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PostPosted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 8:45 pm    Post subject: kmail1 and kde 4.7.0 Reply with quote

Hello,

new kde update, new mask problems for kmail1 :-(

Atm i see this list:
Code:
The following mask changes are necessary to proceed:
#required by kde-base/kdepim-meta-4.7.0, required by kde-base/kde-meta-4.7.0[-oldpim,semantic-desktop], required by @selected, required by @world (argument)
# /etc/portage/package.mask:
>=kde-base/kdepim-kresources-4.7.0
#required by kde-base/kdepim-meta-4.7.0, required by kde-base/kde-meta-4.7.0[-oldpim,semantic-desktop], required by @selected, required by @world (argument)
# /etc/portage/package.mask:
>=kde-base/kmail-4.7.0
#required by kde-base/kdepim-meta-4.7.0, required by kde-base/kde-meta-4.7.0[-oldpim,semantic-desktop], required by @selected, required by @world (argument)
# /etc/portage/package.mask:
#>=kde-base/kdepim-l10n-4.6.0
#>=kde-base/kdepimlibs-4.6.0
#>=kde-base/kdepimlibs-4.6.0
>=kde-base/kleopatra-4.7.0
#required by kde-base/kdepim-meta-4.7.0, required by kde-base/kde-meta-4.7.0[-oldpim,semantic-desktop], required by @selected, required by @world (argument)
# /etc/portage/package.mask:
#>=kde-base/kdepim-l10n-4.6.0
#>=kde-base/kdepimlibs-4.6.0
#>=kde-base/kdepimlibs-4.6.0
>=kde-base/knotes-4.7.0
#required by kde-base/akonadiconsole-4.7.0, required by kde-base/kdepim-meta-4.7.0, required by kde-base/kde-meta-4.7.0[-oldpim,semantic-desktop], required by @selected, required by @world (argument)
# /etc/portage/package.mask:
>=kde-base/kdepim-common-libs-4.7.0
#required by kde-base/kdepim-meta-4.7.0, required by kde-base/kde-meta-4.7.0[-oldpim,semantic-desktop], required by @selected, required by @world (argument)
# /etc/portage/package.mask:
#>=kde-base/kdepim-l10n-4.6.0
#>=kde-base/kdepimlibs-4.6.0
#>=kde-base/kdepimlibs-4.6.0
>=kde-base/kalarm-4.7.0
#required by kde-base/kdepim-meta-4.7.0, required by kde-base/kde-meta-4.7.0[-oldpim,semantic-desktop], required by @selected, required by @world (argument)
# /etc/portage/package.mask:
#>=kde-base/kdepim-l10n-4.6.0
#>=kde-base/kdepimlibs-4.6.0
#>=kde-base/kdepimlibs-4.6.0
>=kde-base/kaddressbook-4.7.0
#required by kde-base/kde-meta-4.7.0[-oldpim,semantic-desktop], required by @selected, required by @world (argument)
# /etc/portage/package.mask:
#>=kde-base/kdepim-l10n-4.6.0
>=kde-base/kdepim-meta-4.7.0
#required by kde-base/kdepim-meta-4.7.0, required by kde-base/kde-meta-4.7.0[-oldpim,semantic-desktop], required by @selected, required by @world (argument)
# /etc/portage/package.mask:
#>=kde-base/kdepim-l10n-4.6.0
#>=kde-base/kdepimlibs-4.6.0
#>=kde-base/kdepimlibs-4.6.0
>=kde-base/kjots-4.7.0
#required by kde-base/kdepim-meta-4.7.0, required by kde-base/kde-meta-4.7.0[-oldpim,semantic-desktop], required by @selected, required by @world (argument)
# /etc/portage/package.mask:
#>=kde-base/kdepim-l10n-4.6.0
