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PostPosted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 6:57 am    Post subject: Knives don't maim people; people maim people Reply with quote

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(CNN) - Twenty-two primary school children have been wounded in a knife attack in central China, the state-run news agency Xinhua reported Friday.

The attack took place Friday morning at the entrance to the Chenpeng Village Primary School in Henan province, Xinhua said, citing local authorities.

A local resident was also wounded in the attack, it said.

Police say they have detained a suspect, a 36-year-old village resident, the agency reported.

China was hit by a spate of knife and cleaver attacks on school children in 2010, some of them fatal.

A number of measures were introduced at the time, including increased security at schools across the country and a regulation requiring people to register with their national ID cards when buying large knives.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/14/world/asia/china-knife-attack/

They should also ban concealed and assault knives.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 7:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's half the story.

So, this kind of knife attack (on school children) was occurring more frequently at a particular location of China. The authorities figured this was a serial attacker, caught a person and executed him (with a judge's order).

Oh look I found a wiki too: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_attacks_in_China_(2010%E2%80%932011)
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 10:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 12:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting. Intentional homicide rate in Belgium is higher than Somalia, and Greenland is worse than Rwanda.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 2:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Interesting. Intentional homicide rate in Belgium is higher than Somalia, and Greenland is worse than Rwanda.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate


Hmmm. I am skeptical that Somalia is keeping accurate records. 1.5 is low.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 3:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

juniper wrote:
BoneKracker wrote:
Interesting. Intentional homicide rate in Belgium is higher than Somalia, and Greenland is worse than Rwanda.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate


Hmmm. I am skeptical that Somalia is keeping accurate records. 1.5 is low.


What is the epistemology of your scepticism? :)
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 5:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

juniper wrote:
BoneKracker wrote:
Interesting. Intentional homicide rate in Belgium is higher than Somalia, and Greenland is worse than Rwanda.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate


Hmmm. I am skeptical that Somalia is keeping accurate records. 1.5 is low.


no, it is correct. you see, neither women nor infidels count as humans...
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 5:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Where? In libertarian paradise?
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 5:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Interesting. Intentional homicide rate in Belgium is higher than Somalia, and Greenland is worse than Rwanda.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate


Germany 0.8 690 Euro

Belgium 1.7 180 Europe Western Europe

United States 4.2 12,996 Americas Northern America

of course we don't kill intentionally. It is just a sad thing that happens all the time visiting Paris or rounding up people for super-mega-fun-holiday-camp (also called 'Cluburlaub' see Robinson Club).
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 6:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Once again those "Gun Free Zone" signs doing their work. Honestly, if one or two teachers would start carrying, this would stop.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 6:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Once again those "Gun Free Zone" signs doing their work. Honestly, if one or two teachers would start carrying, this would stop.


no, it would be worse. instead of teachers snapping and throwing a keyring or just beat a pupil, they would shoot them.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 7:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Once again those "Gun Free Zone" signs doing their work. Honestly, if one or two teachers would start carrying, this would stop.


no, it would be worse. instead of teachers snapping and throwing a keyring or just beat a pupil, they would shoot them.


If they are that unstable, they shouldn't be teaching in the first place (yay for union thuggary).

You have three choices in a country where people are allowed to own guns:

1) Ban all guns (not realistic as many gun owners as we have, also makes room for a malignant dictator to take over, you should take appreciation for that point energyman)
2) Extremely limit and regulate the piss out of them (not very effective, just look at drug use in this country, regulations have done squat)
3) Make it easier for legal, sane-minded people to own guns and carry on all property (I personally would make a special exception for teachers with a carry permit, like a year-end bonus for carrying one)

Then incidents like this may not be prevented, but I guarantee 28 people wouldn't be dead, it would be more like 5 maybe 6.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 7:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

well, since pretty much all western european countries have very heavy gun regulations AND lower homicide rates than the USA I suspect all your points are just wrong.

The 'sane' alone is reason enough to dismiss all of it at once.

Besides where were your gun owners when the japanese americans had their rights stripped away and were sent into the camps? Busy helping.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 7:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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BoneKracker wrote:
Interesting. Intentional homicide rate in Belgium is higher than Somalia, and Greenland is worse than Rwanda.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate


Germany 0.8 690 Euro

Belgium 1.7 180 Europe Western Europe

United States 4.2 12,996 Americas Northern America

Yeah, you Europeans are right up there with China, Saudi Arabia, and the other leftist authoritarian collectivist paradises.

As to Paris, intentional homicides you commit in other people's countries go on their count, not yours.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 7:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

With guns, it would be >20 dead... like in Connecticut?
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 7:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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well, since pretty much all western european countries have very heavy gun regulations AND lower homicide rates than the USA I suspect all your points are just wrong.


As in banned? Yes, that would do the job, but again, we have too many guns now... it won't work.

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The 'sane' alone is reason enough to dismiss all of it at once.


Nice, so everyone's rights get effected by a few idiots, I see how that works. 9/11 hysteria much?

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Besides where were your gun owners when the japanese americans had their rights stripped away and were sent into the camps? Busy helping.


