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PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2015 6:49 am    Post subject: 2000 russian casualties in Ukraine so far Reply with quote

http://www.forbes.com/sites/paulroderickgregory/2015/08/25/kremlin-censors-rush-to-erase-inadvertent-release-of-russian-casualties-in-east-ukraine/
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Russian president Vladimir Putin has decreed that all Russian casualties “in peacetime” be a state secret. In addition to criminal charges arising from divulging state secrets, families risk losing pensions and lump-sum payments if they reveal that their sons were killed in Ukraine. Mothers of soldiers’ associations have been branded “foreign agents” for collecting data on Russian casualties. Dissident Boris Nemtsov was murdered shortly before completing his study of Russian casualties in Ukraine. Russian civil rights organizations, working against the fog of official resistance, could confirm only several hundred battlefield deaths.

Business Life (Delovaya Zhizn) reports on markets, finance, entrepreneurship, finance, and leisure, scarcely an outlet for sensational information. Its innocuously entitled “Increases in Pay for Military in 2015,” however, reveals what appear to be official figures on the number of Russian soldiers killed or made invalids “in eastern Ukraine.” Russian censors quickly removed the offending material but not before it had been webcached by the Ukrainian journal Novy Region (New Region). Here is the “top secret” material the censors removed (my translation):

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2015 9:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some guy named Frank told me there weren't any Russian troops in the Ukraine.

Hmm, could he have been misinformed?
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2015 9:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Some guy named Frank told me there weren't any Russian troops in the Ukraine.

Hmm, could he have been misinformed?


No, NATO propaganda. Including the captured Russian paratroopers.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2015 9:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Some guy named Frank told me there weren't any Russian troops in the Ukraine.

Hmm, could he have been misinformed?
These are not russian troops, these are russians holiday makers. This is a very worrying number. 2000 russian citizens being killed in Ukraine, I think russia needs to invade to ensure the safety of their citizens
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2015 12:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This will be another of those inconvenient threads that frankCCCP ignores. :lol:

The thread title really deserves a [frankCCCP] tag!
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2015 2:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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No, NATO propaganda. Including the captured Russian holidaymakers.

ftfy. Obviously a mass of Russians jumping out of a perfectly good working plane that doesn't have permission to be in that foreign airspace is completely innocent.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2015 3:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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but not before it had been webcached by the Ukrainian journal Novy Region (New Region). Here is the “top secret” material the censors removed (my translation)


Oh that sounds funny!

But we analyze this now open minded.
The alleged leak of this top secret material is to be carried out here: BS-LIFE.RU according to Farts magazin, pardon i mean "Forbes" magazin.

whois BS-LIFE.RU
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% By submitting a query to RIPN's Whois Service
% you agree to abide by the following terms of use:
% http://www.ripn.net/about/servpol.html#3.2 (in Russian)
% http://www.ripn.net/about/en/servpol.html#3.2 (in English).

domain: BS-LIFE.RU
nserver: ns1.sprinthost.ru.
nserver: ns2.sprinthost.ru.
state: REGISTERED, DELEGATED, VERIFIED
person: Private Person
registrar: REGRU-RU
admin-contact: http://www.reg.ru/whois/admin_contact
created: 2011.11.28
paid-till: 2015.11.28
free-date: 2015.12.29
source: TCI

Last updated on 2015.08.27 16:21:37 MSK


That's damn little information about this domain.
But the domain is registered to an anonymous private person!

Let's look at the imprint on the page, who is behind it?

We see virtually nothing!
A company name: "Business life"

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«Деловая жизнь» © 2008 - 2015 Все права защищены..
Google translation:
"Business life» © 2008 - 2015 All rights reserved ..

No name of a authorities.
No address.
No phone number.
Not even a email adress
The only option to contact is via a web form.

Main purpose of this site seems to be the sale of lawyer services in Moscow and Leningrad/ St. Petersburg
The content seems quite useless, purchased content. Without own work.
In Germany we also have hundreds of thousands of such websites with this kind purchased pseudo content. This only serves to increase the ranking in search engines.

Conclusion:
a completely unknown and anonymous site that does not have its own content and no visitors, no published references in the subordinate clause such data,
This will be "purely by chance" from a Ukrainian magazine "discovered" and are carried in the world. And it stirs no suspicion with you?
For me, the only question whether it was a stupid fake or targeted discrediting action.

For me clear the 2nd variant. In particular, since the "news agency" who "found" this is:
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© 1996-2015, NR2 NEWS AGENCY L.P., Scotland, United Kingdom.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2015 4:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Of course it's listed as a private person. The people that openly criticize Putin are dead!

