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PostPosted: Mon Feb 05, 2018 1:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It turned out that there are two versions of this package. I've masked version 5 so only version 1 gets installed. Version 1 has the command with the correct output format needed by Gentoo Studio. Version 5 got picked up by the latest installation before I caught it.

-> https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-8147496.html#8147496
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2018 5:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

February 2018 Changelog: https://gentoostudio.org/?p=385
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2018 11:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Poll: VLC or Audacious as the default audio player for Gentoo Studio, and why?

I personally like Audacious for this. It's smaller (installed size, screen real estate and resource usage) and has a nifty interface. It's been VLC so far because of its great functionality and familiarity.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2018 3:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

audiodef wrote:
Poll: VLC or Audacious as the default audio player for Gentoo Studio, and why?

I personally like Audacious for this. It's smaller (installed size, screen real estate and resource usage) and has a nifty interface. It's been VLC so far because of its great functionality and familiarity.

Please quote this post when replying so I can track it.
I prefer audacious for audio, and use mpv for video. I only have VLC installed in case I ever need to play a dvd or bd directly.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2018 3:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for your input. :)
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2018 6:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I prefer audacious for audio, and vlc for video, although sometimes I also play audio with vlc.

I just wanted to say that I actually installed Gentoo Studio over the weekend, and it's quite nice. I'm a Gentoo newb, having two previous failed installation attempts, and one successful. So it was nice to get a working Gentoo system up relatively quickly, although I don't do audio production. I changed some USE flags, updated, compiled Firefox, swapped out lightdm in favor of slim, and emerged some software that I use regularly. So far so good!

I'll try to give more feedback as I go along.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 4:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glad you like it, and I appreciate the feedback. :)
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 18, 2018 9:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was just thinking I'd like to solicit package requests for the install tarball so Gentoo Studio can have a default setup that's as useful as possible, according to user feedback.

At the same time, I don't want an ever-growing install tarball - and neither do you! - so along with your package.add request, please make a package.notusefultome (not useful to me) request.

This way, over time, I can adjust the default installation for usefulness while keeping the size to about 2 GB or less.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 01, 2018 5:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

March 2018 Update: https://gentoostudio.org/?p=407
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2018 2:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Without going full Gentoo Studio are there packages and config changes you would recommend for playing with sound?
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2018 12:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Proinsias,

If you just want to listen to music and maybe use your computer's built-in sound card to record what comes through your computer's built-in or plugged in microphone, perhaps with Audacity or something similar, using a basic ALSA configuration should be all you need. Make sure "alsa" is in your global use flags in make.conf. If it wasn't already, then add it and do
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emerge -uDN world


It's also helpful to make sure your user is in the audio and plugdev groups. (If the plugdev group exists.)

Some basic software for listening includes audacious, VLC and mplayer/smplayer. As mentioned above, Audacity is a good program to start playing with basic recording. It supports plugins and has some nice features.

Note that if you use audacious and want to listen to streaming stations, you need to compile audacious-plugins with the "http" use flag. Unless you have a reason for doing so, I recommend that you use package.use to set this flag for audacious-plugins instead of make.conf, as this use flag affects a good number of packages.

If you get stuck on getting your sound card working, please post to the Multimedia section to make sure you get help faster, as this is a specialized topic.

FYI, at this point Gentoo Studio is still little more than stage4-packaged Gentoo with rt-sources and a selection of pre-installed audio software.

Let me know if this answers your question.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2018 9:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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IFYI, at this point Gentoo Studio is still little more than stage4-packaged Gentoo with rt-sources and a selection of pre-installed audio software.

Good to know. I've looked over the package lists on your site, at the github overlay, the gentoo-audio overlay and have gotten some ideas.

I'm using just the built in card on my Gigabyte Z80 HD3. I'm pretty happy with alsa for playback. Mpd/mpc/ncmpcpp/mpv covers my playback needs well. Mpv+ffmpeg with some scripts is pretty nice for quickly trimming/encoding/cropping audio and video. I've been using Cantata for encoding to external devices.

