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Gentoo on Alienware M17x/M15x, anyone?

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Post by evenfall » Mon Jun 21, 2010 8:10 pm

Hello!

My old laptop keeled over and dropped dead, so I'm in need of a new one. I don't have a desktop pc, I would rather just have a little more powerfull laptop. So I've been looking at the Alienware laptops M17x and M15x. I found some old threads about the m15x/m17x series, but does anyone have any experience on these newer Alienware laptop models? Is it possible to install Gentoo on them, or is it mission impossible? ( At least to a n00b like me. :oops: )

If Gentoo on Alienware is doomed, any suggestions on other laptop brands that work well with Gentoo? My main needs for the laptop would be graphics designing and 3D-modelling/animating. ( I hope you won't shoot me down in flames for wanting a laptop instead of a desktop pc for such needs. :oops: )

Thankfully yours in advance,

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Post by d2_racing » Tue Jun 22, 2010 1:14 am

Did you check the Thinkpad T series ?

I see that you need a good graphical card, and yes a gaming card is the right choice for you.
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Post by evenfall » Wed Jun 23, 2010 12:26 am

d2_racing wrote:Did you check the Thinkpad T series ?

I see that you need a good graphical card, and yes a gaming card is the right choice for you.
I did check the Thinkpad T series, but somehow it doesn't do it for me. I don't know, maybe I have my hopes a bit too high on the laptop ingredients. :) I guess it should be some kind of a compromise between affordability, powerful processor & GPU + lots of memory + a nice screen, and compatibility with Gentoo with n00b skills. :) Is it realistically even possible? :? I guess this is the dilemma you run into when wanting to have a laptop for your only pc, but needing it to have some power to do more than surfing the net.

But in any case, I haven't yet given up on the Alienware M17x/M15x, the 'pick your wanted ingredients' philosophy is somewhat tempting ( even though the prices are blowing the hair out of my head... ). But being the n00b that I still am with Gentoo, I would really love to hear if anyone has any experience on installing and running Gentoo on an Alienware M17x or M15x laptop? Because I would really love to get back to using Gentoo instead of Windows.

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Post by d2_racing » Wed Jun 23, 2010 12:43 am

Maybe you could search the web if some Ubuntu users were able to get the job done. If so, then you will be able to run Gentoo on it for sure.
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Re: Gentoo on Alienware M17x/M15x, anyone?

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Post by cach0rr0 » Wed Jun 23, 2010 5:46 am

evenfall wrote: But in any case, I haven't yet given up on the Alienware M17x/M15x, the 'pick your wanted ingredients' philosophy is somewhat tempting ( even though the prices are blowing the hair out of my head... ). But being the n00b that I still am with Gentoo, I would really love to hear if anyone has any experience on installing and running Gentoo on an Alienware M17x or M15x laptop? Because I would really love to get back to using Gentoo instead of Windows.
just to clarify one potential point of confusion, when picking out hardware it's never really a question of if a distro supports it, but rather a question of how well the kernel and/or any external drivers support it.

with gentoo you pretty much have the option of using any set of kernel sources out there, so to that end it will be as well supported on gentoo as it will elsewhere - however as things go with gentoo, the configuration is all done by a human, so elbow grease will be required. In the case of broadcom wifi, for example, it's a royal PITA to get it working manually; other distros may well automate this, and make a few executive decisions for you where gentoo does not. Such is the life of gentooing.

Here is the hardware and set of drivers you would be using on the M17x - http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/DELL/M17x

Don't see the M15x on there unless it's under another name.

(most people only use that page for pasting in lspci -n output, and don't notice they have an actual list of hardware!)


Having said that, not that it matters but...I would "+1" snagging a Thinkpad T series or W series. You can customize them to your heart's content, from a core2 up to a quad-core i7, little as 2GB memory up to 16GB, 5400RPM drive to 7200RPM to SSD. Best most sturdy laptops on the market IMHO. They're ugly, but they're powerful, and they last.
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Post by d2_racing » Wed Jun 23, 2010 11:29 am

The only thing that I can think of, is if you get a broadcom wifi card, you can have a lot of fun to make that card working on linux.
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Post by okiura » Sat Jun 26, 2010 11:54 am

Hi,

I Have a M17x-R2 running Gentoo almost perfectly (still ironing out a few bugs).
My Hardware in brief: Intel i7, ATI 4850 x2 (SLI, or X-fire as ATI call it), 2HDD's (Set to Raid-0) DELL mini BT and the Broadcom STA.

First off i'll mention the few bugs i have yet to fix.

1. Bluetooth is a bit flakey, for some reason somtimes it's on others it's not although i's seen by the system and mapped to hci0 bu the MAC addr is all 0's, sure this isn't to hard to fix, is prob somthig to do with activating/de-activating in windows, or somthing like that.

2. The Graphics chips run warm with both the fglrx driver and the kernel radeon driver (i'm using the kernel one for kms, it's better the the fglrx IMO). the problem with these running warm is the noise from the fans, i'm not saying there on full speed but when there not under any load i don't think they clock down as low as in windows, although i do have hopes for 2.6.35-rc4 the pm on the radeon have been reworked im using 2.6.35-rc3 (with linux next patches) and there is noticeable improvement.

3. Battery Levels are normally incorrect depending on weather the batt is enabled or not (and this can't be done in linux as far as i know still looking into it)

4. No Stelth mode means both Graphic cards are always on

5. Lastly and most annoying is the Braodcom Driver for linux is really really really poor. it suffers from a fair few issues. I will cover that in a min.