Your defense of the Russian hegemony is funny. :lol:

Equally funny is how you source Russian news organizations that are owned by Putin and his cronies.

I would call you a Useful Idiot, but it has become obvious you are a paid troll for the Putin Regime. How is the weather in St. Petersburg?
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2015 5:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Of course it's listed as a private person. The people that openly criticize Putin are dead!


Did you read at least the original article at all?
"Russia Inadvertently Posts Its Casualties In Ukraine"
What does that have to do with your confused text?

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Your defense of the Russian hegemony is funny. :lol:


Your defense of the Nazi US hegmony is NOT funny!
Your country is since the end of WW II, responsible for the death of about 30 million people.
Thirty million!

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Equally funny is how you source Russian news organizations that are owned by Putin and his cronies.

Where I have linked here to a different page?
Thou shalt stop smoking those funny herbs at your age. Or is alcohol your problem? Or a combination of both?

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I would call you a Useful Idiot, but it has become obvious you are a paid troll for the Putin Regime. How is the weather in St. Petersburg?


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Is there in your home for the elderly no events that interest you? Did you won the Bingo last night?
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2015 7:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A bit more interesting maybe:

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Why aren’t more ordinary Russians outraged about being forced to support Putin’s cold war by eating Russian kasha when his own trusted spokesman was living like an oligarch in the Mediterranean? Why didn’t they back Navalny’s demands for investigating how Peskov funds his extravagant lifestyle? Or at least a public censure?

More to the point, how does Putin continue to enjoy near-90 per cent public approval ratings? Why is it that what seems starkly obvious to Westerners about the hardship, isolation and corruption his rule has brought doesn’t seem to be sinking in among Russians?

The answer lies in their different expectations. Although rising living standards helped boost Putin’s popularity for a decade, his presidency has really been about something else from the beginning: restoring Russia’s traditional political system.

They spent 16.000€ in champagne for a toast after the marriage ...

The next question is why a minority of non-russian leftists are still looking at Russia as commie paradise, how is possible that Russia appears to the eyes of thousands of frank totally different from what it appears in the news (also Russian news)?
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2015 8:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Your defense of the Nazi US hegmony is NOT funny!

That 's not the first time you have said that I support current US foreign policy. Point to a thread where I have, or just admit you are nothing but a pro Putin troll.

Do you have to look up those pro dictatorial Putin sites, or do your supervisors at The Agency provide them for you?

2000 grieving Russian mothers, and you are a callous bastard in denying them to publicly share their grief.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2015 9:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Putin is spending big monies to promote his person and his actions on the internet. So we have one of these paid voices posting here. I think we should create a poll and have him banned, although it may prove hard considering the free spirit of OTW.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2015 9:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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frank9999 wrote:
Your defense of the Nazi US hegmony is NOT funny!

That 's not the first time you have said that I support current US foreign policy. Point to a thread where I have, or just admit you are nothing but a pro Putin troll.

Do you have to look up those pro dictatorial Putin sites, or do your supervisors at The Agency provide them for you?

2000 grieving Russian mothers, and you are a callous bastard in denying them to publicly share their grief.


I've asked you this in the last thread, to give me examples, that prove that you are standing in opposition to the current US foreign policy.
You wrote, I should search it for myself. But I have not found anything. So prove it!

Have you now read this article in Forbes, yes or no?

Did you yourself looked at the pages, for e.g. BS-LIFE.RU ?
Tip: with Chromium or Chrome, you can pretty easy translate these websites.
Or you're the typical lazy who does not yourself verify the sources and prefer to rely on pre-built two or three-class sources?

How will the operator of a page with pseudo content optimized for search engines, get hold of state secrets? And this also publish "accidentally"?
Do you not find anything odd about this story?

This story stinks!
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2015 10:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Buffoon wrote:
Putin is spending big monies to promote his person and his actions on the internet. So we have one of these paid voices posting here. I think we should create a poll and have him banned, although it may prove hard considering the free spirit of OTW.


But do not forget to lock the new registration here!
Oh no avail, we have copied the databases of the NSA and GCHQ with all user names, email addresses and passwords that these 3 letter crime agencies had collected!
And I might also summon the other millions of "colleagues" ...

You are so ridiculous and pathetic.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2015 10:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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You are so ridiculous and pathetic.

Hit a nerve, I guess.

Just curious, how much they pay?
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2015 10:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Buffoon wrote:
frank9999 wrote:
You are so ridiculous and pathetic.

Hit a nerve, I guess.

Just curious, how much they pay?


Not really, but I wonder why so many simple-minded and naive people are here in OTW.
Especially, people who are apparently unable to think or act logically.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2015 10:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Still curious, does Putin pay by post or you are on salary?
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2015 10:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Still curious, does Putin pay by post or you are on salary?


