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PostPosted: Sun Mar 08, 2015 2:18 pm    Post subject: Putin Frames Chechens Reply with quote

http://www.latimes.com/world/europe/la-fg-russia-nemtsov-arrests-court-20150308-story.html

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One of the charged suspects, former Chechen police commander Zaur Dadayev, pleaded guilty to the murder charge, the official Tass news agency reported in an urgent dispatch.
"Dadayev's involvement is confirmed by his confession," Judge Natalya Mushnikova of the Basmanny district court was quoted as announcing after the arraignment.

I'm sure there was no coercion achieving that admission of guilt. :lol:
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 08, 2015 3:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's good to see that what was only an unproven theory several days ago, is now hard reality. Also, I'm glad that the Russian CIA, I mean KGB, I mean MBVD, I mean MSB, I mean AfB, I mean MB, I mean FSK, I mean FSB is now part of the independent Russian judicial branch. You know, separation of powers and all.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 08, 2015 3:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, CIA, FBI, NSA never frame its subjects. Never spies on it. It is only that villain Putin that does it.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 08, 2015 4:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Yeah, CIA, FBI, NSA never frame its subjects. Never spies on it. It is only that villain Putin that does it.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 08, 2015 4:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you want to start a thread about CIA dirty tricks, then go for it. This thread is about Putin. :P

By the time this guy is through with his "confession," he will have admitted to killing Anna Politkovskaya, Stanislav Markelov, and Alexander Litvinenko.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 08, 2015 4:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If you want to start a thread about CIA dirty tricks, then go for it. This thread is about Putin. :P

Well if there was apocalypse, and your two neighbors were Putin and Obama, and they both say "follow me", I'd go with Putin.
Cos alternative would be both of them following me, and who the fuck wants Obama in his band.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 08, 2015 4:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Prenj wrote:
Old School wrote:
If you want to start a thread about CIA dirty tricks, then go for it. This thread is about Putin. :P

Well if there was apocalypse, and your two neighbors were Putin and Obama, and they both say "follow me", I'd go with Putin.
Cos alternative would be both of them following me, and who the fuck wants Obama in his band.

How much is Putin vs. Obama, and how much is the system that they are working within?

If Putin were president of the US, and decided that he wanted to kill his political rival, could he get away with it? I doubt it. So maybe Putin is actually less evil than Obama, but he just has less checks on his power.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 08, 2015 4:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't see a whole lot of difference in the systems any longer.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 08, 2015 4:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I don't see a whole lot of difference in the systems any longer.

So you think that if Putin were president of the US, he could kill Jeb Bush and get away with it? And he could have Biden run as president, rig the vote so that he wins (as if there were any other way for Biden to win), and act as the de-facto president while Biden holds office?
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 08, 2015 4:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Old School wrote:
I don't see a whole lot of difference in the systems any longer.

So you think that if Putin were president of the US, he could kill Jeb Bush and get away with it? And he could have Biden run as president, rig the vote so that he wins (as if there were any other way for Biden to win), and act as the de-facto president while Biden holds office?

Our assassinations are of the more civilized nature of personal assassination. Homophobe. Racist. War on Women.

And you are taking this as a attack on poor Barry. The Imperial Presidency has been developing for a number of decades now, and has so far culminated in a President who does get away with assassinating US citizens (Anwar al-Awlaki) on his order. So it is just a matter of degrees between Anna Politkovskaya, Stanislav Markelov, Alexander Litvinenko, and Anwar al-Awlaki.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 08, 2015 5:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Old School wrote:
I don't see a whole lot of difference in the systems any longer.

So you think that if Putin were president of the US, he could kill Jeb Bush and get away with it? And he could have Biden run as president, rig the vote so that he wins (as if there were any other way for Biden to win), and act as the de-facto president while Biden holds office?

If Putin was the president of US and Obama was president of russia, I am sure the CIA could get someone to kill Jeb Bush and attempt to frame Putin. :lol:

Besides, who killed JFK?
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 08, 2015 5:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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richk449 wrote:
Old School wrote:
I don't see a whole lot of difference in the systems any longer.

