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PostPosted: Sat Sep 20, 2014 3:18 am    Post subject: Google, the Malware Company Reply with quote

Google's Doubleclick Ad Servers Exposed Millions of Computers To Malware
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 20, 2014 6:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's somewhat funny that ad- and script-blockers are doing a way better and much more important job today then "antivirus" software.

I mean, surfing with ads is just unbearable alone, but the risks involved today? Most people (should) have learned by now not to click on things in emails, but telling them to not visit their favorite website unprotected will still raise eyebrowse. People need to learn that there are no such things as safe websites today(not if they are using JS), it's no longer only the warez hosters throwing out malware.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 20, 2014 7:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, it's the government.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 20, 2014 4:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It's somewhat funny that ad- and script-blockers are doing a way better and much more important job today then "antivirus" software.

I mean, surfing with ads is just unbearable alone, but the risks involved today? Most people (should) have learned by now not to click on things in emails, but telling them to not visit their favorite website unprotected will still raise eyebrowse. People need to learn that there are no such things as safe websites today(not if they are using JS), it's no longer only the warez hosters throwing out malware.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 21, 2014 2:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

avx wrote:
It's somewhat funny that ad- and script-blockers are doing a way better and much more important job today then "antivirus" software.

I mean, surfing with ads is just unbearable alone, but the risks involved today? Most people (should) have learned by now not to click on things in emails, but telling them to not visit their favorite website unprotected will still raise eyebrowse. People need to learn that there are no such things as safe websites today(not if they are using JS), it's no longer only the warez hosters throwing out malware.


adblocking is also destroying the 'free' internet and such everybody using it is a hypocritical parasite that should be shot in the face.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 21, 2014 2:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I use adblocking.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 21, 2014 2:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Google collects everything. Even your mother's panties.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 21, 2014 2:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I use adblocking.


The prosecution rests its case.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 21, 2014 2:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The defense rests it's dick on the prosecution's nose.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 21, 2014 3:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The defense rests it's dick on the prosecution's nose.


you just admit that you are communist freeloader. Please continue that way.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 21, 2014 3:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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avx wrote:
It's somewhat funny that ad- and script-blockers are doing a way better and much more important job today then "antivirus" software.

I mean, surfing with ads is just unbearable alone, but the risks involved today? Most people (should) have learned by now not to click on things in emails, but telling them to not visit their favorite website unprotected will still raise eyebrowse. People need to learn that there are no such things as safe websites today(not if they are using JS), it's no longer only the warez hosters throwing out malware.


adblocking is also destroying the 'free' internet and such everybody using it is a hypocritical parasite that should be shot in the face.


Either you're being sarcastic or just wrong. First there was the content, then someone decided they want money for it and created webads.

No one is forcing anyone to bring content to the web, actually that often has negative side effects(eroding journalism f.e.). Hosting stuff costs money, sure, I pay my own hosting bills. That doesn't mean you can't charge people to access it. Problem is, pretty much anything is free on the web, because it's given away for free. As the owner of the content you're free trying to monetize it however you wish. Just create a paywall. Oh noes, people are running away and reading your copy of a non-self-researched article from a news aggregation agency on another site? Too bad. Heck, even porn creates more uniq stuff then the usual news outlet.

Your so called "free" web hasn't been free for 10+ years now, sponsored stories disguised as articles are everywhere. Unbiased/not payed for tests, rare as diamonds.

Imho, advertising is nothing but cancer. It makes products more expensive, it ruins nature and wastes ressources. For what, so that some dickhead gets yet another Porsche in his garage?

Jobs creating no value are no jobs worth paying for. A job mostly consisting of copy/paste does no value. Period.

For me, ads are only ever exceptable for private persons or community projects with no other possible form of income and for them I've got a whitelist. But please, enlighten me, especially in regards to media outlets, for what do they deserve the money you're willing to click them?
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 21, 2014 11:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

first there were costs.

and there are still costs.

Electricity, traffic, hardware. Costs.

The more people visit your site, the higher your costs.

So, how do you finance that?

And if you have to employ people after a while, because your site grew too large for a single person, how do you pay them?


Adblocking is parasitism. Nothing else.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 21, 2014 12:33 pm    Post subject: Re: Google, the Malware Company Reply with quote

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Google's Doubleclick Ad Servers Exposed Millions of Computers To Malware


that's why I use single click.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 21, 2014 6:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

energyman76b wrote:
first there were costs.

and there are still costs.

