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PostPosted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 6:10 pm    Post subject: KDE 4.4 - No shutdown, reboot, or logout Reply with quote

I upgraded two desktops and a laptop to KDE 4.4 two days ago. Since then I can not get the Shutdown, Reboot, or Logout to work from the K menu. It will ask em if I'm sure or countdown and then nothing. I have to manually shutdown using the shutdown command. Oddly enough, Sleep (suspend to RAM) works just fine on all three systems from the K menu.

On my desktop I've been experimenting with it all morning and have come up empty. I even moved my .kde4 folder, removed .kderc, and just about anything else that's not Thunderbird, Firefox, or Xine, or Mplayer related. Therefore on login, everything was set to the defaults as far as KDE is concerned.

Why does this not work? What am I missing?

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rich@area51 ~ $ emerge --info
Portage 2.1.8.3 (default/linux/x86/10.0, gcc-4.4.3, glibc-2.11.2-r0, 2.6.34-gentoo-r1 i686)
=================================================================
System uname: Linux-2.6.34-gentoo-r1-i686-Intel-R-_Core-TM-_i7_CPU_940_@_2.93GHz-with-gentoo-1.12.13
Timestamp of tree: Wed, 30 Jun 2010 17:00:01 +0000
app-shells/bash: 4.0_p37
dev-java/java-config: 2.1.10
dev-lang/python: 2.6.5-r2, 3.1.2-r3
dev-util/cmake: 2.6.4-r3
sys-apps/baselayout: 1.12.13
sys-apps/sandbox: 1.6-r2
sys-devel/autoconf: 2.13, 2.65
sys-devel/automake: 1.9.6-r3, 1.10.3, 1.11.1
sys-devel/binutils: 2.20.1-r1
sys-devel/gcc: 4.4.3-r2
sys-devel/gcc-config: 1.4.1
sys-devel/libtool: 2.2.6b
virtual/os-headers: 2.6.30-r1
ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="x86"
ACCEPT_LICENSE="*"
CBUILD="i686-pc-linux-gnu"
CFLAGS="-O2 -pipe -march=core2 -mtune=native -msse4 -mfpmath=sse -mcx16 -mpopcnt -msahf -fomit-frame-pointer"
CHOST="i686-pc-linux-gnu"
CONFIG_PROTECT="/etc /usr/share/X11/xkb /usr/share/config /var/lib/hsqldb"
CONFIG_PROTECT_MASK="/etc/ca-certificates.conf /etc/env.d /etc/env.d/java/ /etc/fonts/fonts.conf /etc/gconf /etc/revdep-rebuild /etc/sandbox.d /etc/terminfo"
CXXFLAGS="-O2 -pipe -march=core2 -mtune=native -msse4 -mfpmath=sse -mcx16 -mpopcnt -msahf -fomit-frame-pointer"
DISTDIR="/usr/portage/distfiles"
FEATURES="assume-digests distlocks fixpackages news parallel-fetch protect-owned sandbox sfperms strict unmerge-logs unmerge-orphans userfetch"
GENTOO_MIRRORS="http://distfiles.gentoo.org"
LDFLAGS="-Wl,-O1"
LINGUAS="en en_US"
MAKEOPTS="-j14"
PKGDIR="/usr/portage/packages"
PORTAGE_CONFIGROOT="/"
PORTAGE_RSYNC_OPTS="--recursive --links --safe-links --perms --times --compress --force --whole-file --delete --stats --timeout=180 --exclude=/distfiles --exclude=/local --exclude=/packages"
PORTAGE_TMPDIR="/var"
PORTDIR="/usr/portage"
SYNC="rsync://home.richgannon.info/gentoo-portage"
USE="X a52 aac acl aim alsa amarok berkdb bitmap-fonts bzip2 cairo cdr cli cracklib crypt cups cxx dbus dhcp divx dri dts dvd dvdr dvdread embedded esd fam ffmpeg firefox foomaticdb fortran gdbm gif glibc-omitfp glitz gmplayer gpm gtk gtk2 hal iconv java javascript jpeg kde lame lm_sensors logitech-mouse mad mmap mmx mmxext modules mp3 mpeg mplayer mudflap ncurses nls nptl nptlonly nvidia offensive openal opengl openmp pam pcre pdf perl png ppds pppd python qt3support qt4 quicktime rdp readline reflection samba sdl semantic-desktop session smp spl sse sse2 sse3 ssl svg symlink sysfs tcpd threads tiff truetype truetype-fonts type1-fonts unicode usb v4l vdpau vidix vnc win32codecs x264 x86 xine xinerama xorg xpm xv xvid zlib" ALSA_CARDS="hda-intel" ALSA_PCM_PLUGINS="adpcm alaw asym copy dmix dshare dsnoop empty extplug file hooks iec958 ioplug ladspa lfloat linear meter mmap_emul mulaw multi null plug rate route share shm softvol" APACHE2_MODULES="actions alias auth_basic authn_alias authn_anon authn_dbm authn_default authn_file authz_dbm authz_default authz_groupfile authz_host authz_owner authz_user autoindex cache dav dav_fs dav_lock deflate dir disk_cache env expires ext_filter file_cache filter headers include info log_config logio mem_cache mime mime_magic negotiation rewrite setenvif speling status unique_id userdir usertrack vhost_alias" ELIBC="glibc" INPUT_DEVICES="keyboard mouse" KERNEL="linux" LCD_DEVICES="bayrad cfontz cfontz633 glk hd44780 lb216 lcdm001 mtxorb ncurses text" LINGUAS="en en_US" RUBY_TARGETS="ruby18" USERLAND="GNU" VIDEO_CARDS="nvidia vesa" XTABLES_ADDONS="quota2 psd pknock lscan length2 ipv4options ipset ipp2p iface geoip fuzzy condition tee tarpit sysrq steal rawnat logmark ipmark dhcpmac delude chaos account"
Unset: CPPFLAGS, CTARGET, EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS, FFLAGS, INSTALL_MASK, LANG, LC_ALL, PORTAGE_COMPRESS, PORTAGE_COMPRESS_FLAGS, PORTAGE_RSYNC_EXTRA_OPTS, PORTDIR_OVERLAY