#>=kde-base/kdepimlibs-4.6.0
#>=kde-base/kdepimlibs-4.6.0
>=kde-base/konsolekalendar-4.7.0
#required by kde-base/kdepim-meta-4.7.0, required by kde-base/kde-meta-4.7.0[-oldpim,semantic-desktop], required by @selected, required by @world (argument)
# /etc/portage/package.mask:
#>=kde-base/kdepim-l10n-4.6.0
#>=kde-base/kdepimlibs-4.6.0
#>=kde-base/kdepimlibs-4.6.0
>=kde-base/ktimetracker-4.7.0
#required by kde-base/kdepim-meta-4.7.0, required by kde-base/kde-meta-4.7.0[-oldpim,semantic-desktop], required by @selected, required by @world (argument)
# /etc/portage/package.mask:
#>=kde-base/kdepim-l10n-4.6.0
#>=kde-base/kdepimlibs-4.6.0
#>=kde-base/kdepimlibs-4.6.0
>=kde-base/akonadiconsole-4.7.0
#required by kde-base/kdepim-meta-4.7.0, required by kde-base/kde-meta-4.7.0[-oldpim,semantic-desktop], required by @selected, required by @world (argument)
# /etc/portage/package.mask:
#>=kde-base/kdepim-l10n-4.6.0
#>=kde-base/kdepimlibs-4.6.0
#>=kde-base/kdepimlibs-4.6.0
>=kde-base/korganizer-4.7.0
#required by kde-base/kdepim-meta-4.7.0, required by kde-base/kde-meta-4.7.0[-oldpim,semantic-desktop], required by @selected, required by @world (argument)
# /etc/portage/package.mask:
#>=kde-base/kdepim-l10n-4.6.0
>=kde-base/kdepim-wizards-4.7.0
#required by kde-base/kdepim-meta-4.7.0, required by kde-base/kde-meta-4.7.0[-oldpim,semantic-desktop], required by @selected, required by @world (argument)
# /etc/portage/package.mask:
#>=kde-base/kdepim-l10n-4.6.0
#>=kde-base/kdepimlibs-4.6.0
#>=kde-base/kdepimlibs-4.6.0
>=kde-base/akregator-4.7.0
#required by kde-base/kdepim-meta-4.7.0, required by kde-base/kde-meta-4.7.0[-oldpim,semantic-desktop], required by @selected, required by @world (argument)
# /etc/portage/package.mask:
#>=kde-base/kdepim-l10n-4.6.0
>=kde-base/kdepim-strigi-analyzer-4.7.0
#required by kde-base/knode-4.7.0[kontact], required by kde-base/kdepim-meta-4.7.0, required by kde-base/kde-meta-4.7.0[-oldpim,semantic-desktop], required by @selected, required by @world (argument)
# /etc/portage/package.mask:
#>=kde-base/kdepim-l10n-4.6.0
#>=kde-base/kdepimlibs-4.6.0
#>=kde-base/kdepimlibs-4.6.0
>=kde-base/kontact-4.7.0
#required by kde-base/kdepim-meta-4.7.0, required by kde-base/kde-meta-4.7.0[-oldpim,semantic-desktop], required by @selected, required by @world (argument)
# /etc/portage/package.mask:
#>=kde-base/kdepim-l10n-4.6.0
>=kde-base/kdepim-runtime-4.7.0
#required by kde-base/kdepim-meta-4.7.0, required by kde-base/kde-meta-4.7.0[-oldpim,semantic-desktop], required by @selected, required by @world (argument)
# /etc/portage/package.mask:
>=kde-base/kdepim-icons-4.7.0
#required by kde-base/kdepim-meta-4.7.0, required by kde-base/kde-meta-4.7.0[-oldpim,semantic-desktop], required by @selected, required by @world (argument)
# /etc/portage/package.mask:
#>=kde-base/kdepim-l10n-4.6.0
#>=kde-base/kdepimlibs-4.6.0
#>=kde-base/kdepimlibs-4.6.0
>=kde-base/knode-4.7.0


