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PostPosted: Sat Jan 25, 2014 10:07 pm    Post subject: F1 2014 Season - This could be incredibly exciting!!! Reply with quote

The HUGE rule changes, especially the powerful powertrains (engines + ERS worth 33 seconds worth of an extra 160hp) means the whole grid could be turned upside down. They'll have so much torque that if you are too heavy on the accelerator then you'll spin immediately
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The new rules will inject some much-needed uncertainty into a sport in which results have become all-too familiar, but it would be wrong to assume they will automatically mean the end of Red Bull's hegemony.

There is a great piece and video about it on the BBC website and I for one can't wait until the first race

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/25158104
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 25, 2014 10:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

...except that no one in their right mind would implement that kind of KERS system in F1 cars, given no regulation. It adds a completely artificial element to the sport and is totally irrelevant for production cars, as is so often claimed for F1 technology.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 25, 2014 10:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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...except that no one in their right mind would implement that kind of KERS system in F1 cars, given no regulation. It adds a completely artificial element to the sport and is totally irrelevant for production cars, as is so often claimed for F1 technology.


actually, KERS is the only thing relevant for production cars.

Only that production cars mastered it years ago, when F1 was still discussing it.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 25, 2014 10:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Only that production cars mastered it years ago, when F1 was still discussing it.

Yes, and the way it is implemented in F1 is completely useless for everyone else.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 25, 2014 11:07 pm    Post subject: Re: F1 2014 Season - This could be incredibly exciting!!! Reply with quote

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They'll have so much torque that if you are too heavy on the accelerator then you'll spin immediately


What is the advantage to this other than higher television ratings?
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 25, 2014 11:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Only that production cars mastered it years ago, when F1 was still discussing it.

Yes, and the way it is implemented in F1 is completely useless for everyone else.


which just makes all those claims of the F1-defenders more ridiculous.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 26, 2014 4:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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...except that no one in their right mind would implement that kind of KERS system in F1 cars, given no regulation. It adds a completely artificial element to the sport and is totally irrelevant for production cars, as is so often claimed for F1 technology.
McLaren already have it in their P1, look: http://youtu.be/ddU4tcGIF6k?t=7m17s

Mercedes also have one
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 26, 2014 4:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

F1 is a joke!
They changed the rules mid-season (or even later iirc) last time that essentially opened the entire season up again. WTF is the point in busting a gut if the powers that be are just going to make it so some no-namer suddenly has a chance of winning the entire thing ...

They persistently keep fucking with the rules.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 26, 2014 4:19 pm    Post subject: Re: F1 2014 Season - This could be incredibly exciting!!! Reply with quote

porodzila wrote:
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They'll have so much torque that if you are too heavy on the accelerator then you'll spin immediately


What is the advantage to this other than higher television ratings?
puts more emphasis on driver ability
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F1 is a joke!
They changed the rules mid-season (or even later iirc) last time that essentially opened the entire season up again. WTF is the point in busting a gut if the powers that be are just going to make it so some no-namer suddenly has a chance of winning the entire thing ...

They persistently keep fucking with the rules.
They persistently fuck with the rules because teams find ways around them. They should start a season off with no rules except for safety and tell the teams to do what they want and then edit the rules the year after
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This season looks like it's going to come down to Hamilton v Rosberg. They're almost the same age, in F1 for almost the same time and in the same car.

Looks like the England v Germany, Energyman v Me will be settled this year. Rosberg has to win otherwise Energyman can shut up :P
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 13, 2014 2:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Technology has two purposes. Achieving technical stuff and marketing. On that basis F1 technology is highly relevant to production road vehicles.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 13, 2014 2:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Technology has two purposes. Achieving technical stuff and marketing. On that basis F1 technology is highly relevant to production road vehicles.
for example all the Supercars by McLaren, Ferrari and Mercedes which now have electronic recovery systems (ERS)
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 13, 2014 4:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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This season looks like it's going to come down to Hamilton v Rosberg. They're almost the same age, in F1 for almost the same time and in the same car.