So you think that if Putin were president of the US, he could kill Jeb Bush and get away with it? And he could have Biden run as president, rig the vote so that he wins (as if there were any other way for Biden to win), and act as the de-facto president while Biden holds office?

Our assassinations are of the more civilized nature of personal assassination. Homophobe. Racist. War on Women.

And you are taking this as a attack on poor Barry.
? Not sure what you mean by that.

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The Imperial Presidency has been developing for a number of decades now, and has so far culminated in a President who does get away with assassinating US citizens (Anwar al-Awlaki) on his order. So it is just a matter of degrees between Anna Politkovskaya, Stanislav Markelov, Alexander Litvinenko, and Anwar al-Awlaki.

Yes, it is just a matter of degrees. But what isn't? You don't think the degrees between killing a terrorist-affiliated US citizen in a foreign country and killing an opposition political leader in the fatherland matter?

Don't get me wrong, Obama's actions are worthy of impeachment, but they are still much less severe than Putin's (assuming he did it).


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 08, 2015 5:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Related http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/02/nice-putin-russia-115431.html#.VPx9lfnF8SM
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 08, 2015 5:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

richk449 wrote:
Old School wrote:
richk449 wrote:
Old School wrote:
I don't see a whole lot of difference in the systems any longer.

So you think that if Putin were president of the US, he could kill Jeb Bush and get away with it? And he could have Biden run as president, rig the vote so that he wins (as if there were any other way for Biden to win), and act as the de-facto president while Biden holds office?

Our assassinations are of the more civilized nature of personal assassination. Homophobe. Racist. War on Women.

And you are taking this as a attack on poor Barry.
? Not sure what you mean by that.

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The Imperial Presidency has been developing for a number of decades now, and has so far culminated in a President who does get away with assassinating US citizens (Anwar al-Awlaki) on his order. So it is just a matter of degrees between Anna Politkovskaya, Stanislav Markelov, Alexander Litvinenko, and Anwar al-Awlaki.

Yes, it is just a matter of degrees. But what isn't? You don't think the degrees between killing a terrorist-affiliated US citizen in a foreign country and killing an opposition political leader in the fatherland matter?

Don't get me wrong, Obama's actions are worthy of impeachment, but they are still much less severe than Putin's (assuming he did it).

I think we pretty much agree with one another, just coming at the conclusion from slightly different angles. :wink:
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 08, 2015 5:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

richk449 wrote:
Related http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/02/nice-putin-russia-115431.html#.VPx9lfnF8SM

Nice read. Thanks!
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 08, 2015 5:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Old School wrote:
I don't see a whole lot of difference in the systems any longer.
Things turned that bad in Russia, eh?
And one note about this thread's title: it's spelled with an i and a k.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 08, 2015 7:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Yeah, CIA, FBI, NSA never frame its subjects. Never spies on it. It is only that villain Putin that does it.


I don't really think that's fair, there aren't many allies of the NSA in here either.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 08, 2015 10:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Yeah, CIA, FBI, NSA never frame its subjects. Never spies on it. It is only that villain Putin that does it.


I don't really think that's fair, there aren't many allies of the NSA in here either.


No no, you see. If somebody is heavily criticized on this forum for doing some really nasty stuff (NSA, Bush, Obama, you name it), then somebody else doing at least the same (Putin), should be left alone.

That's some sound logic right there. No arguing.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 08, 2015 10:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Back on topic.


I haven't seen any pictures or video material proving that they did it. For all we know, they were simply on vacation.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 08, 2015 11:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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That's some sound logic right there. No arguing.
Ah you silly left-brained person. :lol:
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 09, 2015 3:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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bogamol wrote:
notageek wrote:
Yeah, CIA, FBI, NSA never frame its subjects. Never spies on it. It is only that villain Putin that does it.


I don't really think that's fair, there aren't many allies of the NSA in here either.


No no, you see. If somebody is heavily criticized on this forum for doing some really nasty stuff (NSA, Bush, Obama, you name it), then somebody else doing at least the same (Putin), should be left alone.

That's some sound logic right there. No arguing.


It's a tu quoque fallacy. Plus he's trolling, as are you.
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