Now this sentence alone shows a rational man, that you are a victim of propaganda.
Why are you using at this point the name of the President, why do you not take instead for eg the name of the state, of an authority, organization or company?
Let's say your accusation were true, do you think that Putin personally performs the money transfers or distributes the Cheques?

A day has only 24 hours also in Russia, how should Putin everything that Western propaganda accuses him, be involved personally?
Can not you see that this demonization of Putin in the western propaganda just yet is ridiculous?

Here is a link to one of Germany's largest "state-owned" radio stations, the term "state-owned" is formally not quite correct, but factually true.
http://www.wdr5.de/sendungen/tagesgespraech/einundzwanzigster-august-102.html
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Welche Risiken hat es, mit seinen Erzfeinden zu reden?
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What risks has it to talk to his archenemies (Russia)?


If such incitement, slander and propaganda continues, I will not be silent on this. And so it's not just me but millions of people in Europe.
The Western propaganda has so much exaggerated. These MSM have lost all credibility.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 28, 2015 8:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The story in Forbes by Paul R. Gregory is a fake!
http://www.forbes.com/sites/paulroderickgregory/2015/08/25/kremlin-censors-rush-to-erase-inadvertent-release-of-russian-casualties-in-east-ukraine/
http://paulgregorysblog.blogspot.de/2015/08/russia-inadvertently-posts-its.html

He has not the balls, admitting the mistake he has committed.
This old and unregenerate man deliberately so spread thus consciously fakes, lies and propaganda.
Paul R. Gregory is not a reputable journalist he distributes only crude conspiracy theories.
I've read a few more of his "reports" to me to form that opinion.
I would not spend money for one of his books.

Article from RT :
Who slipped? How fake report on ‘Russian soldier deaths’ in Ukraine set MSM on fire
https://www.rt.com/news/313653-russia-ukraine-soldiers-fake-forbes/

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This thread title really deserves now a [Ukri Fake] tag!
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 28, 2015 8:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

And as you all know, RT is a reliable unbiased source
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 28, 2015 10:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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And as you all know, RT is a reliable unbiased source


Just that I do not say.
But do you really think Forbes is a reliable unbiased source?

The problem is, Don erm67 has this nonsense articles found somewhere linked.
Probably in a forum of Russians haters.
I suspect that he has not even read the full Forbes article himself, it just fits into his bias.
Never mind that he has checked the provided source links.

I bet Muso, you, Naib, Old Men, aidanjt have also read only the headline and maybe the first section of Forbes text at best.
Just fits also into your bias too.

Only here we are at the Gentoo Forum and not a random Windows fan boy Forum!
Each of us can use google, and follow instructions in manuals and can far above average good with computers.
Each of us has spent many hours to build a custom kernel config file.
Therefore, I would have expected that you all at least to read the source article and performed at least some plausibility check.

A simple whois query or visiting of the the provided page BS-LIFE.RU
would have set you immediately skeptical of the Forbes article.

But you have all failed, because of your bias!
And that's the problem. Just think about it.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 28, 2015 10:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

frank9999 wrote:
Probably in a forum of Russians haters.

Now you're conflating Putin's government with the Russian people?
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 28, 2015 11:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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zixnub wrote:
And as you all know, RT is a reliable unbiased source

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Has there been russian troops in Ukraine, be aware a quick search will easily bring up all your Iraqi Information Minister Muhammad Saeed al-Sahhaf impressions
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 28, 2015 11:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

frank9999 wrote:

But do you really think Forbes is a reliable unbiased source?

The problem is, Don erm67 has this nonsense articles found somewhere linked.
Probably in a forum of Russians haters.


Actually is on all newspapers here, with the warning that is unverifiable data that will be promptly denied by the kremlin, not in German ones, apart euronews ....

What is not normal is that you apparently live in the fantastic projection of reality created by the various RT, sputnik and other kgb sponsored news services, most of the news they sell are bullshit, fakes, like that news about windows 10 we were discussing in the other thread, you know very well since apparently you are a regular reader/viewer. UFO encounters, reptilians, incoming asteroids, secrect cures for cancer hidden by the government, they give prominence to what belongs in the dust bin of a decent news broadcaster, this way they are able to attract gullible people, to diffuse the verb of Dugin protected by the strong arm of Putin.

What do you expect from your love for a foreign country? They will came and rescue you from the bad USian that occupy your country?

BTW according to some news even the commie raised Merkel gave up hope to reason with mr. Putin and the recent meetings were France-Germany-Ukraine only.
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frank9999, what is your address? I would like to visit you. Maybe we could have a cup of coffee.
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