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PostPosted: Thu Jul 25, 2013 5:47 pm    Post subject: Zimmerman (continued) Reply with quote

Great Summary


Split from "Zimmerman" -- pjp
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 25, 2013 6:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bigun wrote:
Great Summary


Absolutely nailed it.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 25, 2013 7:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Great Summary


WOW

that was... great.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 26, 2013 1:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Muso wrote:
Bigun wrote:
Great Summary


Absolutely nailed it.


"nyt zimmerman racist" didn't produce much for me. don't see what this circle jerk is about.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 27, 2013 4:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

juniper wrote:
Muso wrote:
Bigun wrote:
Great Summary


Absolutely nailed it.


"nyt zimmerman racist" didn't produce much for me. don't see what this circle jerk is about.

This whole thing is all about black people being misled to believe this was a racist act -- a conclusion the actual facts do not support. The media continues to promote this idea, and a fair percentage of the African American public are buying it. There's an NAACP-supported petition of the Justice Department to bring Zimmerman up on Civil Rights charges -- something there's absolutely no basis for whatsoever. That is inherently a claim that he behaved in a racist manner (in this case). That his how divorced from the truth this propaganda campaign is, and how successful it, nevertheless, has been. History shows that populist demagoguery is a harbinger of authoritarianism. That's why this should not just dismay us, but make us very concerned. "We the People" are being toyed with, like puppets.

Leftist authoritarians who want to erode the civil rights of self defense and the 2nd amendment have hi-jacked this incident from the beginning. They've tried to do it other cases recently, every time there's any kind of shooting, even trying to blame the shootings on conservatives. But this one has worked, because it was open to at least a suspicion, on the part of the uninformed and credulous, of racist motives.

To make that work, they had to control the coverage from day one, suppress the facts, and amplify the irresponsible, deluded, race-baiting message of people like Al Sharpton. They are playing on the fears and insecurity of the less intelligent, less informed element among African Americans, and helping opportunistic con-men like Sharpton to whip them up into a misinformed, misled, angry mob. Sure, they'll throw money at Sharpton and friends to "right this injustice", and he'll be wearing even more expensive suits and hair products and have an even better manicure the next time we see him, but in the mean time, African Americans are being distracted from the real problem and the real lesson here: black youth must be turned away from this violent, gang-oriented culture and mentality, because it has started to pervade mainstream African-American culture.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2013 10:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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This whole thing is all about black people being misled to believe this was a racist act -- a conclusion the actual facts do not support. The media continues to promote this idea, and a fair percentage of the African American public are buying it. There's an NAACP-supported petition of the Justice Department to bring Zimmerman up on Civil Rights charges -- something there's absolutely no basis for whatsoever. That is inherently a claim that he behaved in a racist manner (in this case). That his how divorced from the truth this propaganda campaign is, and how successful it, nevertheless, has been. History shows that populist demagoguery is a harbinger of authoritarianism. That's why this should not just dismay us, but make us very concerned. "We the People" are being toyed with, like puppets.


Apparently, there are people trying to paint zimmerman as a racist. He appears clearly not to be one. But that doesn't make race not a part of the attack. You admitted yourself that the black subculture is part of the problem with their pro violence (not unlike your broader subculture. Where do you think they get the idea of if someone disses you, you stand your ground?). In any case, white's aren't immune to that. they see that.

How well did martin actually match the description of the burglars? Not much if i bet. "unidentified black male" is made fun of for a reason. And you can't fault the black community for not trusting law enforcement in your country. They are targeted by police, so it isn't far fetched to think that he was targeted if only subconsciously.

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Leftist authoritarians who want to erode the civil rights of self defense and the 2nd amendment have hi-jacked this incident from the beginning.


you say this a lot and it happens a lot. Perhaps there is a lot of material (i.e. shootings) for leftist authoritarians to work with.

keep your eye on the problem. amendment 4 is being ripped to shreds. don't get distracted by all this gun nonsense.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2013 1:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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amendment 4 is being ripped to shreds. don't get distracted by all this gun nonsense.


