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PostPosted: Wed Jun 17, 2015 7:16 pm    Post subject: [Old School] Clever Baseball Reply with quote

Peru St. Bede pitcher Jarrett Olson pulls the old hidden ball trick against Rockford Christian in 2A state semifinals

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 17, 2015 9:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Third base coach should have been telling the runner to stay on the bag. Maybe he was and the runner didn't hear.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 17, 2015 9:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Third base coach should have been telling the runner to stay on the bag. Maybe he was and the runner didn't hear.


I thought they played the fake well as a team. That outfielder really helped pull it off.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 17, 2015 9:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Third base coach should have been telling the runner to stay on the bag. Maybe he was and the runner didn't hear.


I thought they played the fake well as a team. That outfielder really helped pull it off.

Yes he did.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 17, 2015 10:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So I looked and looked and... well, I don't know much baseball, and I couldn't quite figure out what happened. I expected there to be circles and arrows (and a paragraph on the back of each frame) in the replay but there wasn't.

Did the pitcher fake the throw and no ball left his hand?

And did any scoring change once the fake was called to attention?
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 17, 2015 10:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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So I looked and looked and... well, I don't know much baseball, and I couldn't quite figure out what happened. I expected there to be circles and arrows (and a paragraph on the back of each frame) in the replay but there wasn't.


The pitcher faked that he threw the ball towards the 2nd baseman, who faked missing it, and an outfielder pretended to be diving for it... all tricking the runner while the pitcher had the ball in his hand.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 17, 2015 10:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Akkara wrote:
So I looked and looked and... well, I don't know much baseball, and I couldn't quite figure out what happened. I expected there to be circles and arrows (and a paragraph on the back of each frame) in the replay but there wasn't.

Did the pitcher fake the throw and no ball left his hand?

And did any scoring change once the fake was called to attention?

That's correct. The other guys helped fool the runner into thinking the ball had been over-thrown into the outfield, causing the runner to pause while he tried to figure out whether he might be able to make a run for third base. In the mean time, the pitcher sneaked up behind him and tagged him. This was well-rehearsed.

This is the more common, simple variation:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5wGxsxjmy0
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2015 10:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting. Thanks!

At first I was wondering "wheres the batter?", not knowing the pitcher can throw elsewhere, too. So it's within the rules to do that? And the people on base has to always keep a foot on the stone unless they are very sure of where the ball is? I didn't know the runners had to be constantly vigilant even during what appeared to be down-time waiting for the batter to swing at a pitch.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2015 3:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is people that do not understand or know about baseball that call it boring. There are a multitude of things going on even when, to the unskilled observer, it appears as if there is no action.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2015 3:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2015 5:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know you are, but what am I?
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2015 5:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, you.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2015 6:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nuh uh.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2015 8:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Akkara wrote:
Interesting. Thanks!

At first I was wondering "wheres the batter?", not knowing the pitcher can throw elsewhere, too. So it's within the rules to do that? And the people on base has to always keep a foot on the stone unless they are very sure of where the ball is? I didn't know the runners had to be constantly vigilant even during what appeared to be down-time waiting for the batter to swing at a pitch.

That's correct, except we refer to it as a "base" rather than a stone (informally, we call the object itself a "bag" because it's made to be a bit soft so that people don't get killed). The exception is home base, which is a hard rubber "plate", designed not to interfere with the pitching and batting.

The pitcher tries to keep the runners from getting too much of a head start, by occasionally trying to throw them out at the base they are on.

But, because the runner won't actually start to steal until the pitcher starts his pitch, it's really the catcher to who has to throw the runner out if the runner attempts to steal:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgz5-XToJIw

So, the catcher really needs to be able to throw the ball hard and with great accuracy, at a distance roughly twice what the pitcher has to throw.

But Old School is still wrong; It's still boring as hell.

This is a fair example of what a baseball game is actually like.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2015 8:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't listen to boney. He's just an anti-american pinko-commie soccer job.

There is more strategy and athleticism on a baseball diamond than any :yawn: soccer field, or whatever weird name is given to where they :yawn: kick the ball back and forth for a fucking eternity.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2015 11:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It is people that do not understand or know about baseball that call it boring. There are a multitude of things going on even when, to the unskilled observer, it appears as if there is no action.
It's extremely boring. It literally seems like an event designed for accountant types.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2015 11:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It is people that do not understand or know about baseball that call it boring. There are a multitude of things going on even when, to the unskilled observer, it appears as if there is no action.
I agree, there are hidden depths to paint drying. Whether a drip will be formed or the intricate patterns that are formed by the non uniform application of the suspension
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It is people that do not understand or know about baseball that call it boring. There are a multitude of things going on even when, to the unskilled observer, it appears as if there is no action.
I agree, there are hidden depths to paint drying. Whether a drip will be formed or the intricate patterns that are formed by the non uniform application of the suspension

Limited games -- ones that are so highly structured that only very limited possibilities exist (such as a man running directly from point a to point b before the ball gets there, rather than having nearly infinite possibilities) -- can be very strategic in nature. Just look at Tic-Tac-Toe.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 19, 2015 4:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

pjp wrote:
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It is people that do not understand or know about baseball that call it boring. There are a multitude of things going on even when, to the unskilled observer, it appears as if there is no action.
It's extremely boring. It literally seems like an event designed for accountant types.

Reread what you quoted me. :wink:
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It is people that do not understand or know about baseball that call it boring. There are a multitude of things going on even when, to the unskilled observer, it appears as if there is no action.
It's extremely boring. It literally seems like an event designed for accountant types.
It was a lazy attempt to copy the boring game of Cricket. What did you expect?
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Actually, they are both variations of croquet, which, like golf and soccer, is a variation of the ancient form of hockey, which was a way for children to play at hunting and fighting back when men hunted and fought with clubs.
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Lolno.
Ever heard of rounders? The scoring is pretty much the only different between baseball and rounders
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 19, 2015 6:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Lolno.
Ever heard of rounders? The scoring is pretty much the only different between baseball and rounders

Yeah, that's one of many intermediate forms. But all sports go back eventually to cavemen training and testing their skill at killing food or each other.
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Like everything else, we Americans took something mediocre, and through American Exceptionalism, made it great.
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