compiz hardmasked

bornmw · n00b Joined: 13 Apr 2009 Posts: 46

Hi

Today I've sync'ed my portage and now it wants to delete my compiz.
Is there any news explaining this move? I had no luck finding any
Moving it to the overlay automatically makes compiz Experimental, doesn't it?

Thanks

avx · Advocate Joined: 21 Jun 2004 Posts: 2152

It's hard-masked and will be removed from portage in ~30days, if no one steps up to maintain it. It's got a lot of bugs, isn't really maintained upstream, etc. Gentoo isn't the only distro doing this, Fedora and SUSE are on the same way.

Have a search on the bugtracker for more info.
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bornmw · n00b Joined: 13 Apr 2009 Posts: 46

That's ok, but is there something that is going to replace compiz?
Or will Fedora and SUSE be left with no desktop effects?

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The combination of "Everyone else does it", "Couldn't care less" and "no replacement" seems to be the death sentence for every package in the portage tree. I reckon the day is near when everyone is forced to use gnome 3, because the socalled devs don't like all the other desktop environments.
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Well put, avx.

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dirkfanick · Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 6:37 pm Post subject:

May there should be an overlay for compiz?

Fitzcarraldo · Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 8:31 am Post subject:

The stuff overlay has the Compiz 0.8.8 ebuilds patched to also work with KDE4 Window Decorator in KDE 4.8.0 for those who want to build with USE="kde". The stuff overlay ebuilds work in KDE 4.8.0 in my ~amd64 installation, although Oxygen in KDE4 Window Decorator does not work very well in Compiz (but then that is a known limitation: Plastik seems to be the only KDE theme that works well with Compiz). And for those people who just want to move to a local overlay the ebuilds currently masked for removal in the main tree (mainly 0.8.4), I've listed all the commands in Moving Compiz to a local overlay in Gentoo.
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dirkfanick · Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 2:48 pm Post subject:

Is compiz/beryl really that unstable?

I like it very much to see an true opengl-desktop as it is state of the art regarding desktop-techniques. As "bleeding-edge"-system gentoo should offer it, I believe.

Why not let it in portage as USE-flag-option until another opengl-decorator appears?

avx · Advocate Joined: 21 Jun 2004 Posts: 2152

Because people expect - correctly - that everything in the official portage tree is supported by Gentoo developers. That is in fact the case, but since there is no one wanting to support it or even can do it, since it is heavily broken, still having it in portage means people will open bugs and threads complaining, which just needs more support time, which is stolen from things more important.

This is by far no trivial application, and it's sheer luck that it's still somewhat running. All those people trying to keep it and thus expect more work from already overloaded devs should just step your game up. Provide patches (to upstream) or pay someone to do it, really, if everyone interested would spend a few bucks, that would go a long way, but so far, I've only heard/read people complaining and doing next to nothing.

Again, it's sad, but you don't seem to know what work is (to be) involved here, so please, I think the devs are knowing way better than most of us and are doing the right thing.
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dirkfanick · Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 6:20 pm Post subject:

Gnome worked fine for me with compiz.

Will they have their own 3d-decorator?

Gregoire · Apprentice Joined: 15 Apr 2006 Posts: 292

In a sense I should really thank the removal of compiz : I have tried lots of different WM, and I found that some are really better for me than compiz :-)

The ones I really liked most are, dwmii, dwm, xmonad and openbox, all in complement with xcompmgr.

I am now under openbox which is really easy to configure and I can put a movie as background witch was my first reason to use compiz, and removing all decoration was so easy with openbox : a really good one.

Thanks for all works in every gentoo topics to all, have a nice day !

katfish · Tux's lil' helper Joined: 14 Nov 2011 Posts: 147

I tried to get compiz running on gnome2 and its gtk window decrator but had no luck with the portage version of compiz.

Anyone here who runs a similar setup with the new ebuilds ? http://fitzcarraldoblog.wordpress.com/2012/01/28/moving-compiz-to-a-local-overlay-in-gentoo/

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keenblade, UIs are nothing which can be done standalone. At the very least, you've always got to have a look at core libraries, i.e. xlib/xcb and stuff, if 3D stuff is involved, one needs to be on the lookout for drivers, etc. Except for very basic compositors, like xcompmgr, development imho can't be a standalone generic one, if you want seamless integration - that's why KDE pimped kwin, etc.

As for "human nature", I'm inhuman then? Most people I know, including me, care to get their job done, even if job only means reading a news site or shopping on the web. Looks aren't that important, here. Ever had a look in a somewhat bigger company or governmental sites, people are still working on things like Win2000 there and are generally afraid of something new - think of the outcry related to MSs ribbon-UI. Sure, looks can add to the experience, i.e. in media centers, but wobbly windows won't help you get your calculations done.

Apple doesn't overuse fancy animations and stuff, still there stuff is selling like there's no tomorrow and imho that is part of the reason. It's simple and just works for most people. We on the other hand had perfectly good software, but ruined it, because we thought there are ways to make it better. Prime example amaroK, imho for a long time the best player on the market, only imho competing with foobar2k, but now it's utter shit and the solution was to fork 1.4 and turn it into clementine.

The average person doesn't shop for hardware based on what's build in, they go to some kind of super market and pick what fits best with their interior at home. Only then, they may have a look at Linux and see it's not working, but they don't care for the reason or who is to blame.

As long as the basic UI is somewhat appealing and not looking worse than WinXP - if that is even possible - and which I think it is in all the big DEs, then it's time to show off what our apps can do.
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