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 6:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

do you have dbus and hald active and use flags compiled in relevant stuff (kdm I think)?
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 6:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have them both installed. There doesn't seem to be a hal or hald flag used by anything in KDE4. hald and dbus are both running.

Code:
rich@area51 ~ $ equery list dbus
[ Searching for package 'dbus' in all categories among: ]
 * installed packages
[I--] [  ] dev-libs/dbus-glib-0.86 (0)
[I--] [  ] dev-python/dbus-python-0.83.0-r1 (0)
[I--] [  ] sys-apps/dbus-1.2.24 (0)
[I--] [  ] x11-libs/qt-dbus-4.6.2 (4)
[ Searching for package 'hal' in all categories among: ]
 * installed packages
[I--] [  ] app-misc/hal-info-20090716 (0)
[I--] [  ] kde-base/kephal-4.4.4 (4.4)
[I--] [  ] sys-apps/hal-0.5.14-r2 (0)
rich@area51 ~ $ emerge -vp hal

These are the packages that would be merged, in order:

Calculating dependencies... done!
[ebuild   R   ] sys-apps/hal-0.5.14-r2  USE="X crypt -acpi -apm -consolekit -debug -dell -disk-partition -doc -laptop -policykit (-selinux)" 926 kB

rich@area51 ~ $ emerge -vp kdm

These are the packages that would be merged, in order:

