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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 5:09 pm    Post subject: Don't come to Britain Reply with quote

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'Don't come to Britain, it's horrible and wet': New advertising campaign aims to put Romanian and Bulgarian immigrants off a new life in the UK

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 7:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We in the state of Oregon tried the same thing back in the 70s to keep the Californian vermin out (yes I realize that's redundant).

It doesn't work.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 7:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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We in the state of Oregon tried the same thing back in the 70s to keep the Californian vermin out (yes I realize that's redundant).

It doesn't work.


indeed. if that worked nobody would live in canada. house prices and jobs are probably the big drivers.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 8:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Old School wrote:
It doesn't work.


I know - the only hope now is that Cameron starts channelling Mrs T.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 10:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2013 10:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Old School wrote:
It doesn't work.


I know - the only hope now is that Cameron starts channelling Mrs T.


don't mind immigrants. they work hard, and work well.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2013 6:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

juniper wrote:
John-Boy wrote:
Old School wrote:
It doesn't work.


I know - the only hope now is that Cameron starts channelling Mrs T.


don't mind immigrants. they work hard, and work well.


Nothing against immigrants here either, but we don't have infinite space
or resources (NHS a point in case) and integration has to be managed.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2013 7:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

John-Boy wrote:
juniper wrote:
John-Boy wrote:
Old School wrote:
It doesn't work.


I know - the only hope now is that Cameron starts channelling Mrs T.


don't mind immigrants. they work hard, and work well.


Nothing against immigrants here either, but we don't have infinite space
or resources (NHS a point in case) and integration has to be managed.

Just feel fortunate it is not a bunch of Californians moving in.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2013 8:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

John-Boy wrote:
juniper wrote:
John-Boy wrote:
Old School wrote:
It doesn't work.


I know - the only hope now is that Cameron starts channelling Mrs T.


don't mind immigrants. they work hard, and work well.


Nothing against immigrants here either, but we don't have infinite space
or resources (NHS a point in case) and integration has to be managed.


the NHS should expand/contract with demographics. Should be easy too as the tax base expands/contracts.

integration is a problem.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2013 9:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

juniper wrote:
the NHS should expand/contract with demographics.


Ain't necessarily so - depends on primary healthcare, for starters -
if that's questionable in your initial country of origin, who covers the bill for complications?

And plus if you persist in intermarrying, which is prevalent in some cultures, who carries the bill
for example IMD's ?

juniper wrote:
tintegration is a problem.


As is space.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2013 9:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

John-Boy wrote:
juniper wrote:
the NHS should expand/contract with demographics.


Ain't necessarily so - depends on primary healthcare, for starters -
if that's questionable in your initial country of origin, who covers the bill for complications?

And plus if you persist in intermarrying, which is prevalent in some cultures, who carries the bill
for example IMD's ?

juniper wrote:
tintegration is a problem.


As is space.


IMD? I don't understand what you mean by intermarrying (within family)?

worse for the NHS is an aging population. See japan.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2013 9:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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IMD? I don't understand what you mean by intermarrying (within family)?

worse for the NHS is an aging population. See japan.


Inherited metabolic disorders, can be caused by close intermarriage, as you propose, family.

It also racks a fairly hefty bill in terms of care.

Geriatrics have nothing to do with the discussion about immigration.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 10:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

John-Boy wrote:
juniper wrote:
IMD? I don't understand what you mean by intermarrying (within family)?

worse for the NHS is an aging population. See japan.


Inherited metabolic disorders, can be caused by close intermarriage, as you propose, family.

It also racks a fairly hefty bill in terms of care.

Geriatrics have nothing to do with the discussion about immigration.


I would like to see the stats on how much it costs the NHS ("blip" comes to mind).

It's not geriatrics, it's a population that's aged. They cost too much, and without young to pay for their healthcare (and their damn bus passes), they will either suffer or go without.

The sad fact is that brits don't have babies. Canada, US and Britain would all be in contraction if it weren't for immigration. NOW that is a huge problem.

Call me doom and gloom, but if you want to see the destruction of british culture, stop immigration. We will have an old dying population with a stagnant economy. THEN, you won't need to run the ads at all, as no one will want to come here.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 6:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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it's a population that's aged.


What do you do with them then ?

Also one question - when do you draw the line on immigration ? Are you for completely open borders ?
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 6:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

John-Boy wrote:
juniper wrote:
it's a population that's aged.


What do you do with them then ?

Also one question - when do you draw the line on immigration ? Are you for completely open borders ?


I say support them. But you can't do that without immigration.

We already have completely open borders with the EU. I am cool with the status quo.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 8:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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We already have completely open borders with the EU. I am cool with the status quo.


Within the EU - not externally. Would you oppose external unchecked immigration, if so why ?
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