Not sure what i should change, would be nice to use kmail1 with kde 4.7.0. Like the last time (https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-886454.html), i hope there is a solution :-(

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 6:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Which brings me to the question, is the kmail in KDE 4.7.0 stable enough to be using for daily use where email loss would be frowned upon?

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 7:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

@DieterK
You should mask the packages listed greater or equal(>=) to version 4.6.0

@Thumper
Used it for about a month now without issue, time will tell I guess
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 7:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well at least that sounds positive, I guess I'll pull a last minute backup and roll those dice.

Thanks.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 8:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd be wary of kmail 4.7. It refuses to display my sent messags (they
still exist on the disk).

More ominously, it now is storing (only some?) mail in an akonadi
folder in ~/.local/share/akonadi/file_db_data and these messages
do not get stored in ~./.kde4/share/apps/kmail/mail even though
that's where kmail is set to store mail

I have no idea what's going on, but I can't say I like it :?
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 29, 2011 12:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

that does not sound pleasant...

I'm still trying to get my mail fixed right, I have well over 10 years worth of mail, and lots of folders, so for each one I'm having to do the following:
Code:
- After Migration for each folder, right click and select "Folder->Update folder and its subfolders" mail is displayed.


So far it's working...

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 29, 2011 9:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

thumper wrote:
Code:
- After Migration for each folder, right click and select "Folder->Update folder and its subfolders" mail is displayed.


So far it's working...
Sounds good. I had a really bad time with kdepim-4.6 and resoring my emails in kmail2. But backups are your friend anyway...

btw.: I really like your "Max Headroom" avatar. ;-)
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 29, 2011 1:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

albright wrote:
More ominously, it now is storing (only some?) mail in an akonadi
folder in ~/.local/share/akonadi/file_db_data and these messages
do not get stored in ~./.kde4/share/apps/kmail/mail even though
that's where kmail is set to store mail

I have no idea what's going on, but I can't say I like it :?

Akonadi is the new backend for mail management in kmail, which is now "only" a gui to access that mail, compose etc.
So akonadi is handling the interaction with the servers and (some?) mail storage.

I'm unsure about the switch, if only there was a quick way to test, I guess I'll have to wait some other distro releases binaries and test in a vm... meanwhile kmail1 is acting strange, giving out weird imap errors.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 29, 2011 1:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
Akonadi is the new backend for mail management in kmail, which is now "only" a gui to access that mail, compose etc.
So akonadi is handling the interaction with the servers and (some?) mail storage.


I'm wondering what's the proper way to back up my mail, what with messages
scattered in various places across my hard drive?

Use to be just a copy of ~/.kde4/share/apps/kmail/mail would do it - something
goes wrong just copy over the messages.

It's not obvious how to back up mail in the brave new akonadi world. (I've fiddled
with copying files into and out of the akonadi directories ... and often things just
break)
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 29, 2011 1:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you just want to backup maildirs, you should be able to copy* them verbatim somewhere, full directory trees, and then using akonadi (not kmail afaik) import them as new maildir resources, wherever you store them. In a way it's more convenient than simply copying the files in the kmail local folders.

*There may be a backup function but I'm not aware of it.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 29, 2011 4:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can copy the akonadi files from ~/.local/share/akonadi/file_db_data

they don't seem to be maildirs; here's the (partial) output
of ls ~/.local/share/akonadi/file_db_data
Code:
 ~/.local/share/akonadi/file_db_data $ ls
57255_r0  69959_r0  70276_r0  71170_r0  72601_r1  74002_r0  74893_r0  75817_r0  76720_r0  78124_r0  79537_r0  80395_r0
57351_r0  69963_r0  70297_r0  71242_r0  72604_r0  74035_r0  74914_r0  75832_r0  76753_r0  78130_r0  79540_r0  80407_r0
57411_r0  69964_r0  70324_r0  71245_r0  72613_r1  74038_r0  74920_r0  75835_r0  76771_r0  78160_r0  79546_r0  80431_r0
58516_r0  69965_r0  70336_r0  71248_r1  72616_r0  74065_r0  74923_r1  75838_r0  76774_r0  78163_r0  79549_r0  80449_r0
58519_r0  69966_r0  70348_r0  71251_r0  72655_r0  74068_r1  74926_r0  75850_r0  76777_r0  78181_r0  79573_r0  80500_r0
65923_r9  69967_r0  70363_r0  71284_r0  72661_r0  74071_r0  74938_r0  75874_r0  76783_r0  78283_r0  79603_r0  80503_r0
65924_r9  69968_r0  70366_r0  71302_r0  72691_r1  74077_r0  74962_r1  75910_r0  76810_r0  78295_r0  79639_r0  80506_r0
68107_r0  69969_r0  70369_r0  71305_r0  72694_r0  74080_r1  74980_r0  75913_r0  76900_r0  78313_r0  79687_r0  80509_r0
68108_r0  69971_r0  70381_r1  71308_r0  72712_r0  74104_r0  75031_r0  75916_r0  76954_r0  78331_r0  79720_r0  80515_r0
68703_r0  69972_r0  70405_r0  71314_r0  72814_r0  74134_r0  75034_r0  75922_r0  76963_r0  78433_r0  79732_r0  80518_r0


that's where *some* (not all) of my mail is now ...

these are just files which dolphin reads as email (some however seem to be corrupted,
are only partial messages and open as text files).