Calculating dependencies... done!
[ebuild   R   ] kde-base/kdm-4.4.4-r1  USE="handbook pam (-aqua) -consolekit -debug (-kdeenablefinal) (-kdeprefix) -kerberos" 75,231 kB

rich@area51 ~ $ rc-status
Runlevel: default
 consolekit                                                             [ started  ]
 cupsd                                                                  [ started  ]
 dbus                                                                   [ started  ]
 hald                                                                   [ started  ]
 hddtemp                                                                [ started  ]
 hdparm                                                                 [ started  ]
 local                                                                  [ started  ]
 net.eth0                                                               [ started  ]
 nfs                                                                    [ started  ]
 portmap                                                                [ started  ]
 rdate                                                                  [ started  ]
 rsyncd                                                                 [ started  ]
 sshd                                                                   [ started  ]
 udev-postmount                                                         [ started  ]
 wol                                                                    [ started  ]
 xdm                                                                    [ started  ]

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 7:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmm, I seem to remember xfce used one of those to allow a user to shut down, but I suppose it needed to since it doesn't have a component running as root to issue a shutdown otherwise.

I wonder if your user has to be added to some group to allow it, or if there's some kdm configuration you have to change? *shrug*
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 7:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's what I've been looking to find out. It worked without issue with KDE 4.3. Only with 4.4 did this problem start.

It's also weird that it will go to sleep just find since pm-suspend needs to be called by root, but it can't use the shutdown command.

Here's the groups that the user belongs to:
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 8:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You don't by chance have old kde components from 4.3 installed? Like maybe KDM is 4.3 but you're running KDE 4.4?
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 8:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's another thing I looked for. Nothing older than KDE 4.4 is installed, including KDM.

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rich@area51 ~ $ equery list | grep 4.3
app-text/docbook-xml-dtd-4.3-r1
dev-libs/gmp-4.3.2
dev-libs/soprano-2.4.3
media-libs/libpng-1.4.3
perl-core/MIME-Base64-3.08
sys-devel/gcc-4.4.3-r2
virtual/perl-MIME-Base64-3.08
x11-proto/trapproto-3.4.3


To be honest, KDE 4.4 seems pretty squirrelly over 4.3. Amarok crashes whenever I mouseover a button on it. Other KDE programs crash without errors like Konsole and the main tool bar even.

For the hell of trying everything, I'm in the process of an emerge -e world on my primary desktop. Hopefully that will fix whatever stability issues there are and this shutdown issue. I'll give an update later when it's complete. Only another 250 packages to go (out of 749) :D
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 8:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And now Kwin became completely unstable and kept crashing over and over on that desktop. Maybe caused by the rebuilding of everything. I don't see why it would though, since everything was rebuilt when GCC 4.4.3 went stable on x86 a few weeks ago and was up to date as of this morning.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 9:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If it still has problems once it's done rebuilding, I would try another emerge -e world (or maybe revdep-rebuild but it's possible it won't catch it), and if it still has problems then there must be something else going on besides gcc change induced weirdness.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 11:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Still working on qt and KDE ebuilds but I've found that it seems to be more stable with Composite disabled in the KDE settings for now. I have no idea why. Again, it all worked great in 4.3.

The emptytree did fail on nvidia-settings, mplayer, and sun-jdk for some reason. I had to skip them for now and will figure out what's causing them to fail afterwards.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 11:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nvidia-settings had some problems with include files recently - you can probably just ignore that for now unless you need it for something. I don't know what's going on with the other two though.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 1:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I set Portage to use the ~x86 nvidia-settings and that worked. Also compiling mplayer and sun-jdk worked after the full emptytree. revdep-rebuild had no broken links, either.

Everything seems more stable with Compositing active, BUT the initial problem of shutting down, restarting, and logging out from KDE are not functional.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 2:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmm... you could check the kdm log (as it's the last part of KDE that actually does those actions from what I can tell), beyond that maybe someone more familiar with this can chime in.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 2:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Where's the KDE log?