Although i just mentioned i'm using 2.6.35-rc3 so far the only advantage over the one from the the emerge branch that i can see it the better clock speeds on the radeon driver and a big disadvantage is lots off patching needs to be done where as the gentoo kernel has this patches already.

My Software in Brief: Windows 7 & Gentoo emerged with the ~amd64 on a ext4 filesystem

My biggest issue by far was the raid set up took me almost a week to work out that when windows 7 installs it creates 2 partitions one to boot it and one for the OS, the problem here is it feels the need to overlap the partitions by 1 sector resulting in a corrupt partition table, this makes installing grub a real nightmare (btw this isn't limited to gentoo i tried a few distros and all but unbntu 10.04 suffered from this issue). And to make matters worse windows 7 will not boot if it is not partitioned in this way, my fix for this was to split the drives into 2 raid drives (WARNING this till distroy ALL data on the drives) the other options will be to boot from a external pendrive or try and get grub to reconize the partition table.

The install process was easy enough from the live CD following the instructions on the Gentoo wiki when you boot from the Live CD use "gentoo dodmraid" this will allow you to access the raid disk and not just detect the 2 HDD's. also rember to emerge dmraid

Partitions:
512MB /boot
the rest EXT3/EXT4 your choice

Kernel config:

make sure you compile into your kernel
Raid-1/0
Device-mapper
Ext2/Ext3/Ext4
if you wanna use kms de-select all fb devices, and compile radeon with kms, fb console and fb decorator in as well

as for modules you'll also need to select
one of the intel wireless drivers (this selects CONFIG_WIRELESS_EXT need to buld the Broadcom module later)
coretemp (for temperature sensors)

Any other modules select as needed

Grub:
Install as per the instructions found here http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/RAID/NVRAID_with_dmraid then "Easy Solution (using genkernel)" and follow the steps for the custom kernel bit. as a side note I tried both grub and grub2 and my advice is stick with legacy grub.

Sound:
add "option snd-hda-intel model=alienware" (this uses the fix in alsa for the 3 hp jacks) to "/etc/modprobe.d/alsa.conf"
"update-modules"

Kernel Command line:
Replace all "X's" as needed"
"Root (hdX,X)
"kernel=/boot/kernel-2.6.XX-gentoo-rcX root=/dev/ram0 real_root=/dev/mapper/isw_XXXXXX_VolumeXX dodmraid"
"initrd=/boot/(initrd created above)"
also you may want to add "radeon.modeset=1" for kms and "fbcon=set:1" this is for SLI if you use it if you get a black screen on boot or a burning effect on the screen

AlienFx:
Google "AlienFX lite" :)

Wi-Fi:
"emerge -av broadcom-sta" if this works 1st time... great! if not see my trouble shooting below.

TXpower it a know issue ins some cases for it to be set to off, even if it's not i find setting it to 24 is a magic number for me.
"iwconfig <device> txpower 24"

Power saving turning off may fix constant dropping connection.
"iwconfig <device> power off"

if all that fails i found unloading the "lib80211_crypt_tkip" module helps alot this module is loaded by the broadcom driver so it can't be blacklisted and is need to build the driver so it can't be deselected :(

"modprobe -r lib80211_crypt_tkip"

this should leave "lib80211" and "wl"

I still have a few things on my "TODO: list" but appart from Wi-Fi it pretty much there.

I hope this helps you and others in setting up/deciding to set up Gentoo on your Alienware M17x/M15x.

i had lots of fun getting this to work (almost) correctly on my M17x as far as i know the M15x is almost the same hardware.

if you have any feedback on this guide or if you have a issue i haven't mentioned above let me know.

Okiura,

Edit: As a side i have tried a fair few distros in my search for the perfect one for this machine, and i'd say Gentoo is the best by far. as mentioned above some elbow greese is needed to set this up but it is worth it in the end, there are other distros out there that are easier to set up but that is because they are all generic and do not use the system to is full potentialm, and to get them to run nearly as smooth takes just as much elbow greese but as the apps are not compiled by you machine for you machine they still lack that little somthing
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Post by d2_racing » Sat Jun 26, 2010 3:55 pm

okiura wrote:Hi,

I Have a M17x-R2 running Gentoo almost perfectly (still ironing out a few bugs).
My Hardware in brief: Intel i7, ATI 4850 x2 (SLI, or X-fire as ATI call it), 2HDD's (Set to Raid-0) DELL mini BT and the Broadcom STA.
Nice box indeed and Raid-0 is pretty good too.
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Post by archenroot » Wed Dec 28, 2011 10:32 am

Hi,

I just bought Alienware M17 R3. the Gentoo is up and running even I still have to solve some hw related issues which are:
- Sound (S/P DIF, MIC, External-line, External-speakers) works well at all with kernel built-in driver, but the integrated repro by Klipsch doesn't work. I found article http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-82 ... nware.html which didnt' help me.
- Broadcom 4727 hybrid wireless doesn work for me, but I was able to start from my rescue cd and it was detected as 4313 and worked well


Everything else seems to be working, I of course faced many issues with getting hw up, so I prepare wiki site at:
http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Alienwar ... 3_-_Nvidia

This site covers my experience with kernel and compile configuration for Alienware M17x R3.
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