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notageek Tux's lil' helper


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Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2012 2:25 pm Post subject: I saw the Hobbit movie, today. |
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Beautifully shot.
Moments in the film are thrilling.
I wish it wasn't 3D. _________________ "Defeat is a state of mind. No one is ever defeated, until defeat has been accepted as a reality." -- Bruce Lee |
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John-Boy Guru


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Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2012 3:14 pm Post subject: |
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I'm just waiting for the wave of children & crowds (but mainly kids) to subside, start Jan should be sufficient.
Don't want 3D and I've heard that the frame rate @ 2D causes headaches in some. _________________ Like the Roman, I seem to see "the River Tiber foaming with much blood" |
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notageek Tux's lil' helper


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Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2012 3:23 pm Post subject: |
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My main reason to go watch this film was for its 48 fps. I wanted to see what difference it made. All I could make out was the scenes were spectacular but that could be due to imax (or whatever sophisticated equipment was used to shoot it).
3D has always given me headaches. This has the same problems as any other 3D movie. _________________ "Defeat is a state of mind. No one is ever defeated, until defeat has been accepted as a reality." -- Bruce Lee |
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Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2012 4:10 pm Post subject: |
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I'm afraid it will ruin my memories of the book, which I read for the first time when I was about eleven or so. _________________
patrix_neo wrote: | The human thought: I cannot win.
The ratbrain in me : I can only go forward and that's it. |
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Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2012 7:43 pm Post subject: |
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John-Boy wrote: | Don't want 3D and I've heard that the frame rate @ 2D causes headaches in some. | So 2D is only at 48fps? That sucks. _________________ I can saw a woman in two, but you won't want to look in the box when I'm through.
For my next trick, I'll need a volunteer. |
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Bones McCracker Veteran


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Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2012 7:56 pm Post subject: |
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notageek wrote: | My main reason to go watch this film was for its 48 fps. I wanted to see what difference it made. All I could make out was the scenes were spectacular but that could be due to imax (or whatever sophisticated equipment was used to shoot it).
3D has always given me headaches. This has the same problems as any other 3D movie. |
I think the most noticeable effect of increased frame rate should be less blur of things in rapid motion. So thinks like a swinging sword, a trotting horse's legs, a waterfall, or a flying arrow, should have looked more natural.
They should be shooting at 120 fps, because I think that's the frame rate that TV is going to standardize on (or at least, that's what's presently planned, for the UHDTV specification).
@notageek: had you read the book before, and if so, did the movie measure up? _________________
patrix_neo wrote: | The human thought: I cannot win.
The ratbrain in me : I can only go forward and that's it. |
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pjp Administrator


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Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2012 8:06 pm Post subject: |
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BoneKracker wrote: | I think the most noticeable effect of increased frame rate should be less blur of things in rapid motion. So thinks like a swinging sword, a trotting horse's legs, a waterfall, or a flying arrow, should have looked more natural. | Increased velocity seems to increase blur. My understanding of an increased frame rate was that it reduced and eliminated a lot of blur. Hmmm. _________________ I can saw a woman in two, but you won't want to look in the box when I'm through.
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Bones McCracker Veteran


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Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2012 8:12 pm Post subject: |
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pjp wrote: | BoneKracker wrote: | I think the most noticeable effect of increased frame rate should be less blur of things in rapid motion. So thinks like a swinging sword, a trotting horse's legs, a waterfall, or a flying arrow, should have looked more natural. | Increased velocity seems to increase blur. My understanding of an increased frame rate was that it reduced and eliminated a lot of blur. Hmmm. |
I can't understand what you're trying to say. I just said that increased frame rate reduces the apparent blur of high-velocity motion. Are you confused? Are you trying to reinforce what I said? Are you trying to disagree with what I said? _________________
patrix_neo wrote: | The human thought: I cannot win.
The ratbrain in me : I can only go forward and that's it. |
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Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2012 8:40 pm Post subject: |
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pjp wrote: | So 2D is only at 48fps? That sucks. |
No, it's 24fps, with interlaced frames to provide stereoscopy. Hence the blur, the frames are literally skipping left and right due to the different point of view of each frame. _________________
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Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2012 9:51 pm Post subject: |
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aidanjt wrote: | pjp wrote: | So 2D is only at 48fps? That sucks. |
No, it's 24fps, with interlaced frames to provide stereoscopy. Hence the blur, the frames are literally skipping left and right due to the different point of view of each frame. |
Yeah, but if it's 24 fps per eye, and you've got two eyes... _________________
patrix_neo wrote: | The human thought: I cannot win.
The ratbrain in me : I can only go forward and that's it. |
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John-Boy Guru


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Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2012 10:11 pm Post subject: |
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Heard it was default at 48 - apart from some cinema with older kit, where it's 24. _________________ Like the Roman, I seem to see "the River Tiber foaming with much blood" |
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pjp Administrator


