KDE 3 Alpha

Pasoa2000 · n00b Joined: 06 Jul 2002 Posts: 29

If I choose to unmask KDE 3 alpha from the package.mask file, and emerge kde, will it install 1) in addidtion to 3.0.2 or 2) overwrite the files? If it default to overwriting the files - is there a way to change this? I want to try the alpha, but don't wanna be left without a working kde... Thanks!

DArtagnan · Posted: Wed Jul 24, 2002 2:13 pm Post subject:

It will not overite any file...
I already use alfa and is very nice
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mksoft · l33t Joined: 28 May 2002 Posts: 844

To make sure you won't overwrite kde 3.0.2 installation, you need to comment out the line KDE3DIR="/usr/kde/3" in /etc/make.globals (this is mentioned in 3.1alpha1 announcment).

That way it'll install 3.1alpha1 along side 3.0.2 (in different dir) and you'll get different logins options in kdm for each of them.
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DArtagnan · Posted: Wed Jul 24, 2002 2:29 pm Post subject:

Pasoa2000 · n00b Joined: 06 Jul 2002 Posts: 29

What's everyone's opinion on kde 3.1? To be honest with you I've always thought that KDE is probably the best looking Desktop out there. I know there are a lot of Gnome fanatics - and I'll be honest, I've tried Gnome. I emerged Gnome 2.0 and played around with it, and honestly, it was ugly. The buttons were ugly, the fonts were ugly (I had anti alias on), and everything seemed like a mish mash of programs tacked together. KDE always seemed more uniform, which is what I think we should want from a desktop. Konqueror is by far the best browser ( at least for me, fonts are AWESOME, better than windows actually with Xft hack). And it's only getting better! And to anyone that says it's ugly, could you explain why? I mean go over to kde-look.org and take a look at some screenshots. And Keramik is finally an original, nice looking theme that's not a direct rip off from aqua, which seems to be a very common thing these days. Any KDE users and Gnome users wanna share their feelings?

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DArtagnan · Posted: Wed Jul 24, 2002 6:15 pm Post subject:

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Pasoa2000 · n00b Joined: 06 Jul 2002 Posts: 29

I think that may depend on when you emerged kde - from what I understand the original e-builds did not include the drop shadows (which are NOT in the alpha release from kde) - but the ebuild's now are patched with CVS code.

I'm glad people are agreeing with me - On slashdot and quite a few other sites, I keep on hearing how wonderfull gnome is and how great it looks and how ugly and sucky KDE is. And I've never understood why - I mean I've seen some great screenshots of gnome desktops, but I've never been able to figure out how to get mine to look as nice as those. And I've been using Linux since 1997 :-)

KDE on the other hand - My desktop right now looks fantasitc IMO - with some great icons from kde-look, a nice wallpaper, a small but functional launcher panel in the middle of the bottom, and the external taskbar on the top of the screen. all this with really great anti aliased fonts.

The Kontrol center rules - it's organized well and I can find anything I want to change about KDE within a 1/2 a minute or so. Not so w/ Gnome - 1-2 minutes if I even figure out how to do it at all.

Well enough ranting.

mksoft · l33t Joined: 28 May 2002 Posts: 844

anil_et · Tux's lil' helper Joined: 22 Jul 2002 Posts: 98

Hi,
Every one is talking about kde3.1a
Even I wanted to try it but can't find an ebuild
Can some one explain how to merge kde3.1a
Anil

mksoft · l33t Joined: 28 May 2002 Posts: 844

swat · Tux's lil' helper Joined: 21 Jul 2002 Posts: 144

Hmm - I've been tempted to try out kde3.1a - but i'm worried about it being unstable - Anyone got any feedback on it stability wise???

swat

mksoft · l33t Joined: 28 May 2002 Posts: 844

Pasoa2000 · n00b Joined: 06 Jul 2002 Posts: 29

Did you unmerge kde 3.0.2 first prior to merging kde3.1? Because as of yesterday I got kde-base/libs compiled and decided to give it a quick look. However while I I liked what I saw, I also noticed that some thing weres messed up - like in the introduction "wizard", when you choose your country each country is listed twice. Also, in my K menu, most applications are listed twice?

On top of that konqueror segfaults - so I was wondering if you've got a side by side or a single install?

mksoft · l33t Joined: 28 May 2002 Posts: 844

Have you removed KDE3_DIR from make.globals before emerging 3.1alpha ? If not such problems may arise.