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 7:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bigun wrote:
energyman76b wrote:
well, since pretty much all western european countries have very heavy gun regulations AND lower homicide rates than the USA I suspect all your points are just wrong.


As in banned? Yes, that would do the job, but again, we have too many guns now... it won't work.

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The 'sane' alone is reason enough to dismiss all of it at once.


Nice, so everyone's right's get effected by a few idiots, I see how that works. 9/11 hysteria much?

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Besides where were your gun owners when the japanese americans had their rights stripped away and were sent into the camps? Busy helping.


Pot, Kettle, Black


and now you are weasling around. You gun proponents always bring the 'to protect freedom' argument - but history has already shown that that argument is bogus at best. They weren't there to protect the freedom of the japanese americans. They were not there to fight for the rights of the african americans in the 20, 30, 50, 60... or can you name some lynchings stopped by heroic gun owners? Protests protected by heroic gun owners against violent police forces?

For the rest - do I really have to explain to you the problem with 'every sane person should be allowed...' are you doing the daily sanity checks on all those gun carriers? And wouldn't that be a violation of their freedom?

Please think for a moment before you answer. Because you just looked like an idiot.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 7:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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As in banned? Yes, that would do the job, but again, we have too many guns now... it won't work.

It won't work right away, but trying to draw as many guns as possible out of circulation while restricting the purchase of new guns will help in the long run (always assuming that there won't be a significant influx of foreign smuggled weapons or illegal weapons production to satisfy the demand as soon as new restrictions kick in). Gauss's theorem.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 9:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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2) Extremely limit and regulate the piss out of them (not very effective, just look at drug use in this country, regulations have done squat)

Guns don't grow by themselves. Big advantage for regulating them.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 10:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BoneKracker wrote:
energyman76b wrote:
BoneKracker wrote:
Interesting. Intentional homicide rate in Belgium is higher than Somalia, and Greenland is worse than Rwanda.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate


Germany 0.8 690 Euro

Belgium 1.7 180 Europe Western Europe

United States 4.2 12,996 Americas Northern America

Yeah, you Europeans are right up there with China, Saudi Arabia, and the other leftist authoritarian collectivist paradises.

As to Paris, intentional homicides you commit in other people's countries go on their count, not yours.


china, saudi arabia, iran and the US have more in common.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2012 12:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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With guns, it would be >20 dead... like in Connecticut?

You must learn how to read tables and charts. Those numbers are per-something (like per 100,000 or something).
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2012 12:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Bigun wrote:
energyman76b wrote:
well, since pretty much all western european countries have very heavy gun regulations AND lower homicide rates than the USA I suspect all your points are just wrong.


As in banned? Yes, that would do the job, but again, we have too many guns now... it won't work.

energyman76b wrote:
The 'sane' alone is reason enough to dismiss all of it at once.


Nice, so everyone's right's get effected by a few idiots, I see how that works. 9/11 hysteria much?

energyman76b wrote:
Besides where were your gun owners when the japanese americans had their rights stripped away and were sent into the camps? Busy helping.


Pot, Kettle, Black


and now you are weasling around. You gun proponents always bring the 'to protect freedom' argument - but history has already shown that that argument is bogus at best. They weren't there to protect the freedom of the japanese americans. They were not there to fight for the rights of the african americans in the 20, 30, 50, 60... or can you name some lynchings stopped by heroic gun owners? Protests protected by heroic gun owners against violent police forces?

For the rest - do I really have to explain to you the problem with 'every sane person should be allowed...' are you doing the daily sanity checks on all those gun carriers? And wouldn't that be a violation of their freedom?

Please think for a moment before you answer. Because you just looked like an idiot.

You have no idea what you are talking about. The only person who just looked like an idiot is you. The U.S. Civil War was basically started by heroic white gun owners fighting for the rights of negro slaves. Here; read and learn. Alleviate some of that ignorance.

Also, no European has any right to speak of such things, given what you have done to the Jews, Slavs, Pagans, and others, over the years (and that's just on your home soil).
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2012 2:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My grandfather used to say that if you got right government, the gun can stay in closet. If not, it may be too late to go looking for one.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2012 2:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anything that requires a knife should also be banned, lest it tempt someone into thinking they should make one or try and obtain one.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2012 4:39 am    Post subject: Ban Knives! Reply with quote

Knife-wielding man injures 22 children in China

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A knife-wielding man slashed 22 children and an adult at an elementary school in central China on Friday, state media reported, the latest in a series of attacks on schoolchildren in the country.

The man attacked the children at the gate of a school in Chenpeng village in Henan province, the Xinhua news agency reported.

Police arrested a 36-year-old man, identified as villager Min Yingjun, Xinhua said. It did not give further details of the extent of the injuries.

There have been a series of attacks on schools and schoolchildren around China in recent years, some by people who have lost their jobs or felt left out of the country's economic boom.

The rash of violence has prompted public calls for more measures to protect the young in a country where many couples only have one child.

In 2010, a man slashed 28 children, two teachers and a security guard in a kindergarten in eastern China.

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