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Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2012 10:16 pm Post subject: |
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aidanjt wrote: | pjp wrote: | So 2D is only at 48fps? That sucks. |
No, it's 24fps, with interlaced frames to provide stereoscopy. Hence the blur, the frames are literally skipping left and right due to the different point of view of each frame. | What does stereoscopy have to do with TWO (2)D? _________________ I can saw a woman in two, but you won't want to look in the box when I'm through.
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notageek Tux's lil' helper


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Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 2:30 am Post subject: |
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BoneKracker wrote: | I think the most noticeable effect of increased frame rate should be less blur of things in rapid motion. So thinks like a swinging sword, a trotting horse's legs, a waterfall, or a flying arrow, should have looked more natural.
They should be shooting at 120 fps, because I think that's the frame rate that TV is going to standardize on (or at least, that's what's presently planned, for the UHDTV specification).
@notageek: had you read the book before, and if so, did the movie measure up? | Yeah, the scenes in the movie were smooth.
No, I haven't read the books. _________________ "Defeat is a state of mind. No one is ever defeated, until defeat has been accepted as a reality." -- Bruce Lee |
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notageek Tux's lil' helper


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Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 2:31 am Post subject: |
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John-Boy wrote: | Heard it was default at 48 - apart from some cinema with older kit, where it's 24. | I don't think there's any. But I'd be curious to know. _________________ "Defeat is a state of mind. No one is ever defeated, until defeat has been accepted as a reality." -- Bruce Lee |
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John-Boy Guru


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Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 9:21 pm Post subject: |
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Braved the waves of school children and hmmm ....
I can see what some are saying with 2D and the newer frame rate, FX did look,
well FX and a bit plastic (the Eagles being one) - traditional 24 fps would have softened this a bit.
Also I wish Jackson * would scale back on things.
It was a good afternoon out, not brilliant mind - but there are two others
coming up.
* Now if he'd put everything into one picture and decided whether it
was going to be a film for children, or modified it for an older audience
(with less is more) we may have been talking. _________________ Like the Roman, I seem to see "the River Tiber foaming with much blood" |
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CaptainRabies n00b

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Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 9:38 pm Post subject: |
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I read the books when I was about 11, and I can tell you Gollum's cave got ripped straight out of my imagination. It was spot-on perfect.
Yeah, it's a little long. Jackson included some things I don't remember existing in the book (how Erebor came to be as it is, the brown wizard), but I don't feel their inclusion made the film suffer.
I saw it twice, both in 24fps 2D. I want nothing to do with headaches or nausea. _________________ Addendum to Murphy's Law: Everything has already gone wrong, you just don't know about it yet. |
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Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 10:00 pm Post subject: |
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Underwhelmed.
They should have trimmed the movie down a little and made it into 1 movie that touched on most of the bases rathet than inflating it into LotR. Wired's review said it best when they said it was like watching peter jackson make a revrrse turducken. |
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Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 10:20 pm Post subject: |
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the move itself was decent. if you're a fan of LOTR, I recommend it. however, don't see it in 3D... the 3D was pretty bad. |
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Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 11:09 pm Post subject: |
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I think I'll just read the book again.
Any good alien sex virus zombie movies coming out? _________________
patrix_neo wrote: | The human thought: I cannot win.
The ratbrain in me : I can only go forward and that's it. |
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Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 12:03 am Post subject: |
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BoneKracker wrote: | I think I'll just read the book again.
Any good alien sex virus zombie movies coming out? |
Thale? no aliens, virus or zombies tho. _________________ Study finds stunning lack of racial, gender, and economic diversity among middle-class white males
I identify as a dirty penismensch. |
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Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 12:08 am Post subject: |
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At what point in the story does the movie end? _________________ The further a society drifts from truth, the more it will hate those who speak it.
George Orwell
It just keeps getting better |
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Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 12:10 am Post subject: |
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Old School wrote: | At what point in the story does the movie end? |
which one? The Hobbit or Thale? _________________ Study finds stunning lack of racial, gender, and economic diversity among middle-class white males
I identify as a dirty penismensch. |
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Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 12:15 am Post subject: |
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I thought we were discussing Moby Dick. _________________ The further a society drifts from truth, the more it will hate those who speak it.
George Orwell
It just keeps getting better |
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Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 12:20 am Post subject: |
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Old School wrote: | I thought we were discussing Moby Dick. |
oh that one:
Almost everybody dies and one guy clings to a casket. _________________ Study finds stunning lack of racial, gender, and economic diversity among middle-class white males
I identify as a dirty penismensch. |
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notageek Tux's lil' helper


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Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 3:19 am Post subject: |
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BoneKracker wrote: | Any good alien sex virus zombie movies coming out? | Do watch "Cabin In The Woods." Came out in 2011. _________________ "Defeat is a state of mind. No one is ever defeated, until defeat has been accepted as a reality." -- Bruce Lee |
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