As for the wizard showing up on startup, the ebuild sets the .kde as symlink to .kde3.1, and for me it copied everthing from .kde3. Maybe this process was messed up at your machine ?

By looking at startkde script you can see what I mean:

Spark · Tux's lil' helper Joined: 30 Jun 2002 Posts: 87

I will quickly step in to note that optics are completely a matter of preference. I loved KDE 2.2 with liquid for a while, until this got old. I don't like Keramik at all, it doesn't look very clean. I prefer the more "solid" appearance of Gtk widgets and Metacity is also nice, easy to theme.

The default appearance of Gtk 2 is IMO also much nicer than default KDE but I can understand that people more interested in eye candy will probably not like the Gtk 2 default look. And something as fancy as Liquid (transparent menus, drop shadow, etc) is indeed missing. Not everybody wants that though. Everyone else about KDE isn't visually stunning at all.

As for integrity, I disagree that my goal should be to have all apps look the same. Actually that was the thing that always pissed me about Windows. No joke.

I like though that I can have a desktop only on Gtk, that's the kind of integrity I'm looking for. With KDE I would try to use only KDE applications but that's a problem for me because most of my fav apps are Gtk anyway (Galeon, Evolution and Gimp are applications which I wouldn't know replacements for yet).

See... If you were annoyed by slashdot people talking bad about KDE, why do you the same now. That's not very logical. When I tried KDE 3.1 Alpha a few days ago, I wondered what people still like about it but I realised, that other people will ask theirself the same about Gnome.
And that is fine with me, KDE is a nice thing and if it works for you than this is great. It doesn't work for me though. And I will now continue my work on a new Metacity theme that will blow Keramik out of the water btw.

Martin · Posted: Thu Jul 25, 2002 11:52 pm Post subject:

The only real downside of KDE (IMO) is the Qt license. :cry:

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Erukian · Posted: Fri Jul 26, 2002 12:22 am Post subject:

Let's get straight to it. I use Gnome2. I love gnome. I think KDE has a windows/kiddy feel like some soft of hybrid of windows95 and OSX.

Gnome2 has a very flexible desktop. Nautilus 2.0.1 rules because it loads faster than the "my computer" in winxp and its entirely optional to run to in case you dont like GUI file browsers. Galeon rules because its lightweight and uses Mozilla's engine unlike konq so almost every page you visit is rendered correctly. I've seen too many pages messed up by konq to like it. The only thing it has going for itself is its speed. But its a Windows GUI copy. Just like you can browse the net, your network/hard drives in IE, Konq does the same thing. Gnome2 is very lightweight and (linux word here here) modular. It's considerably less bloated than Gnome1.4 and that's a good way to go instead of more and more bloated like KDE keeps getting.

The professional feel of Gnome gets to me though, and I like it. KDE feels like a cheap copy of Windows 95 with some stardock apps running. I'm not sorry for saying this but this is 100% from my perspective so its all a matter of opinion.

I don't want my linux desktop to feel like windows. Just because it feels like windows doesnt mean its a better setup and Gnome's sucks. It means their different from eachother and its a complete matter of preference. I didn't move to Linux because it was free, I moved because I wanted to get away from Windows in every way (except running some games in wine:)

What im trying to say is dont bash gnome or any other desktop that other people chose. Were not here to start a holy war between KDE/Gnome, this is a gentoo fourm.

reverius42 · Posted: Fri Jul 26, 2002 12:27 am Post subject: oh no! car analogy!

fmalabre · Guru Joined: 19 Jun 2002 Posts: 376 Location: Chicago

Qt license is GPL man, I don't see what's wrong with that.
People used the Qt license argument for a while, and it seems they didn't make as much noise when they did it GPL.

I think the diff between Gnome and KDE is more spiritual, it's more like C against C++. IMO.

mksoft · l33t Joined: 28 May 2002 Posts: 844

Oh man, here we go again

dreaded X is better than Y all over again...
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fmalabre · Guru Joined: 19 Jun 2002 Posts: 376 Location: Chicago

But I've never said which one I prefer...
Don't want to go in this kind of discussion...

By the way, I started a new project, and to avoid this kind of war between the environment, I wrote a library in pure c++, using only libxml2 as an external lib. Basicaly, it's my document.
And I wrote 2 clients, one based on QT, and another one for a terminal. Those are my views. Then, if ssomeone want it on Gnome, it just have to write the UI ;-)

I will post more when I will have put something in cvs, so far there is almost nothing to show...

mksoft · l33t Joined: 28 May 2002 Posts: 844