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PostPosted: Thu Aug 01, 2013 1:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Price is strongly affected by economy of scale. Do you think they're going to sell as many of these as Samsung will sell of the Galaxy S4?


Right, but the Ubuntu Edge also does not have to fund Samsungs 11 BILLION dollar marketing budget. It is not even supposed to make a profit. How much profit do you think Samsung makes per S4?

And sure, it is easier to get better prices when buying large quantities, but since this will be a testing device trying out new specs to get proven for phones, then it is customary to heavily discount or even give away those parts for free for the prototypes.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 01, 2013 9:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What makes you think it's not supposed to make a profit. Non-profit and not-for-profit organizations must provide money-making products and services to offset their own non-value-added operations, in order to achieve a net operating result of zero.

For example, do you think not-for-profit hospitals don't make any money on surgeries? They do. They make a lot. It just gets chewed up by other things, so that, at the enterprise level, it's not "profit" per se.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 03, 2013 12:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the Ubuntu Edge is an interesting device, and I hope the funding goal is reached. It should be possible to hack in Gentoo on it, don't you think? :)
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 03, 2013 12:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's what I was hoping.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 6:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Taken from the reddit AmA today/now:

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mondoman712 2 points 3 hours ago

Will it be possible to run other distros for the desktop OS when you dock it?


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mfisch Ubuntu for Android 6 points 3 hours ago

No. UfA is a modified and reduced (in size) Ubuntu distro. We have modified packages and also new code/scripts that is needed to interact with Android. A new distro would have to redo all that work. You cannot just drop another one in.


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But it would be possible for another distro to do that? Also I assume that all of your code will be available and that could help.


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Yes, another distro could, it's just work ;)


Thus it would seem that, yes, we can have it running Gentoo if we want to put in the work. :)

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Ubuntu Edge will not be bootloader locked, nor carrier locked.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 8:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What the heck is "Ubuntu for Android"? Ubuntu is Debian with an orange theme and some pet projects, so will this be Android with an orange theme and some pet projects?
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 8:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought Ubuntu was brown?
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 8:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I thought Ubuntu was brown?

It was Shit Brown, then Mandarin Orange. I haven't seen it in a long time. I think it might even be Tinky-Winky Purple now.

Edit: nope, it's still orange ("Ubuntu Orange"), but Tinky-Winky Purple (aubergine, which is the color of an eggplant, apparently) is a "supporting color":
http://design.ubuntu.com/brand/colour-palette
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 9:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

'Ubuntu for Android' is a software solution for Android devices to be able to start a Ubuntu desktop if they connect an external monitor and peripherals to the device, similar to how the Ubuntu Edge will be able to 'dock' into a desktop PC.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 9:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As long as it is not nausea green like the default Mint scheme.

Seriously, aesthetics should be low on the list of reasons not to use an OS, especially considering the first thing most people do is stuff around with the theme.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 10:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Indeed, and also considering the Ubuntu logo on the Edge device is simply shades of dark/grey/black like the mobile device itself, I do not care what the colour of their logo usually is. I think the logo apart from their usual colours is quite neat.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 10:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Western geek-media has written a bit about the ubuntu edge, but have they been able to reach other big markets like China, India, Latin America?
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 7:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Let's just keep spreading the word, then. Help more people see what a great device they will get if they support. :)
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 9:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, at this point the donations are stuck and the project already pretty much a failure. Too bad they ruined it months ago when they introduced Mir and offended most of the 'other' communities.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 07, 2013 2:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Competition can be a good thing. Maybe the presence of Mir will have positive effect on Wayland (unless one or the other gets absorbed by systemd). :lol:
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 07, 2013 8:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Of course. But pretending to support the one thing while secretly doing the other, breaking the plans of other projects that had been planning with some of your works, then spreading technical FUD about the reasons for your move - that is how to really offend people. Small as the Linux desktop community is, you can't expect a $ 32 m. bid to succeed after that.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 07, 2013 9:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Of course. But pretending to support the one thing while secretly doing the other, breaking the plans of other projects that had been planning with some of your works, then spreading technical FUD about the reasons for your move - that is how to really offend people. Small as the Linux desktop community is, you can't expect a $ 32 m. bid to succeed after that.