Electricity, traffic, hardware. Costs.

The more people visit your site, the higher your costs.

So, how do you finance that?

And if you have to employ people after a while, because your site grew too large for a single person, how do you pay them?


Adblocking is parasitism. Nothing else.

This is hilarious, coming from a socialist.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 21, 2014 8:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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energyman76b wrote:
first there were costs.

and there are still costs.

Electricity, traffic, hardware. Costs.

The more people visit your site, the higher your costs.

So, how do you finance that?

And if you have to employ people after a while, because your site grew too large for a single person, how do you pay them?


Adblocking is parasitism. Nothing else.

This is hilarious, coming from a socialist.


if you want to pay for every click in the future, please continue adblocking.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 21, 2014 9:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd rather pay a small monthly fee than be barraged by advertising that makes it virtually impossible to do what I want. I also pay for TV content for this reason. My time and my brain are too valuable to waste half of them consuming advertising.

Besides, your argument is a false dilemma. TV used to be entirely ad-supported, but now TV and pay-TV co-exist nicely and we consume both and make our own personal choices between them. Your scare-mongering that blocking ads will lead to being forced to pay for "every single click" is nonsense.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 21, 2014 9:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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first there were costs.

and there are still costs.

Electricity, traffic, hardware. Costs.

The more people visit your site, the higher your costs.

So, how do you finance that?

And if you have to employ people after a while, because your site grew too large for a single person, how do you pay them?
It's called having a real business model and an actual product.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 21, 2014 9:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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energyman76b wrote:
first there were costs.

and there are still costs.

Electricity, traffic, hardware. Costs.

The more people visit your site, the higher your costs.

So, how do you finance that?

And if you have to employ people after a while, because your site grew too large for a single person, how do you pay them?
It's called having a real business model and an actual product.


and that business model depends on advertisement.

If you block that - if everybody blocked ads, the internet as we know it would collaps. The only thing left: state media sites. And a couple of porn sites.

Hm...
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 22, 2014 11:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Then THAT SPECIFIC business has a potentially faulty business model and a potentially unreliable revenue stream. NOT MY PROBLEM. I don't care if THAT business fails. Others can choose a different model. When I'm allowed to charge advertisers to deliver ads on the bandwidth I PAID FOR, then I'll consider unblocking ads. I'm perfectly fine if they don't want to pay my rates. That's their choice.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 22, 2014 12:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I stand here clearly on the side of the communist freeloader and my comrades Bones McCracker!
Really, no kidding! I mean this in all seriousness!

I block advertising for years and I will not change this.
Only for less than 10 websites I have entered exceptions.
I would not mind advertising if it would just unobtrusive text and would not interfere.
But all the animated objects, video and especially audio is become intolerable!
As well as no longer acceptable tracking.

The browser on my computers all have:
- adblocker
- Ghostery to block the whole Tracker
- HTTPS Everywhere (to make it the 3 letters criminal organizations somewhat heavier)

My phone and tablet is rooted and running with http://www.cyanogenmod.org/
And only a few Google services, but also with adblocker.

@ energyman76b
Do you work for an advertising agency, then I could understand your opinion at least halfway.

Otherwise, what Comrade Bones McCracker has already written here in this thread, I can support so completely.
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@frank9999, don't know what browser you're using, but if it's Firefox, you might want to add RequestPolicy to your plugins.
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A/V ads definitely need to die. But other than that... meh. *shrug* that is what we have ad blockers for.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 22, 2014 3:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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A/V ads definitely need to die. But other than that... meh. *shrug* that is what we have ad blockers for.
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I don't bother trying to block ads gmail broadcasts to their mail UI. Of course, I also rarely notice them. I don't think I've ever clicked on one.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 22, 2014 3:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

pjp wrote:
mdeininger wrote:
A/V ads definitely need to die. But other than that... meh. *shrug* that is what we have ad blockers for.
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I don't bother trying to block ads gmail broadcasts to their mail UI. Of course, I also rarely notice them. I don't think I've ever clicked on one.
Yeah, same here. I actually used to pay for Apps for Business, which allows you to remove those gmail ads, but I honestly don't think I ever clicked one. I just zone 'em out.
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I click on them, some of the best porn sites have been found by popups
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