Without the 2nd amendment there would be no 4th.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2013 1:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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juniper wrote:
amendment 4 is being ripped to shreds. don't get distracted by all this gun nonsense.


Without the 2nd amendment there would be no 4th.


a thoroughly demonstrably false statement.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2013 2:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

juniper wrote:
Muso wrote:
juniper wrote:
amendment 4 is being ripped to shreds. don't get distracted by all this gun nonsense.


Without the 2nd amendment there would be no 4th.


a thoroughly demonstrably false statement.


Without the 2nd amendment we wouldn't have the 1st either. And it's not false, as we'd still be little subjects of a German queen... like you lot.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2013 6:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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juniper wrote:
Muso wrote:
juniper wrote:
amendment 4 is being ripped to shreds. don't get distracted by all this gun nonsense.


Without the 2nd amendment there would be no 4th.


a thoroughly demonstrably false statement.


Without the 2nd amendment we wouldn't have the 1st either. And it's not false, as we'd still be little subjects of a German queen... like you lot.


still drinking america is #1?
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2013 6:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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still drinking america is #1?


I'm not sure how you made that teleport in reasoning.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2013 8:05 pm    Post subject: Re: Zimmerman (continued) Reply with quote

Bigun wrote:
Great Summary
Unshocking the weakstream media chose to hide those details.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2013 8:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Limbaugh's said it for years: "the drive-by media"
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 30, 2013 10:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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still drinking america is #1?


I'm not sure how you made that teleport in reasoning.


That's the only explanation I can come up with for such a ridiculous statement. #2 is neither necessary nor sufficient for #1 or #4. but by #1 (freedom of religion, that includes the religion of gun-nutism), you certainly have the right to believe otherwise.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 30, 2013 10:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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still drinking america is #1?


I'm not sure how you made that teleport in reasoning.


That's the only explanation I can come up with for such a ridiculous statement. #2 is neither necessary nor sufficient for #1 or #4. but by #1 (freedom of religion, that includes the religion of gun-nutism), you certainly have the right to believe otherwise.


You're hopeless :lol:

Try to think how the USA was able to make a constitution.
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still drinking america is #1?


I'm not sure how you made that teleport in reasoning.


That's the only explanation I can come up with for such a ridiculous statement. #2 is neither necessary nor sufficient for #1 or #4. but by #1 (freedom of religion, that includes the religion of gun-nutism), you certainly have the right to believe otherwise.


You're hopeless :lol:

Try to think how the USA was able to make a constitution.


try and count the number of years that have passed since those events occurred. Here's a little maths problem for you. if you count 1 second/year, how many minutes have passed?

Other countries, even countries that have based their constitution on yours, notably have #1 and #4 but not #2. sections 2, 7, 8, 9, 10 in the canadian charter guarantee those rights. Number 10 is actually one that you have abandoned (the guarantee of habeas corpus).
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 30, 2013 10:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your crusade against self defense has deluded your thinking.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 30, 2013 11:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Your crusade against self defense has deluded your thinking.


if you say so.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 30, 2013 1:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Meanwhile, Zimmerman is still getting away with murder. Anyone know how many people he killed today?
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Meanwhile, Zimmerman is still getting away with murder. Anyone know how many people he killed today?


obviously he fell at least one short.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 30, 2013 3:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Meanwhile, Zimmerman is still getting away with murder. Anyone know how many people he killed today?


*eats popcorn*

You're entertaining.
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pantsonfire wrote:
Meanwhile, Zimmerman is still getting away with murder. Anyone know how many people he killed today?


obviously he fell at least one short.

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Meanwhile, Zimmerman is still getting away with murder. Anyone know how many people he killed today?

Oh, there's Avatar Boy! Haven't seen you around much lately. :lol:
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I'm scared to come out. Zimmurderman's on a rampage.
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I'm scared to come out. Zimmurderman's on a rampage.


A rampage of helping to save people's lives.
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