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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2018 6:53 am    Post subject: Ryzen latop with nvidia gpu Reply with quote

I see that Asus is teasing one (ASUS Laptop X570UD), but I can't find one for sale anywhere.

When I check newegg I only get a bunch of Ryzen/ATI laptops. Anyone know if there is one available?
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2018 7:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can buy one here. It's in NZ though, not that far from the islands of death you live on
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2018 9:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The good thing about Asus is that they have similarly spec'ed models with minor differences. I'd watch Amazon after Thanks Giving and before Christmas (well maybe up to Jan).

I found a great deal on a Thinkpad p50 in Dec 2016. (Beastly machine!)
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2018 10:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

you heathen, take your vega and like it. :lol:
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2018 11:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good deal is where you find it.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2018 1:40 pm    Post subject: Re: Ryzen latop with nvidia gpu Reply with quote

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<Ryzen laptops>
Are the specs for "real" laptops, or artificially crippled similar to previous laptops with AMD components?
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2018 2:52 pm    Post subject: Re: Ryzen latop with nvidia gpu Reply with quote

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<Ryzen laptops>
Are the specs for "real" laptops, or artificially crippled similar to previous laptops with AMD components?


I want a proper Ryzen with nVidia GPU, and not one of those hybrid GPUs. I can't find any on the market... yet.

If only this had a Ryzen
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2018 3:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

:lol:

I've always thought those kinds of laptops were the "new and improved luggable."

I'd prefer an AMD GPU (not the "APU" / hybrid).
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2018 4:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I've always thought those kinds of laptops were the "new and improved luggable."

I'd prefer an AMD GPU (not the "APU" / hybrid).


Drivers man, DRIVERS!!!

AMD gpu's have burned me too many times. With nVidia, I know they will work beautifully.

As for the size, I don't mind a laptop on the heavier side if the performance is there.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2018 6:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Drivers man, DRIVERS!!!

AMD gpu's have burned me too many times. With nVidia, I know they will work beautifully.

That's a thing of the past, fglrx is long dead, and the current AMD drivers are *vastly* improved in every way, including having core driver components in mainline kernel. You should really do some duckduckgoing regarding the current state of the AMDGPU drivers.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2018 7:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Drivers man, DRIVERS!!!

AMD gpu's have burned me too many times. With nVidia, I know they will work beautifully.

That's a thing of the past, fglrx is long dead, and the current AMD drivers are *vastly* improved in every way, including having core driver components in mainline kernel. You should really do some duckduckgoing regarding the current state of the AMDGPU drivers.


Nice. So I'll be looking around for a nice Ryzen/AMD GPU laptop with excellent Linux wifi & Gigabit ethernet.

This one looks promising.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2018 8:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Nice. So I'll be looking around for a nice Ryzen/AMD GPU laptop with excellent Linux wifi & Gigabit ethernet.

This one looks promising.

Nice. A machine that expensive should either be Intel or Atheros WiFi, shouldn't be any trouble there.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2018 8:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Nice. So I'll be looking around for a nice Ryzen/AMD GPU laptop with excellent Linux wifi & Gigabit ethernet.

This one looks promising.

Nice. A machine that expensive should either be Intel or Atheros WiFi, shouldn't be any trouble there.


I have a Panda Wireless PAU09 N600 Dual Band WiFi Dongle, but I'd rather the built-in wifi just work. I bought that dongle because the 3160 chip in my Toshiba laptop just sucks in Linux.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2018 9:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

On the plus side, it isn't that hard to get reasonably priced M.2 Atheros WiFi cards that 'just works'. Although some laptops are better than others about making the card accessible. That shouldn't be a problem with 'gaming' laptops though.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2018 11:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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On the plus side, it isn't that hard to get reasonably priced M.2 Atheros WiFi cards that 'just works'. Although some laptops are better than others about making the card accessible. That shouldn't be a problem with 'gaming' laptops though.


The Panda dongle is brilliant, it's just something I'd rather not have to travel with.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 4:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MiniPCIe (WWAN slot) WLAN cards?

I only just now learned that they exist (new Intel filter applied).
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 1:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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MiniPCIe (WWAN slot) WLAN cards?

I only just now learned that they exist (new Intel filter applied).

MiniPCIe is already old hat. M.2 is the new hotness: https://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&IsNodeId=1&N=100158094%20601114357
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 5:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was thinking of the availability of a WWAN slot. I'd rather put data on an M.2 slot. Unless laptops are starting to come with extraneous M.2 slots.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 6:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, you pretty much wont find a MiniPCIe slot on current laptops at all, M.2 is narrower so it saves space, although they usually top out at 2xM.2 slots, a type M (for NVMe drives) and type E (for wifi). Pretty much have to go for business class laptops to get an extra type E for a WWAN card. At that rate you may as well just get the SKU that comes with one out of the box.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 6:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was thinking of using it for wifi instead of a USB device, not WWAN.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2018 8:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh that's a neat laptop. That would be a good one once this system76 one craps it's self. Already had to send it in for repairs to a dying 1070.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 27, 2018 12:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just a wee update on the Helios 500 WiFi situation, I saw a teardown and spotted that it uses a Killer 1550i NIC, it's an 802.11ac wave2 card, and the chipset for that is made by Intel, and it's supported as of Linux 4.16 according to a Manjaro forum mod. Assuming Acer uses the same card for all the Helios 500 laptops, that is. No guarantee on that, but it's a promising sign that they're not skimping out on some janky Broadcom-grade shitty WiFi.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 27, 2018 12:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

aidanjt wrote:
Just a wee update on the Helios 500 WiFi situation, I saw a teardown and spotted that it uses a Killer 1550i NIC, it's an 802.11ac wave2 card, and the chipset for that is made by Intel, and it's supported as of Linux 4.16 according to a Manjaro forum mod. Assuming Acer uses the same card for all the Helios 500 laptops, that is. No guarantee on that, but it's a promising sign that they're not skimping out on some janky Broadcom-grade shitty WiFi.


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Good to know, thanks for looking out.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 27, 2018 1:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Found my way to the Acer support page for the Helios 500, only WiFi driver they're showing are killer drivers alright: https://www.acer.com/ac/en/US/content/support-product/7737?b=1

Awesome.
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