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PostPosted: Sun Feb 26, 2017 6:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Note: IRC questions. It is highly likely I WILL see your question in chat, but please be patient. If I don't answer right away, I'm AFK. Or eating. Or possibly, sleeping. I do that, sometimes. 8)
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 25, 2017 8:59 pm    Post subject: DE/WM suggestions, missing website files for manual install Reply with quote

audiodef wrote:
I know people have mentioned other WMs and DEs they're interested in seeing packaged into a Gentoo Studio tarball. I'm going to try to find those references, but in the meantime, other than Xfce4, what would you prefer as a default Gentoo Studio WM/DE?


This RAM comparison is old, but how about JWM, i3, and Openbox in that order of priority?

Unrelated, but I added a bug report to Mantis - manual install says we need http://gentoostudio.org/keywordfiles/ which is 404.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 25, 2017 10:43 pm    Post subject: audiodef Reply with quote

Thanks! I think the manual install is going away once I get the stage 4 restored, though.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 26, 2017 2:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Until then, the manual install isn't ready either.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 12, 2017 8:44 pm    Post subject: Proaudio is noaudio Reply with quote

The proaudio overlay has seriously been letting me down lately. Just now, the SRC_URI for jack-audio-connection-kit-1.9.10 failed.

Nevermind the python ebuild errors. Not even a valid SRC_URI for JACK, which is fundamental to Gentoo Studio... we're done.

So one of the official goals of Gentoo Studio is to create an overlay for professional audio applications. And by that I mean I hope to eventually get it hosted and listed as an official overlay, surpassing if not replacing the proaudio overlay as the go-to for serious audio work on Gentoo, whether or not the user installed a Gentoo Studio tarball. (Actually, that's not really my goal, but rather a nice side benefit. I'm planning on doing the same work either way, so why not let everyone benefit?)

I'm just one guy with a lot on his plate, so this is going to take time. (After all, I have to get the stage 4 tarball back up, and I only have one day a week reserved for anything Gentoo Studio-related.) So if anyone wants to help with anything, that would be FREAKING AWESOME.

If interested, let me know and I will figure out what I can parcel out. Probably most of this would initially be fixing ebuilds from the proaudio overlay for inclusion in a Gentoo Studio overlay.

Note: Probably start by going through the proaudio overlay, cp'ing things to my Gentoo Studio local overlay in my development VM, fixing things up, and outright discarding other things.

Anothernote: I'm not competing - please don't take it that way. I just want stuff to work and I'm willing to work to get it working. :-)
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 12, 2017 9:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't help, but what you're doing is seriously needed in the Linux world. Jack, maybe not so much. It's pretty limited when it comes to wanting professional audio quality.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 12, 2017 9:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can try to help where possible depending on what kind of work is needed. Let me know. I want audio on gentoo to keep moving forward :)
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 12, 2017 11:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks, guys, that's terrific!

For the moment, it would be super-helpful to go through the packages in the proaudio overlay and fix the python errors that litter your screen when you run updates. I can work on putting together a list of packages in need of repair, but until I get that done, anything helps. Your favorite package, something you think should be maintained, etc. If you do anything along those lines and get working ebuilds from broken ones, post them to bugs.gentoostudio.org. (Watch out for typoing bugs.gentoo.org, which happened to me a few times when I first set up Mantis.) There's already an "Ebuilds" category you can use. Don't worry too much about setting any other fields. And please let me know who I should give credit to.

Those errors are along the lines of "Called inherit 'eutils' 'python'" followed by "eclass could not be found by inherit()." Talk about a bomb coming down the pipe!
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 13, 2017 3:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Uh, I might have been hasty... but not by a whole lot.

It seems that the JACK maintainer actually moved or removed the SRC_URI. I'm going to go track this down.

EDIT:

Fixed, will be in stage 4 tarball. Portage's jack2 has all the correct info, but no support for ieee1394, which is still in use and should still be supported, so GS's ebuild will be a modified version of the proaudio ebuild, with ieee1394 support. The JACK maintainer stopped using dropbox, which caused the proaudio version to fail.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 13, 2017 4:13 pm    Post subject: Re: Proaudio is noaudio Reply with quote

audiodef wrote:
The proaudio overlay has seriously been letting me down lately. Just now, the SRC_URI for jack-audio-connection-kit-1.9.10 failed.

Nevermind the python ebuild errors. Not even a valid SRC_URI for JACK, which is fundamental to Gentoo Studio... we're done.

So one of the official goals of Gentoo Studio is to create an overlay for professional audio applications. And by that I mean I hope to eventually get it hosted and listed as an official overlay, surpassing if not replacing the proaudio overlay as the go-to for serious audio work on Gentoo, whether or not the user installed a Gentoo Studio tarball. (Actually, that's not really my goal, but rather a nice side benefit. I'm planning on doing the same work either way, so why not let everyone benefit?)

Why not just do that in proaudio?
They clearly could do with the help, and that way everyone benefits with less work on your part.
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I'm just one guy with a lot on his plate, so this is going to take time. (After all, I have to get the stage 4 tarball back up, and I only have one day a week reserved for anything Gentoo Studio-related.) So if anyone wants to help with anything, that would be FREAKING AWESOME.

If interested, let me know and I will figure out what I can parcel out. Probably most of this would initially be fixing ebuilds from the proaudio overlay for inclusion in a Gentoo Studio overlay.

Note: Probably start by going through the proaudio overlay, cp'ing things to my Gentoo Studio local overlay in my development VM, fixing things up, and outright discarding other things.
All of which sounds a lot like "cleaning up the proaudio overlay".
I can understand wanting only specific ebuilds in, so better quality of the set overall. Just seems that would be better done at pro-audio level, because users don't want crap there either.
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Anothernote: I'm not competing - please don't take it that way. I just want stuff to work and I'm willing to work to get it working. :-)
Which again begs the question, so why not work with proaudio, and do much less work yourself, overall?
A leaner, cleaner proaudio overlay would be in everyone's interest.

I suppose starting afresh can't hurt, but then we should be clear that "the go-to [overlay] for serious audio work on Gentoo" is exactly the spec of proaudio, and we are trying to reboot it.
Still not sure that's wise, mind; you then have to reinvent all the setup, like mailing-lists, when it's already in place, and people already collaborate there.

The housekeeping and administration side usually takes more effort than people think, is incredibly boring for most of us, and also absolutely essential.
Personally I wouldn't bother to reinvent it all; you are perfectly placed to be a big fish in proaudio, as it is. (You can write ebuilds.. ;-)
IMO they'd be mighty glad of the effort (provided it's done politely, which you are.)
In exchange you don't have to worry about stuff like keeping mailing-lists running, and friendly.

*shrug* Never underestimate the power of knowing for sure, that it is Somebody Else's Problem.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 5:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Today: working on moving the stage 4 first test along. Need to update some things for GCC5, including the Ardour/Mixbus demos. Updating to latest rt-sources and installing a few more packages. Hopefully I can at least create a stage 4 tarball, and then next week I can devote to testing for the best install procedure. (Long-term, I'd like to create an install DVD, but that won't happen for the next stage 4 release.)

EDIT:

Updated rt-sources, fixed the JACK ebuild (it wasn't building jackd in addition to jackdbus), got some other things cleaned up. Am ready to build a release tarball, but now I'm looking into better options than making a stage4. That's my task for next week/next time. (I set aside one full day a week for this, but if that day comes up as a migraine day, FML...)
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