Looks like Gentoo is a sinking ship.

NeddySeagoon · Posted: Tue May 24, 2011 4:32 pm Post subject:

mengzhao,

I think you are missing the point of Gentoo. Gentoo is not a Linux distro, its a set of tools you use to build your own distro.
Think of Linux From Scratch with a package manager. Thats a little simplistic but its essentially correct.

What your "Gentoo Install" looks like depends on what part of the toolset the Gentoo offers, you use and to a lesser extend on how you use the tools.
This means everyones "Gentoo Install" is different.

dirkfanick · Posted: Tue May 24, 2011 6:11 pm Post subject:

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dirkfanick · Posted: Wed May 25, 2011 1:27 pm Post subject:

Dito:

gentoo just hasn't this sometimes awful dependency problems like in debian.

and you can compile and patch nearly everything in the open-source-universe.

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Maybe the future of Gentoo is overlays and bugzilla, it's a quick way to contribute.

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It always amuses me when clueless people proclaim "Linux has lost the desktop war!!2". Linux is about creating better software, not waging war and trying to annihilate as many "enemies" as possible. Microsoft however is all about fighting and in-fighting, and the desktop is the only place they haven't lost - yet.

phajdan.jr · Posted: Wed May 25, 2011 4:01 pm Post subject:

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dirkfanick · Posted: Fri May 27, 2011 1:36 pm Post subject:

The advatage is, that you can install/compile bleeding-edge-software (from devs or overlays) linked to stable libs (of course there are some exceptions and the sometimes appearing KEYWORDS-struggles are admit-able awful).

that what was what i didn't like about debian. distupgrades to edge/unstable are a dangerous thing sometimes.

gentoo is opensource as it should be. debian/ubuntu is for users that are not that interested in having always the newest sources, but to have a (almost) stable system.

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dirkfanick · Posted: Mon May 30, 2011 2:00 pm Post subject:

I tried to explain, that you don't have to make a complete dist-upgrade just to have the newest firefox, gimp, ardour, grub or whatever.

The packages are not statically linked in gentoo - even if a revdep-rebuild is awfull sometimes.

ubuntu is a nice & beatifull preconfigured desktop anyway.

likewhoa · Posted: Mon May 30, 2011 8:55 pm Post subject:

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Ubuntu?... Holy shit. The worst QA of all distros... despite it's large team, of not to mention windows migrants who programed for .NET before...
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dirkfanick · Posted: Tue May 31, 2011 1:20 pm Post subject:

Kollin · Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2011 8:40 pm Post subject:

This blog post rally made me sad http://hwoarang.silverarrow.org/2011/06/12/how-to-be-a-bad-leader/

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dalek · Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2011 9:41 pm Post subject:

I subscribe to -dev and read the arguments from both sides. I see it this way, no matter which way the council decided, someone was going to be upset and "unmotivated". Thing is, the council made a decision and to be part of the team, you have to obey the rules. If you don't like the rules, make the case to have it changed but don't break them in the meantime.

I also can't help but notice this, it seemed the vast majority agree with the councils decision. It was only a few that didn't. So would we rather keep a few and lose many or keep the many and lose a few? Since Gentoo is so short on manpower, as is always claimed, would losing many be a good idea?

I realize that some put in more effort than others. Does that mean that others won't step up and take up the slack? That has happened in the past and I'm sure it will happen again. Should that also mean that if you have more commits than others that your opinion counts more than others? Can anyone else see where that would take Gentoo. Anyone know what a dictator is?

Isn't the council elected by the very ones complaining about the decision? Shouldn't we all remember that if we cast a vote for the wrong person(s) we get to keep the consequences.

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It's sad to see things blow out of proportion like that - I thought things calmed down in the past few years.

I'm just glad neither ssuominen nor vapier stormed out.
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dalek · Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2011 4:56 am Post subject:

Oh things are better. It got so bad on the -dev list that I unsubscribed. I got tired of reading basically nothing but devs arguing about nothing.

On the changelog, I see some changes that should be made. If a file is about to be deleted, why put it in the changelog. That is one that doesn't make sense. Add a entry that you are going to delete a file then delete the very same file. It just sort of escapes me. Now if that file is going to be archived somewhere, then it should be noted because it got changed but is archived for future reference.

I think the biggest point is, it is the rules. They need to be changed to make more sense but that could be done reasonably quickly. I think like most things, it was a little bit of a overreaction. Just follow the rules until it get corrected.

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phajdan.jr · Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2011 6:00 am Post subject:

dalek · Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2011 6:21 am Post subject:

I agree, it started out as common sense. Then it turned into following the rules after the council decision. Given your explanation, I see now that just because something is removed does not mean it is deleted or gone forever. In that case, I agree there should be a changelog.

The funny thing is, I'm not a dev and never have been one. Given the information you just gave, I see why there should be a entry in the changelog and why the council made the decision they did. Just wish everyone else could see that too. :wink:

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What I don't get is (if I'm understanding correctly) is why the CVS log is different from the ChangeLog? Why can't the CVS commit message just be automatically appended to it?
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