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PostPosted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 3:24 pm    Post subject: 35 minutes left Reply with quote

and then the first numbers for this years most important election will be made public.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 3:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's still hope for Greece.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 3:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a very good plan to save Greece.

But sadly, those weak willed 'human rights' fetishists will never allow it to be set in motion :(
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 5:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So, what happened?
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 5:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Merkel happened.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 7:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sadly, lots of merkel happened. On the plus side, Rösler happened too. So no FDP assholes to worry about.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 8:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Merkel deserves another 10-20 years
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 9:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cokehabit wrote:
Merkel deserves another 10-20 years
You just want some brick shithouse massive boobie action.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 9:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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sadly, lots of merkel happened. On the plus side, Rösler happened too. So no FDP assholes to worry about.

Well what did you expect? The social democrat candidate did seem not to care too much for winning (or maybe he was just too distracted from all the backstabbing going on in his party), the green party is reeling from reports that their support for positions of pedophile groups go further than previously claimed (and much worse, they threatened the 'veggie day'), the Pirate Party has very thoroughly demonstrated that they are a bunch of chaotic, misogynistic loosers, and only crackpots, ex-punks and old people from eastern Germany vote for the post-communists (and those old people die). Only scary thing is that our very own teabaggers (AfD) came dangerously close to win a few parliament seats, and may still get them as the last results come in tonight.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 10:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So now the green party is the one single defender of liberal (as in "liberty") values? Oh dear.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 2:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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energyman76b wrote:
sadly, lots of merkel happened. On the plus side, Rösler happened too. So no FDP assholes to worry about.

Well what did you expect? The social democrat candidate did seem not to care too much for winning (or maybe he was just too distracted from all the backstabbing going on in his party), the green party is reeling from reports that their support for positions of pedophile groups go further than previously claimed (and much worse, they threatened the 'veggie day'), the Pirate Party has very thoroughly demonstrated that they are a bunch of chaotic, misogynistic loosers, and only crackpots, ex-punks and old people from eastern Germany vote for the post-communists (and those old people die). Only scary thing is that our very own teabaggers (AfD) came dangerously close to win a few parliament seats, and may still get them as the last results come in tonight.

Europe is in desperate need of teabaggers. Your parties are mostly just slightly different brands of collectivist authoritarianism.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 5:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I feared Merkel would win again. Even though we're not electing Merkel but the a party, awfully many people are voting for CDU because of Merkel (and not, as you might think if you don't have a Cokehabitean fetish, in spite of). My sister is just one example: She says she was not a traditional CDU voter, but thought that Merkel was doing a very good job, especially as a woman, and she might give her her vote.
Many people say that Merkel is doing a good job, but I wonder when was the last time she's actually done anything. Most of the time she just sits there like a toad on her stool, letting other people do the talking and occasionally supporting some of them. She's lost an awful lot of ministers already, but not before expressing her trust in them. Hell, she's even lost 2 (2!) presidents, something that is unprecedented in post WWII history and couldn't come up with a good 3rd one on her own and recycled the candidate of SPD/ Bündnis 90 from 2 years before.
So, if any coalition can be formed, we're probably in for another 4 years of doing nothing.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 5:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Clad in Sky wrote:
I feared Merkel would win again. Even though we're not electing Merkel but the a party, awfully many people are voting for CDU because of Merkel (and not, as you might think if you don't have a Cokehabitean fetish, in spite of). My sister is just one example: She says she was not a traditional CDU voter, but thought that Merkel was doing a very good job, especially as a woman, and she might give her her vote.
Many people say that Merkel is doing a good job, but I wonder when was the last time she's actually done anything. Most of the time she just sits there like a toad on her stool, letting other people do the talking and occasionally supporting some of them. She's lost an awful lot of ministers already, but not before expressing her trust in them. Hell, she's even lost 2 (2!) presidents, something that is unprecedented in post WWII history and couldn't come up with a good 3rd one on her own and recycled the candidate of SPD/ Bündnis 90 from 2 years before.
So, if any coalition can be formed, we're probably in for another 4 years of doing nothing.

She reminds me of Clinton (except without the corruption, lying, blowjobs, accusations of sexual harrassment, suspicions of murder and stuff). He used to sit there and do a lot of nothing too. It was like he default action was "Sit there grinning and see what happens."
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 5:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually if you do nothing, the problem resolves itself.

That kind of problem solving is an art form very few are able to master. And is the most superior form of management technique that one can master. Very few can.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 5:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you've picked good people, then 'hands-off' management is a viable leadership style.

That's on a different plane than problem-solving, though. In terms of problem-solving, except where 'hands-off' leadership is applicable, 'do nothing' is an occasionally useful tactic in the right circumstances, but not a wise general strategy.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 5:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not saying 'hands-off' approach. I'm saying 'doing nothing' approach.

That's what I said, this is very specialized art form.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 6:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

notageek wrote:
I'm not saying 'hands-off' approach. I'm saying 'doing nothing' approach.

That's what I said, this is very specialized art form.

Specialized, yes. Occasionally, it's exactly the right thing to do.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 6:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

notageek wrote:
I'm not saying 'hands-off' approach. I'm saying 'doing nothing' approach.

That's what I said, this is very specialized art form.


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And it works. Had the US government done nothing during the current (I didn't say last for a reason, government intervention has prolonged the agony) financial meltdown (caused by government regulations), we'd all be in better shape now.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 7:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 8:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think Merkel needs to change her name to "Helmut" though, because it's such a cool name, because you can never have too many Helmuts, and because her head kind of looks like a helmet.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 8:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Merkel means frontier in German.

"Bevor Sie nach Deutschland zu bekommen, müssen Sie durch merkel zu bekommen."
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 8:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Merkel does nothing just like her mentor Kohl. She does nothing until everything breaks down. Then SPD&Grüne will come in, save the bacon, fix everything. A lot of people will be pissed off, vote for CDU next time. CDU will reap the benefits - and will do nothing again.

A never ending cycle since Adenauer.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 9:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Europe is in desperate need of teabaggers. Your parties are mostly just slightly different brands of collectivist authoritarianism.

If by 'collectivist authoritarianism' you mean 'kind of sort of almost general health insurance' and 'no, you don't get to buy a gun to impress women at bars', then you are certainly right. As for right-wing populists, Europe already has them galore (Front National in France, Vlamsbelang in Belgium, FPÖ/BZÖ in Austria, those fellows in power right now in Hungary, several parties across Scandinavia, Berlusconi's racket whatever that is called today, ...), and we need them about as desperately as we need bedbugs.

energyman76b wrote:
Merkel does nothing just like her mentor Kohl. She does nothing until everything breaks down. Then SPD&Grüne will come in, save the bacon, fix everything. A lot of people will be pissed off, vote for CDU next time. CDU will reap the benefits - and will do nothing again.

A.k.a. they will do the things that they claimed would cause the apocalypse when implemented (Agenda2010 ring a bell, or retirement at 67?) and blocked via Bundesrat when in opposition, and then act all suprised when they get punished by their voter base. :lol:
(I guess that ties in with the 'Only Nixon could go to China' thing).

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Merkel means frontier in German.

Nope.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 9:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Greece is concerned.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-24201522
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Voltago wrote:
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Merkel means frontier in German.

Nope.
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