And I was quick to say it's all stable. KWin, Dolphin, and other KDE programs crash periodically, but seem to have no rhyme or reason.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 2:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Figured out the cause of the instabilities. After I try to logout or shutdown, etc. I go to the first virtual terminal and restart xdm. This causes KDE to not communicate properly with different sockets. So as long as I login only once between reboots, it's stable for the most part.

I found the error logs, too at .xsession-errors. When I go to logout, it says it got the signal to logout or whatever I told it to do and then does nothing. Just continues on as normal.

This problem is absolutely killing me, though, since it affects 3 separate systems.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 2:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bug filed.

https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=326393
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 3:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If it's happening on that many systems it just about has to be a bug, unless you're doing something strange or wrong consistently ;)
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 3:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not so sure if it's a bug or not. It's weird that it's happening to all of my systems, running different kernels, similar software, and went from KDE 4.3 running fine to 4.4 not able to properly logout, etc. I'm testing out on my main desktop some different USE flags (i.e. +acpi) to see if it makes a difference.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 4:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Changed profile to from default/linux/x86/10.0 to default/linux/x86/10.0/desktop/kde and changed to +acpi and +consolekit in make.conf and ran emerge -NDuva world. Again, no effect on the problem.

This is the only line in .xsession_errors that may be related.

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plasma-desktop(6813)/kdecore (KLibrary) kde4Factory: The library "/usr/lib/kde4/solid_hal_power.so" does not offer a qt_plugin_instance function.


I have been looking it up on Google and I'm not sure this is related to the issue, anyway.

Anyone else have any ideas?
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 03, 2010 5:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Smack a bug report on their face and make them realize that KDE is becoming worst with each release... just like windows.


Post SOOO many bugs that the devs continue fixing them until KDE 5 is released. :evil:
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 11:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've found a solution which works for me. Just don't run any KDE session and in pure console do:
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rm -f ~/.kde4/share/config/ksmserverrc


and then run KDE - you should be able to logout.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 07, 2010 9:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BlueFusion,

Could this be related to consolekit? I note you have it running, but compiled kdm without it. (This is purely a hunch, I speak with no authority!)

BlueFusion wrote:
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...
These are the packages that would be merged, in order:

Calculating dependencies... done!
[ebuild   R   ] sys-apps/hal-0.5.14-r2  USE="X crypt -acpi -apm -consolekit -debug -dell -disk-partition -doc -laptop -policykit (-selinux)" 926 kB

rich@area51 ~ $ emerge -vp kdm

These are the packages that would be merged, in order:

Calculating dependencies... done!
[ebuild   R   ] kde-base/kdm-4.4.4-r1  USE="handbook pam (-aqua) -consolekit -debug (-kdeenablefinal) (-kdeprefix) -kerberos" 75,231 kB
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 07, 2010 12:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

barca wrote:
I've found a solution which works for me. Just don't run any KDE session and in pure console do:
Code:
rm -f ~/.kde4/share/config/ksmserverrc


and then run KDE - you should be able to logout.


I don't know if it is like threating Plague by Cholera but it works fine for me too ;-) Thanks so much, I've been working on this issue for a couple of days now and I started to lose my faith ;-)
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 07, 2010 2:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

barca wrote:
I've found a solution which works for me. Just don't run any KDE session and in pure console do:
Code:
rm -f ~/.kde4/share/config/ksmserverrc


and then run KDE - you should be able to logout.


Nope, did not work for me. I figure that the whole starting from scratch thing would have fixed that anyway (moving/deleting the .kde4 directory).

Goverp wrote:
BlueFusion,

Could this be related to consolekit? I note you have it running, but compiled kdm without it. (This is purely a hunch, I speak with no authority!)


That's what I had thought about, too. When I did the --emptytree world, I changed the USE flags to +consolekit +acpi, and it made no difference. kdm, etc. was compiled with consolekit support.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 7:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I add this flag to /etc/make.conf and emerge kde-meta-4.4.4 and all commands work now !

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