is still rampant in wide parts of the world.

small pox on the other hand was eradicated thanks to governments.

Developing a cure and eradicating a disease are two different things. We were talking about research here, not the doling out of medicine.

Smallpox was not cured by governments. The use of cowpox as a cure for it had been known to the Scythians since before recorded history (and documented by the ancient greeks among those known as the Cercetae, who settled near the Bosporus). It was probably widely known among the peoples of the steppes.

This cure was eventually noted by the stubborn, bigoted Europeans (who scoffed at "Turkish" medicine), first by French intellectuals and then an English doctor, and eventually a wealthy English Vicar's son who was in private practice as a physician actually tried it and claimed to have "discovered" it (and is celebrated in Western history as having done so and as being the "father of immunology"). In any case, governments had nothing to do with it.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 02, 2013 5:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BoneKracker wrote:
energyman76b wrote:
BoneKracker wrote:

Government research didn't establish international trade and knowledge sharing, create the industrial revolution, or invent most of the things that have increased our general standard of living over time. Contrary to popular beliefs, they also haven't been been responsible for the big disease cures (polio, for example, was cured by charitable foundations).


polio is still rampant in wide parts of the world.

small pox on the other hand was eradicated thanks to governments.

Developing a cure and eradicating a disease are two different things. We were talking about research here, not the doling out of medicine.

Smallpox was not cured by governments. The use of cowpox as a cure for it had been known to the Scythians since before recorded history (and documented by the ancient greeks among those known as the Cercetae, who settled near the Bosporus). It was probably widely known among the peoples of the steppes.

This cure was eventually noted by the stubborn, bigoted Europeans (who scoffed at "Turkish" medicine), first by French intellectuals and then an English doctor, and eventually a wealthy English Vicar's son who was in private practice as a physician actually tried it and claimed to have "discovered" it (and is celebrated in Western history as having done so and as being the "father of immunology"). In any case, governments had nothing to do with it.


and then the governments sat together and devised a plan to erradicate smallpox once and for all, including forced vacciniation.

And it worked.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 02, 2013 5:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, the United States gathered the leaders of the Western Hemisphere together and eradicated the disease here. You people in the East didn't do dick, until the Soviet Union started the ball rolling and took 20 more years to get it done.

But, as I said, developing a cure and eradicating a disease are two different things. We were talking about research here, not the doling out of medicine.
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