I've emerged audacity & hydrogen from the main unstable tree and they seem nice after a little tinkering. Ardour is compiling at the moment but I think I may need to emerge and set up JACK for that.

Are the rt-sources of much benefit if I am working with tracks/rips/samples etc that have already been digitized? I gather they are useful for recording from external mics or devices but not sure if they have much impact beyond that. or for playback.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2018 10:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Proinsias,

If you are just mixing and editing, rt-sources isn't useful to you, as latency is not a concern. Latency is/can be compensated for during recording, and Ardour does this easily. During mixing and editing without recording, latency isn't a concern.

If you need accurate timing, such as for live MIDI, live audio sampling/looping/playback, then yes, you would need the extra benefits of the real-time patch set.

Either way, in your kernel it is still helpful to select a high-precision timer such as HPET, the highest available clock speed (I think it's 1000 Hz) and to set the preemption model to low-latency. Even if you don't need all this, it doesn't hurt to set them just in case you do.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2018 12:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glad to hear.

I've always turned up the clock speed to 11, think it was the first switch I ever flipped in the linux kernel. I will check out the other settings.

Thanks again
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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2018 1:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It looks like we are once again back to a hard NO with nvidia-drivers compatibility. I was unable to make rt-sources 4.16 work with nvidia-drivers, although 4.14 is working on my end.

I am seeing for Optimus, though, that as long as you have preempt-full, it does not really matter if you have opengl set to nvidia or xorg-x11. I am currently running an Optimus laptop with rt-sources-4.9 and nvidia-drivers-381. No 3D, can't run glxgears, but am running jack daemon at 48k, 128 samples, 3 periods, 2.7 ms latency, using Firefox here with zero xruns. (I have found running Firefox with jack support a good dirty test for preemption handling. If my system doesn't bat an eyelash while Firefox is starting/running/quitting, I'm golden.)
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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2018 4:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Which version are you using? Apparently version 396.18 works with 4.16, but I'm still on 4.14, so I haven't tried it yet.
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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2018 4:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's 396 I can't get working with rt 4.16. Even with 4.14, I was using normal preemption instead of full preemption, which does let an occasional x-run in.

Edited my post above. I can get full preemption with some downgrades.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2018 5:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

May 2018 Changelog: https://gentoostudio.org/?p=485
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2018 1:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

after upgrading gcc to 7.3.0
emerge -e @system fails because unable to emerge libffado 2.4.0
any clue ??
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2018 3:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ifys wrote:
after upgrading gcc to 7.3.0
emerge -e @system fails because unable to emerge libffado 2.4.0
any clue ??
Based on the information provided, libffado is incompatible with something in your environment. If you follow the instructions that Portage should have printed after the failure, we may be able to help you identify and resolve that incompatibility.

Is your problem actually specific to Gentoo Studio? I doubt audiodef did anything that would break this package. More likely, the breakage is present in the main tree and he inherited it.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2018 3:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Could be related to what audiodef is trying to resolve in How do I find a dependency's dependency?
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2018 11:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

pjp wrote:
Could be related to what audiodef is trying to resolve in How do I find a dependency's dependency?


well i think it s python realted
because i find a way to install it by adding to make.conf
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PYTHON_TARGETS="python2_7 python3_5 python3_6"
PYTHON_SINGLE_TARGET="python2_7"

but then i can instal anymore packages
i have quote( #) the 2 lines in make.conf to set things straght
but it s not the way it s supposed to be but i least i do have SOUND !!!
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2018 12:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just noticed the gcc 7 update on one of my Gentoo Studio machines and didn't notice anything amiss.

The dependency's dependencies thing is related to updating the install tarball via catalyst.

The python targets need to be adjusted over time as things change. If I notice it needs changing from my own use or from user feedback, I incorporate it into the install tarball. I'll keep an eye on that.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2018 1:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

audiodef wrote:
The python targets need to be adjusted over time as things change.
Since I'm FYIing... Python 3.6 has been reverted.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2018 1:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah, thanks, pjp.
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