Oh, that's a classic business tactic that has given way, since the 1850s, to ideals of social responsibility. It's called "The Ol' 'Oops, wrong hole! Hey this feels kinda good!' stratagem".
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 07, 2013 1:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tobbebobbe wrote:
But do you actually think it is so expensive, compared to other high-end smartphones? A Samsung Galaxy S4 or HTC One costs about 800 USD in Europe. The disadvantage is of course that most people pay for such a phone with a monthly charge on their phone bill, where you would have to pay up front several months in advance for the Edge.

Most people buy their phones for peanuts, nobody is paying full price when buying a new phone. You already have a carrier, and upgrades are cheap, even tho it means you are locked to a carrier (its how majority of people get their phones anyway).
So why pay money for it?
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 07, 2013 4:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I dislike being locked to a carrier, and much prefer paying more to have a unlocked phone and choice of carrier rather than the opposite. Freedom.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 07, 2013 9:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bloomberg just pledged for an enterprise bundle of these. :)
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 08, 2013 2:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

More is happening with the Ubuntu Edge campaign!

"Ubuntu Edge now $695, thanks to major industry backing"

You can read more about that, here.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 14, 2013 10:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lets hope that the Ubuntu Edge breaks $10.2M crowdfund record sooner rather than later and that media will bring that story up.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 14, 2013 1:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Indeed, the campaign has passed $10M now. Should not be too long before the crowdfunding world record is broken.

I'll also add in yesterdays message from Mark Shuttleworth:

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Hi everyone

Thanks in large part to all of you, the Ubuntu Edge campaign response has been incredible. In just over three weeks more than 20,000 people have backed the project, from individuals giving a single dollar right up to Bloomberg’s fantastic $80,000 contribution. Along the way we’ve broken crowdfunding records, including the fastest project to hit $2 million (7hrs 59mins), and the highest ever 24-hour total ($3.45 million). We’re now on the verge of an even bigger milestone as we approach the all-time crowdfunding record of $10.27 million.

Speaking both personally and for the team, the more time we spend on this project, the more excited we get about the possibilities of this new class of device. And as the news has spread we’ve seen industry thought leaders coming round to the idea that convergence can be a real force, and that this project represents a new way to underwrite innovation.

That led to some significant engagements with suppliers that enabled us to drop the price below $700, without compromising the specification. And now that we’ve seen next-generation phones from other major names, we think the price-performance of the Edge is off the charts -- it offers real value. We’re even more convinced that it will take a new approach to unlock the next wave of mobile innovation.

Whatever happens in the next nine days, the Ubuntu Edge is already making a difference. This campaign lets enthusiast consumers signal their interest to a mobile industry that caters overwhelmingly to the mainstream. It’s making it clear that we’re no longer satisfied with minor updates; we’re looking for true innovation and we’re ready to pay for it. And that message is getting through.

So in a sense, we can be proud of what’s been achieved already -- but we really want to hit that $32 million! We’re going to need a huge push, a surge in awareness that builds momentum to carry us over the line. No one here is giving up while the goal remains achievable, and you’ve all gone out of your way to add your voice to the chorus. So I’m writing to ask you to take to the Twitterverse and other social networks to encourage like-minded types to join you, and me, and companies large and small, in backing the Ubuntu Edge.

As they say, the future is already here, it’s just not widely distributed. We’re working to put it in the hands of 40,000 people, to start a revolution. And you’re there at the start.


Mark Shuttleworth

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 14, 2013 3:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I read that these overheat, drop calls, explode batteries, and bite the testicles of Scandinavian swimmers.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 15, 2013 5:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's a very nice device, with a terrific look and nice features. Unfortunately, the goal will not be reached, not only because of the Mir controversy, but also because of the spywire Stallman and others pointed out in Ubuntu.

The linux community is a paranoid one, and the enthusiasm may be great inside the Ubuntu community, but that doesn't mean it will be shared by the whole community. That's too bad, because it is really a very nice device, but what Canonical is saying is "Buy my expensive nice device, and if you don't want my spyware, you will have to do all the hard work to implement another distribution."

This is not so free software is moving. And Canonical did not understand it. Where is the source code? Where is the documentation to know what is needed to implement another distribution? I may be wrong and they can be somewhere, but I don't see the answers to these 2 very important questions.
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