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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 12:21 am    Post subject: Drunk Driver Kills Two Children, Gets Killed by Father Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 12:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ain't gonna work very well for the guy accused of murder.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 12:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's Texas, so we'll see.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 12:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What's really tragic in this story is a so-called journalist abusing the word, "epically" to describe something that, in fact, happened entirely within a few moments.

Unless he's got a record, he should be allowed to plead to manslaughter, let off with a 2-year sentence, and paroled in 1. Similar leniency should be shown to people exacting vengeance for rape, child molestation, and the buggery of livestock.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 12:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's murder. You can't go around killing people when you're pissed off.

What happened to christian forgiveness? Or, thou shalt not kill?
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 1:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mcgruff wrote:
What happened to christian forgiveness? Or, thou shalt not kill?

Why bring Christians into this? Oh, that's right; you're one of those Flying Spaghetti Monster people in denial that they're Flying Spaghetti Monster people.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 1:55 am    Post subject: Re: Drunk Driver Kills Two Children, Gets Killed by Father Reply with quote

wswartzendruber wrote:
Article

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I'd acquit him were I on the jury.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 2:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mcgruff wrote:
It's murder. You can't go around killing people when you're pissed off.

What happened to christian forgiveness? Or, thou shalt not kill?

Actually, you're right.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 4:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If he's guilty, he's guilty. Circumstances are relevant for sentencing, but not determining guilt. I would expect it to be considered a "crime of passion."
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 3:23 pm    Post subject: Re: Drunk Driver Kills Two Children, Gets Killed by Father Reply with quote

Muso wrote:
wswartzendruber wrote:
Article

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I'd acquit him were I on the jury.


Really? I am somewhat with BK on this one. It's a murder, but in the heat of the moment. Clearly he was off his head and didn't plan on it. But, he shot and killed a likely defenceless person who posed no threat.

Shouldn't get off, but should probably get off with something lightish. That's assuming there was no lag time (i.e. he didn't have time to cool off and then planned to kill the guy). I can't tell if BK advocates vigilantism, but if it is all done in the heat of the moment, you can't really blame the fellow.

any which way you look at it though, it's a tragedy.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 4:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The car crash was an accident. The shooting was deliberate.

Quite often people who do something to cause innocent deaths are full of remorse and are haunted by what they did for the rest of their lives. I'm not a christian but life would be pretty hard without forgiveness. People can learn and they can change.

When people are in pain which they cannot face they either take it out on other people or they take it out on themselves. The father needs to be helped but telling him it's OK to commit murder does not help. Perhaps he will regret the day he became a killer for the rest of his life. It doesn't bring anyone back; it just creates an unfillable hole in another family, and more grieving relatives and, possibly, another cycle of vengeance. Where does it end?
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 4:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seriously, dude, what has being Christian got to do with it? At times I almost think I agree with what you say, and then *pow* it's gone.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 4:24 pm    Post subject: Re: Drunk Driver Kills Two Children, Gets Killed by Father Reply with quote

juniper wrote:
Muso wrote:
wswartzendruber wrote:
Article

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I'd acquit him were I on the jury.


Really? I am somewhat with BK on this one. It's a murder, but in the heat of the moment. Clearly he was off his head and didn't plan on it. But, he shot and killed a likely defenceless person who posed no threat.


A drunk who just took out his two children. No mercy for that kind of shit, ever.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 8:35 pm    Post subject: Re: Drunk Driver Kills Two Children, Gets Killed by Father Reply with quote

Muso wrote:
juniper wrote:
Muso wrote:
wswartzendruber wrote:
Article

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I'd acquit him were I on the jury.


Really? I am somewhat with BK on this one. It's a murder, but in the heat of the moment. Clearly he was off his head and didn't plan on it. But, he shot and killed a likely defenceless person who posed no threat.


A drunk who just took out his two children. No mercy for that kind of shit, ever.


by getting drunk and getting behind a steering wheel he committed a serious crime. but he didn't intentionally kill the kids. in any case, it shouldn't be handled by vigilante style killings.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 8:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mcgruff wrote:
The car crash was an accident.
Not when you're drunk it isn't.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 9:47 pm    Post subject: Re: Drunk Driver Kills Two Children, Gets Killed by Father Reply with quote

juniper wrote:
Muso wrote:
juniper wrote:
Muso wrote:
wswartzendruber wrote:
Article

Works for me.


I'd acquit him were I on the jury.


Really? I am somewhat with BK on this one. It's a murder, but in the heat of the moment. Clearly he was off his head and didn't plan on it. But, he shot and killed a likely defenceless person who posed no threat.


A drunk who just took out his two children. No mercy for that kind of shit, ever.


by getting drunk and getting behind a steering wheel he committed a serious crime. but he didn't intentionally kill the kids. in any case, it shouldn't be handled by vigilante style killings.


I can't say that I blame the father. Yes, it's still murder, but obviously the man wasn't in the right state of mind having just watched his kids get hit/killed by a car.

On one hand, I can see the justification behind charging him for murder, since he did.....kill the guy.

On the other hand, my guess is it will go something along the lines of, like someone said earlier, a "crime of passion" and he'll get off with a not-so-heavy sentence.

I'd let him go, but I'm biased so my opinion means nothing.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 12:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mcgruff wrote:
blah blah blah

Too late; you already outed yourself as a flying spaghetti monster person who is denial that he's a flying spaghetti monster person. "Teh Christian Values!"
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 1:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Humanism: christianity without, er, christ. And praying. It's what's left over after the collision between a bronze age cult and rationality.

Religion doesn't own morality. Doesn't even practice it half the time.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 1:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mcgruff wrote:
Humanism: christianity without, er, christ. And praying. It's what's left over after the collision between a bronze age cult and rationality.

Religion doesn't own morality. Doesn't even practice it half the time.

Your words speak for themselves. There is nothing humanist or rational about them. It's 100% pure Flying Spaghetti Monster, calling for blind obedience to doctrine. You can't go back now and put the lipstick of humanism on that pig:
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 3:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What a sad story. I can't say the father was right but I understand.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 3:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Spaghetarianism seems as good as anything else.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 3:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

pjp wrote:
Spaghetarianism seems as good as anything else.

If I was to follow a religion it would be akin to Gentoo where I could choose what I wanted to follow and it would take the rest of my life chopping and changing for it to work to my satisfaction. That way I could not say my way was better than other similar religions, just different.
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Thanks be to funroll-loops. It is right to give funroll-loops thanks and praise.


Actually, I agree with you. I've often thought if I cared enough to pursue it (read, won the lottery and had nothing better to do), I'd gather the best bits (aka holidays) and combine them into one.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 10:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dmitchell wrote:
What a sad story. I can't say the father was right but I understand.


exactly. I am against murder, death penalty etc, but that doesn't mean I would act differently in that situation. But that doesn't mean we should condone it.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 1:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

pjp wrote:
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The car crash was an accident.
Not when you're drunk it isn't.

in liberal land, "the drunk driver who stupidly slaughtered 2 children with his card" is the victim.

back here in the real world, i would acquit the father in a heartbeat.
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