Like I said, I don't have a clue what's going on here
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 29, 2011 10:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yamakuzure wrote:
Sounds good. I had a really bad time with kdepim-4.6 and resoring my emails in kmail2. But backups are your friend anyway...

btw.: I really like your "Max Headroom" avatar. ;-)


Thanks, always liked that show.

Well had to enter my passwords again for all my email accounts, did not seem to loose any old email, my default email account was not the same as prior to the upgrade 8O

I do have a problem with the spam and virus scanner filters, every mail that comes in gets a popup window called "Conflict Resolution" showing the message prior to and after scanning.... :evil: thats a bit annoying.

And if I ignore conflict resolution to long, I cannot click on any choices and kmail locks up... spiffy.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 30, 2011 9:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Darknight wrote:
If you just want to backup maildirs, you should be able to copy* them verbatim somewhere, full directory trees, and then using akonadi (not kmail afaik) import them as new maildir resources, wherever you store them. In a way it's more convenient than simply copying the files in the kmail local folders.

*There may be a backup function but I'm not aware of it.


The Akonaditray utility has backup and restore options, I haven't experimented with them as yet though
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 30, 2011 9:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

albright wrote:
I can copy the akonadi files from ~/.local/share/akonadi/file_db_data

they don't seem to be maildirs; here's the (partial) output
of ls ~/.local/share/akonadi/file_db_data
Code:
 ~/.local/share/akonadi/file_db_data $ ls
57255_r0  69959_r0  70276_r0  71170_r0  72601_r1  74002_r0  74893_r0  75817_r0  76720_r0  78124_r0  79537_r0  80395_r0
57351_r0  69963_r0  70297_r0  71242_r0  72604_r0  74035_r0  74914_r0  75832_r0  76753_r0  78130_r0  79540_r0  80407_r0
57411_r0  69964_r0  70324_r0  71245_r0  72613_r1  74038_r0  74920_r0  75835_r0  76771_r0  78160_r0  79546_r0  80431_r0
58516_r0  69965_r0  70336_r0  71248_r1  72616_r0  74065_r0  74923_r1  75838_r0  76774_r0  78163_r0  79549_r0  80449_r0
58519_r0  69966_r0  70348_r0  71251_r0  72655_r0  74068_r1  74926_r0  75850_r0  76777_r0  78181_r0  79573_r0  80500_r0
65923_r9  69967_r0  70363_r0  71284_r0  72661_r0  74071_r0  74938_r0  75874_r0  76783_r0  78283_r0  79603_r0  80503_r0
65924_r9  69968_r0  70366_r0  71302_r0  72691_r1  74077_r0  74962_r1  75910_r0  76810_r0  78295_r0  79639_r0  80506_r0
68107_r0  69969_r0  70369_r0  71305_r0  72694_r0  74080_r1  74980_r0  75913_r0  76900_r0  78313_r0  79687_r0  80509_r0
68108_r0  69971_r0  70381_r1  71308_r0  72712_r0  74104_r0  75031_r0  75916_r0  76954_r0  78331_r0  79720_r0  80515_r0
68703_r0  69972_r0  70405_r0  71314_r0  72814_r0  74134_r0  75034_r0  75922_r0  76963_r0  78433_r0  79732_r0  80518_r0


that's where *some* (not all) of my mail is now ...

these are just files which dolphin reads as email (some however seem to be corrupted,
are only partial messages and open as text files).

Like I said, I don't have a clue what's going on here


My Akonadi configuration shows Mysql as the back end, presumably you would need something like phpmyadmin to view the emails externally :?:
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2011 7:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

albright wrote:
I can copy the akonadi files from ~/.local/share/akonadi/file_db_data

these are just files which dolphin reads as email (some however seem to be corrupted,
are only partial messages and open as text files).

Like I said, I don't have a clue what's going on here

When I referred to maildirs I didn't intend those but instead the "old" maildirs from kmail 1 for later use in kmail 2. In kmail 2 I assume that at least the local folders are in maildir format, since they are stored in a specific configurable directory. Maybe you can find your mail looking where each akonadi resource is set to write its files. That's where my knowledge ends, as I said before I'm still thinking about the transition, the only test I made was installing kubuntu in a vm and connecting kmail 2 to a dimap account, which worked but took forever to sync.
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