Looks like the England v Germany, Energyman v Me will be settled this year. Rosberg has to win otherwise Energyman can shut up :P


it was settled the moment Rosberg had to stop to let Hamilton pass. Because that moment showed that NR is the better driver and that he was artificially slowed down for marketing reasons.

Hamilton - what has he done so far? One WC with a superior car - and then nothing.
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This season looks like it's going to come down to Hamilton v Rosberg. They're almost the same age, in F1 for almost the same time and in the same car.

Looks like the England v Germany, Energyman v Me will be settled this year. Rosberg has to win otherwise Energyman can shut up :P


it was settled the moment Rosberg had to stop to let Hamilton pass. Because that moment showed that NR is the better driver and that he was artificially slowed down for marketing reasons.

Hamilton - what has he done so far? One WC with a superior car - and then nothing.
He beat Alonso in the same car in his first season and would have won the Championship if it wasn't for Alonso
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This season looks like it's going to come down to Hamilton v Rosberg. They're almost the same age, in F1 for almost the same time and in the same car.

Looks like the England v Germany, Energyman v Me will be settled this year. Rosberg has to win otherwise Energyman can shut up :P


it was settled the moment Rosberg had to stop to let Hamilton pass. Because that moment showed that NR is the better driver and that he was artificially slowed down for marketing reasons.

Hamilton - what has he done so far? One WC with a superior car - and then nothing.
He beat Alonso in the same car in his first season and would have won the Championship if it wasn't for Alonso


so even Alonso is better than Hamilton.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 13, 2014 9:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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...except that no one in their right mind would implement that kind of KERS system in F1 cars, given no regulation. It adds a completely artificial element to the sport and is totally irrelevant for production cars, as is so often claimed for F1 technology.
McLaren already have it in their P1, look: http://youtu.be/ddU4tcGIF6k?t=7m17s

That has nothing to to with F1.

ERS in F1 solely exists due to regulation. The cars would actually be faster and more fuel efficient without the added weight, but of course, then we wouldn't get all those artificial overtakes for the sake of entertainment.

Give them a fixed amount of fuel, then do not regulate the power train at all - true competition for the best concept.
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...except that no one in their right mind would implement that kind of KERS system in F1 cars, given no regulation. It adds a completely artificial element to the sport and is totally irrelevant for production cars, as is so often claimed for F1 technology.
McLaren already have it in their P1, look: http://youtu.be/ddU4tcGIF6k?t=7m17s

That has nothing to to with F1.

ERS in F1 solely exists due to regulation. The cars would actually be faster and more fuel efficient without the added weight, but of course, then we wouldn't get all those artificial overtakes for the sake of entertainment.

Give them a fixed amount of fuel, then do not regulate the power train at all - true competition for the best concept.
still, no ERS, no P1. And it's the start of a new age for supercars because you can turn the motor off and just drive with the electric engine now
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 13, 2014 10:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Btw, Formula One 2014 Australian Grand Prix: First Practice 1.30AM-3.50AM, 3 hours from now
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 14, 2014 12:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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still, no ERS, no P1. And it's the start of a new age for supercars because you can turn the motor off and just drive with the electric engine now

So tell me, why would I want to turn off the glorious engine of my supercar?
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still, no ERS, no P1. And it's the start of a new age for supercars because you can turn the motor off and just drive with the electric engine now

So tell me, why would I want to turn off the glorious engine of my supercar?
to avoid present or future regulations on emissions which could be the death of supercars as we know it
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 14, 2014 8:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The practice results make interesting reading. I wonder if anyone is holding back?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/2014/australian-grand-prix/results/practice
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First impression:

I like the new sound.
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First impression:

I like the new sound.
I miss the high-pitched squeal but I certainly don't dislike the new sound. It will become very familiar very soon
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